Raw diet and bones? I was at the feed store yesturday and the pet food rep was there talking about the raw diet. I was convienved again to go back to feeding raw. I do believe it is best for them but I have a few other breed of dogs besides yorkies and it get expensive to feed all raw so it was recommended to suppliment with raw bones like chicken necks, wings or backs. Has anyone ever did this and what are your thoughts? She told me that because they are raw they don't spinter and they are soft enough for them to chew and they will digest in their stomachs because the acid they produce is so much stronger then our and in the wild that is what they have done. She says it also keeps teeth clean and they will never require a dental. Again thoughts? |
I have 3 Yorkies that eat raw everyday. I go thru a little more then 15 lbs of raw meat a day for the 3 of them....everyday. You can give them any bone as long as it's raw. so giving them a whole chicken with bones and all is an i love you forever in my home! They always have raw bones hiding around in their beds til they want to eat them. my dogs sometimes like to let their meat rot then eat it. freezer burnt meat is also ok to give. Their stomach acid will digest it with no problems. i have a whole big freezer stocked with raw meat. everything from chicken, pork, and beef to duck, deer, rabbits, squirrels and whatever else the dogs like to hunt and kill in the backyard. hunting has its advantages :-) i've have been feeding my 3 yorkies raw for over a year now. i've noticed that it keeps their coat nicer. they also go potty less since meat contains water and kibble is dry (making them thirstier) and the poo is less smelly and i never have to worry about picking up after them since the poop is gone after a few days since is all nutrients and breaks down quickly. I always have kibble laying around for them also as they do sometimes get tired of eating raw. |
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i usually add bee pollen to their water to give them the rest of the nutrients they need. it works really well. sometimes salmon oil when i havent given them fish for awhile. They also have access to kibble all day. nature's variety instinct and before grain. |
1 Attachment(s) here's a pic of my 4 lb little rosie eating a whole chicken. it was gone in about an hour or 2 tops :-) |
I have been looking on line and have come up with a few sites that have actually said raw bones can actually be bad. They claim that litttle pieces that don't get digested lodge in the intensines and puncture causing the dogs to require major surgery. Have you heard about this? |
I have read that also. But have never had that problem as my dogs chew up their bones and dont swallow big pieces of bones. they actually grind up the bones with their teeth creating a mess of white aint sized pieces. i find no danger in raw bones as they are softer and dont splinter then cooked bones. cooked bones are i find dangerous since dogs cant digest them like raw bones and tend to swallow bigger chunks. |
I am confused! What do you mean by feeding raw and then supplementing with bones? We feed prey model raw and bones are a very important part of our diet. Prey model raw feeders follow a basic guideline -- 80% muscle meat, 10% bone, and 10% secreting organ with 5% of this being liver. When these guidelines are followed, the raw diet is completely balanced! There is no need for supplementation. Also, there are two types of bones, digestible bones such as chicken wings or back/necks, and then there are dense, weight-bearing bones such as femur bones that are considered "recreational" or "wreck" bones. These bones can be detrimental to larger dogs because they are extremely hard and can cause tooth damage to any dog that tries to literally eat them. However, with smaller dogs I tend to feel they are safe because small dogs lack the ability to even "try" to eat them. Any chewing they do would be more like scraping the bone. There are many YT members who give these. Everything you were told is correct -- dogs have enzymes called lysozymes which kill bacteria. They also have shorter digestive tracts and a higher concentration of stomach acid which aid in killing bacteria and preventing it from colonizing within the body. Dogs are genetically engineered to eat raw meat! Research shows their genetic makeup is essentially still the same as a wolf. Their dentition suggests that their mouth and jaws are meant for ripping and tearing at meat and bones. They do not have the flat molars that we do for grinding and chewing. They also lack amylase, a salivary enzyme which breaks down the cell wall of plant matter. This suggests that they are carnivores and thrive on meat. Please let me know if you have any other questions! We have been raw feeding for a couple of months now and I've spent hours reading and researching. I can help direct you in the right direction! vtran, I am suprised that you go through 15lbs of raw meat a day. The guidelines state suggest that the daily portion of food should 3%-4% of the total body weight. For example, Franklin is 11lbs and requires roughly 4oz. of food a day. This is only one pound every four days. |
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i leave raw meat and bone out for my dogs all day everyday. they eat about their own weight in it everyday if not more. i would never portion food out to my dogs. i would rather have then eat til they're full and happy :-). my pups eat alot because they are extremely active running and playing in an outside all day. only time i see them laying around is at night is when they go to bed. 2 of my yorkies are also still growing. Raw feed dogs tend to grow slower and take longer. im glad you was able to explain everything better then i did! i thought i was going to be the only trying to explain it :-) |
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I'm glad you felt my explanation was satisfactory. I try to tell people about raw without PREACHING to them about raw, ya know? ;) Out of curiosity, is Vietnamese your native language? I noticed your username was vtran08.. I'm Vietnamese! |
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Dogs generally need 2-4% of their body weight. More active dogs require more and less active dogs require less. I find that Franklin and Maggie do better closer to 4-4.5%. You can weigh everything at first but once you get the hang of it, you can judge by how they look/feel. For example, Franklin is 11lbs and need around 4oz. of food a day. I think for puppies you use their expected adult weight -- I'm not sure, but I'll check on it later tonight. For the diet to be balanced you'll need to give 80% meat, 10% bone, 10% secreting organ, and 5% liver. However, I would hold off on the organ for a couple of weeks. Feed one protein (chicken) and let your dog get used to the raw. After the initial adjustment period you can introduce new proteins and organs. Raw feeders aim for 50% of the diet to be red meat. This is important for the dogs as white meat such as chicken or turkey is very lean. When giving bone, ALWAYS give large pieces. This way the dog learns to tear and rip at the meat and there is no risk of them gulping and choking. Start off with something like a chicken wing or drumstick. Then you can add in thighs or backs or breast or whatever you want. The bone content will also help with any stomach upset there might be. Sorry this is so long... I tried to briefly introduce you to raw. Let me know if you have any specific questions. I know it can be overwhelming at first! |
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Great post!!! I have been feeding my yorkie prey model raw for a few months now and I am very happy with the result. |
Ok I need some help. I just started feeding mine raw. We bought the patties of turkey and beef from Legacy here in Alberta, Canada. The holistic pet store we got from from told me that the company triple grinds all the meat/bones and we should not barely see any bone fragments. I looked on thier site and they said if we are feeding beef or buffalo we should supplement one meal with poultry. Mystique has been vomiting it up..so I finally took one quarter of one patty and went through it today. I am posting link to the amount and size of bones I found in that single serving size. I think there is too much and too big of pieces. Would someone look and tell me what you think please. I emailed them to the store where I got it and so far no response. Thanks! (ps if you click on each pic twice it will view larger) |
Re: my previous post Thankyou to Wiley's mom for removing my messed up link for me ♥ I will try to post a pic or two in my album of the bones. I can't seem to figure out how to do do a link today. |
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That being said, I would be VERY comfortable feeding a cornish hen in parts or even a chicken wing to a small dog. The dog can crunch the bones up with no problem. I would be concerned with a dog just swallowing the bone fragments in the patties. Also, that amount of bone is going to be over 10% most likely and that's too much bone. Too much bone can cause blockages in severe cases and constipation in most cases. The optimum raw diet is MOSTLY meat, a little bit of bone and just a tiny bit of organs. I think the pre-made supplier you are using is cutting corners by adding a lot of bone to bulk up their product. I think you'd be better off buying a cornish hen at the grocery store and whacking it up into pieces and feeding that instead. Maybe feed some meat only meals in between bone-in meals to keep the ratio at 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organs. |
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What other types of beef Hi. I'm glad I found this group! We have a 9 week Yorkie puppy (girl) who I would like to start on the RAW diet. I think I've read the posts correctly to start with chicken legs /wings. I also saw where it was recommended to feed 50% red meat. Forgive my ignorance as I'm not a big meat eater, but when you go to the meat section, what would you look for? Do you buy bone in red meat or just do the chicken with bone? Thanks for any sample diets you can offer as well as specific types of red meat. Also, does anyone feed their Yorkie's raw egg? I've read that those could cause stomach upset? Any past experiences there? Thank you very much for taking the time to read this post. Rhonda Kester |
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I give Franklin and Maggie a raw egg every couple of weeks. I know it is very good for them. We've never had any problem with stomach upset here! Here is a sample of what the dogs might get in a week. We vary quite a bit according to what I have in the freezer and/or defrosted. They always get a ground or boneless meal in the mornings. This is because I usually do not have time to supervise a bone meal. This is what they'd get for dinner: Monday: Chicken gizzards Tuesday: Pork ribs, organ Wednesday: Chicken hearts Thursday: Chicken drumstick, organ Friday: Beef heart Saturday: Chicken heart Sunday: Pork ribs They also get the occasional canned tuna, salmon, or jack mackerel because we don't feed raw fish yet. |
Thank you! That schedule looks easy enough for even me to follow! Thanks for submitting it as it clears up a lot of questions I had about which meats to purchase. For a puppy I'm reading to fee 3x per day and other places 4x per day. Any thoughts on this? It looks like the meals will not be large ones- maybe 1 ounce at each? Thanks again! Rhonda Kester |
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I was doing raw for a little while and was liking the results but my concerns began to grow with clean up? Feeding a big piece of raw meat where do you put it? on a plate for them. Few times I have had Lola try to run off with it. I don't want her dragging raw meat around. after they eat do you clean them up as well and if so what is the best idea for clean ups? |
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I forgot to mention, a lot of raw feeders use chicken feet -- this would probably be the perfect RMB for a smaller Yorkie! Also, small cornish hens cut up into pieces is great. If you have any ethnic grocery stores locally, they typically have a great selection of meat! |
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can you recommend a brand - for raw? I am very interested in the raw food idea. |
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I am interested in trying raw! I heard the meat has to be purchased from certified dealers but by the sounds of this post many are using regular grocery store meat. Is grocery store meat okay? Does it require much preparation? Any opinions and info will help me. :) |
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