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yorkiepuppie 01-22-2010 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2967752)
Defensive? What are you saying?

All I was saying is that nothing seems safe anymore. Sad state of affairs.
i was just picking on you for being so careful with what you say. :p

ladyjane 01-22-2010 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 2967761)
i was just picking on you for being so careful with what you say. :p
When you pick on me, try to find a label that fits. That one made no sense if you understand the meaning of it. :rolleyes:

yorkiepuppie 01-22-2010 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2967771)
When you pick on me, try to find a label that fits. That one made no sense if you understand the meaning of it. :rolleyes:
sorry, i guess i have failed trying to be funny again. (i pretty much do that on a daily basis...)

i thought practice makes perfect, so how come i am still not funny! :eek:

Ellie May 01-22-2010 03:10 PM
Yes, I would be very frustrated if I still fed dog food. It seems like there is something wrong with every brand. At the same time, homecooking is really just not for everyone. I certainly wish I didn't have to do it at times. But we do what we have to do I guess... While I do agree that there are no guarantees with cooking because even human food is questionable, I still personally think the ingredients are quite a bit better than dog food.

About organic foods though, I'm not so sure they are any safer. While water is a chemical, we need it to live. Arsenic is natural (organic)... That really doesn't mean it is a good thing... I believe some chickens are given arsenic for weight gain or something. So they were fed something natural, but that doesn't mean it's okay...

ladyjane 01-22-2010 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 2967777)
sorry, i guess i have failed trying to be funny again. (i pretty much do that on a daily basis...)

i thought practice makes perfect, so how come i am still not funny! :eek:
Guess I missed your little joke. Go to dictionary.com and look up the word defensive and then tell me how that was funny.
Maybe you are funny...I honestly don't know you. Perhaps you could expound on the humor you intended? That might help me to get my little chuckle of the day. Might also make you funny.

yorkiepuppie 01-22-2010 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2967779)
Yes, I would be very frustrated if I still fed dog food. It seems like there is something wrong with every brand. At the same time, homecooking is really just not for everyone. I certainly wish I didn't have to do it at times. But we do what we have to do I guess... While I do agree that there are no guarantees with cooking because even human food is questionable, I still personally think the ingredients are quite a bit better than dog food.

About organic foods though, I'm not so sure they are any safer. While water is a chemical, we need it to live. Arsenic is natural (organic)... That really doesn't mean it is a good thing... I believe some chickens are given arsenic for weight gain or something. So they were fed something natural, but that doesn't mean it's okay...
arsenic is still used in chicken even if it's organic certified? :(
this is the brand i found that's organic, can you take a look and let me know what you think of it? PAW NATURAW distinct by instinct ®* |* Organic, Raw, Frozen Dog Food and Cat Food, Organic Raw Diets for Pets

thanks so much! :)

ladyjane 01-22-2010 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2967779)
Yes, I would be very frustrated if I still fed dog food. It seems like there is something wrong with every brand. At the same time, homecooking is really just not for everyone. I certainly wish I didn't have to do it at times. But we do what we have to do I guess... While I do agree that there are no guarantees with cooking because even human food is questionable, I still personally think the ingredients are quite a bit better than dog food.

About organic foods though, I'm not so sure they are any safer. While water is a chemical, we need it to live. Arsenic is natural (organic)... That really doesn't mean it is a good thing... I believe some chickens are given arsenic for weight gain or something. So they were fed something natural, but that doesn't mean it's okay...
:thumbup: I absolutely agree!

MaddiesMommie 01-22-2010 03:16 PM
I feel your pain. Just when I think I have found "quality" food, I find it on some "list".:rolleyes:
I would LOVE to be able to home cook. It is just not for me right now.

ladyjane 01-22-2010 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MaddiesMommie (Post 2967792)
I feel your pain. Just when I think I have found "quality" food, I find it on some "list".:rolleyes:
I would LOVE to be able to home cook. It is just not for me right now.
I have cooked for pups that needed special diets. I have never started for all of mine and really admire people who do it. It is a lot of work!

yorkiepuppie 01-22-2010 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2967786)
Guess I missed your little joke. Go to dictionary.com and look up the word defensive and then tell me how that was funny.
Maybe you are funny...I honestly don't know you. Perhaps you could expound on the humor you intended? That might help me to get my little chuckle of the day. Might also make you funny.
nah, i am not that funny, but if you get to know me, then you will learn to tolerate(?)/get used to(?) my unfunny jokes. ;)

...if i try to expound on a joke that wasn't funny in the first place, then it might be disastrous. i think i have reached my maximum allowed un-funniness for the day.

ladyjane 01-22-2010 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 2967813)
nah, i am not that funny, but if you get to know me, then you will learn to tolerate(?)/get used to(?) my unfunny jokes. ;)

...if i try to expound on a joke that wasn't funny in the first place, then it might be disastrous. i think i have reached my maximum allowed un-funniness for the day.
I see.

Ellie May 01-22-2010 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 2967787)
arsenic is still used in chicken even if it's organic certified? :(
this is the brand i found that's organic, can you take a look and let me know what you think of it? PAW NATURAW distinct by instinct ®* |* Organic, Raw, Frozen Dog Food and Cat Food, Organic Raw Diets for Pets

thanks so much! :)
I really can't see. It seems that it has been done in the past though. It's just that organic doesn't always mean healthy...

I looked at the chicken formula on that site. The fat content is 26%. That may be fine, but it is just something I personally wouldn't be comfortable with.

yorkiepuppie 01-22-2010 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2967983)
I really can't see. It seems that it has been done in the past though. It's just that organic doesn't always mean healthy...

I looked at the chicken formula on that site. The fat content is 26%. That may be fine, but it is just something I personally wouldn't be comfortable with.
thank you for the feedback. :) so you think the fat content is too high? what should the ideal fat content be?

besides time consuming, what are some drawbacks to home cooking?

i know that you need to make sure you give them a balanced nutrition when home cooking. but besides that, are there drawbacks to feeding them home cooked foods?

one thing i have heard is that it's worse for their teeth if you don't brush their teeth everyday when you feed home cooked meals.

Ellie May 01-22-2010 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 2967983)
I really can't see. It seems that it has been done in the past though. It's just that organic doesn't always mean healthy...

I looked at the chicken formula on that site. The fat content is 26%. That may be fine, but it is just something I personally wouldn't be comfortable with.
Edit to read "say", not "see."

Ellie May 01-22-2010 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiepuppie (Post 2967995)
thank you for the feedback. :) so you think the fat content is too high? what should the ideal fat content be?

besides time consuming, what are some drawbacks to home cooking?

i know that you need to make sure you give them a balanced nutrition when home cooking. but besides that, are there drawbacks to feeding them home cooked foods?

one thing i have heard is that it's worse for their teeth if you don't brush their teeth everyday when you feed home cooked meals.
Generally anything 18% and under is considered lower fat. Then there is moderate fat which 26% may fall under. Nutritionists and vets may tell you that it is perfectly fine, and that is very possible. It is JMO that maybe a lower fat food could be better. The major concern to me is pancreatitis.

Homecooking, INO, is quite expensive (but maybe about what raw costs...not sure). I's hard to travel with, you need extra freezer space, etc.

There is an endless debate about wet food being worse for teeth than kibble. I will say the source I trust on this says it's a myth. At the same time, I have read where people have fed wet food and had an issue with teeth. Sooooo, I guess it's all in how you look at it... Ellie ate mostly kibble for her first five years and had horrible teeth. Now on homecooked they get brushed and they are much better. I say whatever they eat, brush them and use OraVet. :)


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