I must say that looks like typical damage control from a company when trying to skirt an issue.....The pet food manufactures on the safe list appeared to have no problem having their fish meal supplier apply for the Special Permit that allows them to use an alternative preservative other than ethoxyquin. So to claim it is the law that they have to use it is a half truth.....

The author of these articles has an 8 yr. old dog with bone cancer, the vet and the author firmly believe it was brought on by eating pet food with ethoxyquin. So to say you can consume a "safe" level of a toxic substance is ridiculous. What Chicken Soup reps fail to mention is the fact that a pet is exposed to ethoxyquin on a daily basis, not from a one time event. Therefore the exposure of their "safe" level now becomes a question of a cumulative level....

If you look at the list of foods using ethoyquin most are manufactured by the Diamond Pet Food Co. and all of them claim they do use ethoxyqion. In 2008 Diamond was also responsible for the many deaths of pets from using melamine ....

I wouldn't trust any foods made by the Diamond company, they can't be trusted. There are far to many companies out there that make good quality foods and have a better track record for safety....Why risk it.....

:thumbup: exactly......;)

what are the better foods ? I'm not sure about fish meal is that bad for dogs? can you help me with that

I started a new thread with the foods in a "safe: list and an "unsafe" list.....Try checking the one there....:)

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...r-threads.html


There are some pet foods companies that did not get back to the author, I'm hoping they do because there are a couple on there I want to try....

enlighten - it's not the "fish meal" that's bad for our pets - it's HOW that fish meal was preserved.:)

I began feeding Zoe Nature's Variety raw medallions. I want Kramer (my JRT) to switch to that also - but he so far just doesn't like them. So I have him on the NV Instinct which he does like. Prior to getting Zoe - Kramer was on Canidae - which I only found out contained ethoxyquin because of the wonderful thread that was posted here on YT. I was absolutely SHOCKED as I had *thought* I had done my research and come up with a good choice. Then I found out from the thread that companies doen't have to list ethoxyquin if they didn't add it. To me that is shameful, sneaky and completely unethical. I actually told the owner of the store where I purchase my pet foods about it - and he, too, was shocked.

I wanted to try the chicken soup, because it helped a lot with your dogs coat. but I not willing to kill her at the same time . Sophie coat is not long none does it have the glow as alot of yorkies that I see. do you know what I can do for her coat?

I have Izzy on The Honest Kitchen along with steamed Tilapia. Cosmo is on the Nature's Variety medallions and Prairie.

I'll tell you besides good food to get a wonderful and shiny coat is to use BioGroom's Mink Oil spray and then I also get The Honest Kitchen's Sparkle which is great for their coats and all natural. I have to be careful in what I get as Izzy has pancreatitis/SIBO/IBD.

I don't blame you for not wanting to use Chicken Soup if it contains a chemical that can turn out to give your dog cancer......The one good thing you can add to Sophie's diet that is good for many things including skin and coat is fish oils....But with everything else out there there are good ones and not so good ones....A lot of fish oils don't contain any Vit. E which should be added at the same time as the fish oil. Some supplements don't actually contain the amount of fish oil they claimed on the bottle and some contain inferior oils......

This is a good one to try......:)

Ark Naturals Royal Coat EFA Express -- 8 fl oz - Vitacost

How about Halo?

Is this for humans or for animals?
Thank you for your help I love T.Y.

It's for pets....Not that it's couldn't be for humans...:)

This is already in another posted in another thread but I thought I'd add it here too......:)


This is a response that Kimberly, a Y.T. member, received back concerning Nature's Variety pet food and their use of ethoxyquin. This food was not on any of the lists I provided but appears to be safe......I noticed the Nature's Variety rep stated ethoxyquin is not destroyed during the manufacturing process like some companies are trying to claim....Thank you Kimberly..


Thanks for emailing! There are no preservatives. There are some rumors floating around about fish meal and ethoxyquin preservation. First, ethoxyquin cannot be destroyed by manufacturing conditions and any manufacturer who makes this claim is incorrect.

Secondly, most rumors of ethoxyquin and fish meal preservation are from unsubstantiated websites (Dog Foods - Or What In The World Should I Buy? for example). The websites mentions the Code of Federal Regulations, and if you read the actual code carefully, it simply implies that fishmeal/fish scrap on a shipping vessel entering US waters/ports needs to be heavily preserved with an antioxidant, the recommendation being ethoxyquin.

This applies only to fish meal that is shipped; Nature's Variety fish meal is not shipped. Our fish is frozen at sea to prevent degradation and immediately processed into a fish meal once it reaches the manufacturing facility. We have a special contract to ensure our fish meals are naturally preserved.

Third, federal law requires all preservatives to be disclosed on the ingredient panel. We are a transparent, honest, and trustworthy company and comply with all state and federal laws. We test our products for synthetic preservatives to confirm that our suppliers are selling us high quality ingredients meeting our strict specs.

Sincerely,
Customer Service
Nature's Variety
Nature's Variety

can you use human fish oil and vitamin E?

I agree :thumbup::thumbup:
As soon as I know it is a Diamond product I do not consider it as a choice.

Chicken Soup, TOTW, ...are Diamond products.
Someone here just got a big free box of Diamond products and they were in there.

I do not see a post about Wellness products...
Do they use Ethoxyquin?

Wellness uses ethoxyquin-free protein sources.

According to Dog Food Analysis - Reviews of kibble

This must be a generic email generated to all questions about this preservative and thier food? I received the exact same email when emailed to ask about TOTW, word for word, even the sender. Hmmm.

Thank you
 

I also wanted to say thank you jp4m2 for this thread. Very interesting. Glad to see California Natural is safe. :thumbup:

Your welcome!.....But I have to say.....Thank you!!!!.... to Susan Thixton for starting the work, without her we would have had no clue.....

Thanks again for all this wonderful information. I learned and was shocked about Solid Gold but so glad I had changed to Wellness that worked so well for her.

I was too!...I use this for my cats and I thought I was paying for a premium food......I did e-mail Solid Gold last week and have heard nothing....I don't need to hear from them anymore. I already have my answer.......I guess this goes to show me.... Don't believe everything you think!........;)

Yes, a big thank you from me as well! Addie is luckily already on a non-ethoxyquin food (Orijen), but I'm so thankful to get any information I can. Plus, I know now to watch out in case I ever do decide to switch brands.

I know what you mean!.....I was looking for a pet food the other day and i couldn't pick one because I was afraid I'd pick one with ethoxyquin.....Now I have a print out to take with me....

Bumping this up to keep current information & discussions going... :thumbup:

Wellness - Dog Food Analysis
"Overall, this product uses good quality ingredients throughout and we are particularly pleased to see that the use of ethoxyquin-free meat sources is stated."

This was added to the more current thread.......here....


http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...r-threads.html



NEW INFO......

In light of this information on ethoxyqion , many now don't know if their pet food company is being truthful if this ingredient is used by their fish meal supplier. I received a new e-mail with instructions to ask the pet food company for the Certificate of Analysis they receive from their fish meal supplier. It would list the preservative that was used.......


.....It’s called a Certificate of Analysis; a document provided to pet food manufacturers with every shipment of ingredients. Pet food manufacturers require suppliers to provide them with a certificate of analysis for every pet food ingredient. Information provided with each analysis is different depending on the particular ingredient. However as with the issue of ethoxyquin preserved fish meals, the analysis will report if the fish meal is preserved naturally or with risky ethoxyquin.

If you have your doubts, call or email your pet food manufacturer and ask they provide you with a certificate of analysis for the fish meal ingredient (or any other ingredient). If your pet food manufacturer refuses, perhaps on the basis the information would be proprietary, get a new pet food. Proof of pet food ingredient quality should NEVER be proprietary information. The bad news...with every batch of pet food and in turn with every batch of incoming ingredients, the analysis statement could change. Quality of ingredients SHOULD remain consistent, however one certificate of analysis will not guarantee that.
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So it seems that the SAFE thing to do is not feed our pups ANY FOOD that has "fish meal" in it. No matter what the company may be telling us.
This is sad news.:(

Good to know Nature's Variety's Fish Meal is "ok" to feed.
We got a sample of the Lamb Meal & Oatmeal Medley Prairie today and he LOVES it!