My Yorkie Has No Teeth

[cj125]

[QUOTE=Ladymom;2875355]I'd like to see the documentation you base this statement on. Many toys dogs are genetically predisposed to dental problems like gingivitis and tartar just as humans are. As our dogs age, most require regular dental cleanings.[/QUOTE]

totally agree with you Marj!

[RachelandSadie]

i'm just going to say that there are many sources you can look at that mention raw diets as giving better overall health and specifically teeth. there are many who see results in better teeth with no/less tarter without dentals and brushings.

i have listed some in the previous post if you are interested in reading them.

raw diet is a CHOICE, with much research and seeing the results from my aunt's experience, I CHOSE to put my dog on it and love the results i'm getting as well. I never said anyone had to Choose this diet over commercial pet food. I personally believe there are many benefits and a lot of other dog/yorkie owners agree. If you do not agree then do not feed your dog raw food. it's as simple as that! if you would like to try it or are interested i'm offering the recipe, just PM me. If you aren't interested there is really no need to say so, just don't ask for the recipe and i won't send it.

I'm not trying to force anything on anyone, i'm simply relaying that with first hand experience and many others who have had the same results that i believe raw diets to be better for teeth and keep them cleaner without brushing or dental cleaning. saves a lot of money in the long run to not have to have cleanings done!!

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

i'm just going to say that there are many sources you can look at that mention raw diets as giving better overall health and specifically teeth. there are many who see results in better teeth with no/less tarter without dentals and brushings.

i have listed some in the previous post if you are interested in reading them.

raw diet is a CHOICE, with much research and seeing the results from my aunt's experience, I CHOSE to put my dog on it and love the results i'm getting as well. I never said anyone had to Choose this diet over commercial pet food. I personally believe there are many benefits and a lot of other dog/yorkie owners agree. If you do not agree then do not feed your dog raw food. it's as simple as that! if you would like to try it or are interested i'm offering the recipe, just PM me. If you aren't interested there is really no need to say so, just don't ask for the recipe and i won't send it.

I'm not trying to force anything on anyone, i'm simply relaying that with first hand experience and many others who have had the same results that i believe raw diets to be better for teeth and keep them cleaner without brushing or dental cleaning. saves a lot of money in the long run to not have to have cleanings done!!

Since Sadie is just a puppy, it would be impossible to base your statement on "firsthand results".

While many Yorkie owners choose to feed a raw diet, it is misleading to suggest that a dog on one will not need dental cleanings.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Since Sadie is just a puppy, it would be impossible to base your statement on "firsthand results".

While many Yorkie owners choose to feed a raw diet, it is misleading to suggest that a dog on one will not need dental cleanings.

first hand results from my aunt's dog who is TWO YEARS old and has never needed a cleaning and has NO tarter and never had her teeth brushed...it's not firsthand from me, it's from my aunt...if you want to ask her about it you certainly can...she'll tell you from her own experience her addy is Karrie

as far as the other articles, there is plenty more out there that say the exact same thing as I just did.

i think you have decided that today is another great day to argue over silly matters. i don't feel like arguing, i've made my point about the benefits of raw and like i said, you don't have to do it, so if you don't like it, then don't do it okay???

[JPop & Taz 2]

I requested the raw diet recipe from Rachel and bought all of the ingredients and supplements. Then I went over it with my vet. He said "absolutely not!" I was disappointed because of all the good things Rachel had said about it, but, I live in a fairly rural area and he IS my vet. I feel that I should listen to him. His reasoning was the chance of bacteria being present in the raw meat. So, we're still eating Chicken Soup, getting dentals, and working on brushing. Just my 2 cents.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

first hand results from my aunt's dog who is TWO YEARS old and has never needed a cleaning and has NO tarter and never had her teeth brushed...it's not firsthand from me, it's from my aunt...if you want to ask her about it you certainly can...she'll tell you from her own experience her addy is Karrie

as far as the other articles, there is plenty more out there that say the exact same thing as I just did.

i think you have decided that today is another great day to argue over silly matters. i don't feel like arguing, i've made my point about the benefits of raw and like i said, you don't have to do it, so if you don't like it, then don't do it okay???

Two yrs old isnt really that old as far as getting a dental. Mine are going on 5 eat canned food everyday and still havent needed a dental. Plus I think some yorkies are more prone to teeth problems than others

[Brooklynn]

I have found usually at least in my yorkies and I feed commercial kibble dog food that my yorkies teeth are typically tarter free until they mature and that is over the age of 2 years old. I have some that have more of a tarter problem than some of my others. I've tried RAW and I have found it's not for my dogs as they dont' like it AND some have digestive problems when I switch their food so I won't fix something that isn't broke. My yorkies after the age of 2 have yearly dental cleanings. Anyway that is my take and my experience

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by JPop & Taz 2

I requested the raw diet recipe from Rachel and bought all of the ingredients and supplements. Then I went over it with my vet. He said "absolutely not!" I was disappointed because of all the good things Rachel had said about it, but, I live in a fairly rural area and he IS my vet. I feel that I should listen to him. His reasoning was the chance of bacteria being present in the raw meat. So, we're still eating Chicken Soup, getting dentals, and working on brushing. Just my 2 cents.

bacteria in raw meats, i've heard that one before from guess who...my own vet! they all say that, but what do you think your dog would be eating if it got loose in the wild? would it eat nicely baked kibble, or kill an animal to survive and cook it over a fire pit...NO they eat raw food naturally, so what makes a vet think that they would get some kind of bacteria from it. dogs stomachs are NOT the same as human ones, just because we get sick from raw meat doesn't mean that a dog will be the same way.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

Rawfood Diet for Dogs and Cats: recipes ideas

http://photos.imageevent.com/3bear/p...RAWfeeding.doc

Pet Home Magazine - Pet Nutrition - Raw Diets

Raw Food Diet for Dogs

I didn't mean to come off as harsh, I do not believe you can take antidotal evidence and pass it off as fact. You can say what you or a friend experienced, but to suggest that this means that other dogs will not need any dental care is not careful enough. From what I've read in the forum, many people say raw is very good for the teeth, but from what I gather, there are all types of raw. A dog tearing meat off a chicken leg is much different than eating raw ground hamburger with no bones, also the amount of time food would stay on the surface of the teeth is much different. Furthermore, the actual gnawing the meat from the bone would help to keep tartar off. We are not producing anything "natural" when we give a diet of ground hamburger, cooked rice, etc, not to say that this isn't healthy, but it's not something dogs would find in the wild, and the ingredients might be much more likely to stick to the teeth.

From what I've read on the forum, and again this would be antidotal, so it's not "fact", many people seem to think that homemade/canned is the worst on teeth, while kibble is in the middle, and raw is the best, but some raw diets contain such things as cooked rice, which is no different than homemade diet. The pure raw diet may be the best, but to suggest that people should not brush teeth or have periodic teeth cleanings would be irresponsible. I looked at your links, and I didn't see anything to suggest that dogs don't need to have their teeth cleaned if they eat raw.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

I didn't mean to come off as harsh, I do not believe you can take antidotal evidence and pass it off as fact. You can say what you or a friend experienced, but to suggest that this means that other dogs will not need any dental care is not careful enough. From what I've read in the forum, many people say raw is very good for the teeth, but from what I gather, there are all types of raw. A dog tearing meat off a chicken leg is much different than eating raw ground hamburger with no bones, also the amount of time food would stay on the surface of the teeth is much different. Furthermore, the actual gnawing the meat from the bone would help to keep tartar off. We are not producing anything "natural" when we give a diet of ground hamburger, cooked rice, etc, not to say that this isn't healthy, but it's not something dogs would find in the wild, and the ingredients might be much more likely to stick to the teeth.

From what I've read on the forum, and again this would be antidotal, so it's not "fact", many people seem to think that homemade/canned is the worst on teeth, while kibble is in the middle, and raw is the best, but some raw diets contain such things as cooked rice, which is no different than homemade diet. The pure raw diet may be the best, but to suggest that people should not brush teeth or have periodic teeth cleanings would be irresponsible. I looked at your links, and I didn't see anything to suggest that dogs don't need to have their teeth cleaned if they eat raw.

you are correct, i reread my statement and i did make it sound like you never will need a cleaning or brushing...

correcting my mistatement: I believe that feeding raw will help their teeth and give them LESS tarter problems and LESS of a need for regular cleanings and I personally do not brush teeth. Not all dogs are the same, so what works for me might not work for you. Raw is said to be better for teeth, but i didn't mean to make it sound like there would be NO issues, because there might be.

thanks Nancy for clarifying.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

bacteria in raw meats, i've heard that one before from guess who...my own vet! they all say that, but what do you think your dog would be eating if it got loose in the wild? would it eat nicely baked kibble, or kill an animal to survive and cook it over a fire pit...NO they eat raw food naturally, so what makes a vet think that they would get some kind of bacteria from it. dogs stomachs are NOT the same as human ones, just because we get sick from raw meat doesn't mean that a dog will be the same way.

While I agree with you that if they were in the wild they would be eating raw meat but they are domesticated now and the environment is different and domesticated animals have adapted to their environment and they are not wild any longer. In the wild they have no control on what they eat so of course naturally they would have to eat raw meat, grass or leaves ect...just so they wouldn't starve, it's called survival. Now that's not the case I'm just not a fan of feeding raw and the dangers of contamination (not sure how to spell that).

JMHO

Donna

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

While I agree with you that if they were in the wild they would be eating raw meat but they are domesticated now and the environment is different and domesticated animals have adapted to their environment and they are not wild any longer. In the wild they have no control on what they eat so of course naturally they would have to eat raw meat, grass or leaves ect...just so they wouldn't starve, it's called survival. Now that's not the case I'm just not a fan of feeding raw and the dangers of contamination (not sure how to spell that).

JMHO

Donna

I guess my opinion on that would be that even though they are domesticated, even a domestic cat/dog will eat meat from their own kills if they are lost in the wild or allowed to, Sadie the other day ate a cricket. and i know of many yorkies who catch and eat mice before their owners can take it away. it's natural instinct even though WE have made them domestic to eat the meat fresh from a kill. despite adaptations to our lifestyles, dogs and cats are still much closer in body to their canine and feline ancestors than they are to us domestic humans...thus i personally see more benefit from raw foods that try their best to mock their natural feedings than commercial packaged rotten grain and meats that were not good enough for human consumption. (which i've found that a lot of dog foods are made from)

anyways, the whole dog food recall is what started us onto raw home made diets because i don't want to kill my dog on commercial foods and i know that they almost killed my dad's dog Ruger, she was having either kidney or renal failure from commercial foods and almost died and luckily he switched her and saved her life for a few more years....

anyways, like i said i see the benefits outweighing any negative and just because a vet says there is bacteria in meats that make a dog sick doesn't mean i believe it, i still think their systems are very different than human ones and no matter how domestic a dog gets, they still don't know how to make a fire and cook their food so they still should be eating as close to raw natural as can be.

[Brooklynn]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

I guess my opinion on that would be that even though they are domesticated, even a domestic cat/dog will eat meat from their own kills if they are lost in the wild or allowed to, Sadie the other day ate a cricket. and i know of many yorkies who catch and eat mice before their owners can take it away. it's natural instinct even though WE have made them domestic to eat the meat fresh from a kill. despite adaptations to our lifestyles, dogs and cats are still much closer in body to their canine and feline ancestors than they are to us domestic humans...thus i personally see more benefit from raw foods that try their best to mock their natural feedings than commercial packaged rotten grain and meats that were not good enough for human consumption. (which i've found that a lot of dog foods are made from)

anyways, the whole dog food recall is what started us onto raw home made diets because i don't want to kill my dog on commercial foods and i know that they almost killed my dad's dog Ruger, she was having either kidney or renal failure from commercial foods and almost died and luckily he switched her and saved her life for a few more years....

anyways, like i said i see the benefits outweighing any negative and just because a vet says there is bacteria in meats that make a dog sick doesn't mean i believe it, i still think their systems are very different than human ones and no matter how domestic a dog gets, they still don't know how to make a fire and cook their food so they still should be eating as close to raw natural as can be.

Don't get me wrong, it's up to each individual as to what they feed their dogs whether it be RAW or with commercial kibble. I have found that in dogs as with people some just can't eat RAW and some just can't eat kibble so we make the best choices for our dogs. I just happen to feed kibble and prefer it over RAW just my preference

Donna

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Brooklynn

Don't get me wrong, it's up to each individual as to what they feed their dogs whether it be RAW or with commercial kibble. I have found that in dogs as with people some just can't eat RAW and some just can't eat kibble so we make the best choices for our dogs. I just happen to feed kibble and prefer it over RAW just my preference

Donna

I can totally agree with that statement!! It's a choice we all must make and no two dogs are exactly the same!!

[Blessed]

Awww... I pray you're little girl adjusts to her lack of teeth quickly. My darling Maltese has inherited her bad teeth and gums from her mother, sadly she's had more taken out than she has left in her mouth. They do adjust quite well, the gums actually harden and they are able to eat pretty much like they used to. As for the hanging tongue on just the one side, it's just the side she likes it to go, it could be the side she used to chew on (we have fav sides we eat on, so do they...lol) and it's a habit or more comfy. I'm sure you're vet has shared what you should be feeding her in the meantime while she heals, during that time I felt so horrible that I would feed her special snacks made special for her....lol Today Shy'la eats anything and everything and in her book the more the merrier...lol Her last visit the Dr had to take out her lower left canine and yep, her tongue hangs out... I just laugh these days as I do know it wasn't ALL my fault she lost her teeth, but I wouldn't trade her for the world. Keep us up to date on how your baby is doing!