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Nancy1999 03-25-2009 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by wantayorkie23 (Post 2541126)
Ok so no one knows if you can get it removed
Yes, you can get it removed, but this would require an incision. The microchip is about the size of a grain of rice, and while it can be injected with a large needle, you would have to remove it with a scalpel, which is a really sharp surgical knife. I imagine it would be a small incision. Some people think that the microchip gives off radio waves like a microwave oven, this isn't true, and I just wanted to let you know that it isn't anything like a homing device; it's just a small chip that contains information that, if scanned, can be read.

nishalb23 03-25-2009 05:15 PM
I really appreciate everyones response to this. I never expected so many responses!! i am truly loving this community :) I still am undecided about chipping my Bailee and when we get our new baby girl, who is still unnamed..... I don't know about her either. But thank you all soooo much for all the input!! I will keep reading and will update what I decide to do with Ms Bailee.

sophielovesgucc 03-25-2009 05:37 PM
My reasons were funny
 
I seriously and innocently thought these were GPS for dogs that's why I got one for my Gucc..... ooops ... I should have read about itmore before I opted to get one for him I guess but the vets were very much into having him chipped though plus you get free insurance thru some group for getting that microchip too.....:animal36

Nancy1999 03-25-2009 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by sophielovesgucc (Post 2542351)
I seriously and innocently thought these were GPS for dogs that's why I got one for my Gucc..... ooops ... I should have read about itmore before I opted to get one for him I guess but the vets were very much into having him chipped though plus you get free insurance thru some group for getting that microchip too.....:animal36
Lol, wouldn't that be cool if they were, someday. :D

fufufashions 03-25-2009 06:04 PM
I had 4 of mine chipped when they were spayed. Kissy is the only one not chipped since she hasn't been put under for anything since she was 7 months old. She is 8 years old this year. If i have her put under for anything, i'll have her chipped then. I saw a big dog get it done once and that dog screamed in pain so i just won't do it while they are awake.
I have no fear about it and feel better knowing they would have a better chance of getting found if they were lost or stolen.

Sweet Apple 03-26-2009 11:48 AM
How Can They Be Found
 
I can understand micro-chips for large dogs that might spend alot of time in the back-yard, and escape, but why a yorkie? If one did get stolen, how would you track them? More than likely, the stolen dog would never be anywhere, or in a situation to be found....Or am I missing something here?
Maggie & Apple :aimeeyork
xoxoxo

Nancy1999 03-26-2009 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Apple (Post 2543988)
I can understand micro-chips for large dogs that might spend alot of time in the back-yard, and escape, but why a yorkie? If one did get stolen, how would you track them? More than likely, the stolen dog would never be anywhere, or in a situation to be found....Or am I missing something here?
Maggie & Apple :aimeeyork
xoxoxo
Not all dogs are stolen; it's just a safety precaution. If you read the threads around here, there are plenty of lost dogs. With a stolen dog, there is some protection on proving that the dog is really yours. I registered Joey's microchip number with the AKC and they have a 24-hour service that informs all local animal agencies of the problem, they also contact all vets in the area. This could be especially useful if you are traveling. I'm not sure what the specific microchip company (Home Again) offers for help, but I would call them too, if Joey were lost. I recently read a thread of someone finding a Yorkie at their door and trying everything to find the owner, but the dog had no chip. It's more like you are buying reassurance than anything, but for 20-30 dollars, and lifetime protection, that a lot of reassurance for the money. If I had an unneutered dog, there is no doubt I would get this.

KimberlySRN 03-26-2009 12:20 PM
Suri is microchipped. It is true that your pup must be scanned it isn't a GPS, but I want to make sure I have done everything I can to get my Suri back if heaven forbid she got out. She is microchipped, has tags on when their are any doors open, and will be registered with the AKC lost program. Plus I think it also proves that your pup is your pup. A friend of mine had her dog stolen from her yard. She tried and tried to get him back but only had his AKC papers and the police said that was not enough to tell if that is indeed her dog, plus the person that took her dog would not allow DNA testing. She wishes she had microchipped him because then she would have paper work that match the info in his chip. (She eventually got him back but only because she gave the person a puppy to get him back, I know crazy but it was either that or never see him again.)

Nancy1999 03-26-2009 12:30 PM
Just wanted to add that with the AKC service 359,991 pets have been recovered so far.

seainthecity 03-26-2009 12:30 PM
I have both my yorkie and golden retriever microchipped and will do so with every dog I get. My golden got out of the gate one day when a neighbor's kid openned it. He bolted before I could get to him because he was scared when my neighbor started up his wood chipper. I searched for him for hours and later that night, a local vet called and said a neighbor a couple blocks away had taken him in since he was on the street...then brought him to the vet to get scanned to see if he was chipped. He didn't have a collar on because we have a heavily wooded yard and one day he got caught on a branch when chasing a squirrel (he never catches them, thank goodness) and really bruised his neck. So, long story short...we had him back that night. We are very careful with our dogs but this just shows how something totally unexpected can happen no matter how careful you are.

There was also a story about someone who lost their dog and a few months later she saw her dog at a neighbors. They called police and the dog was ID'd through its chip and happily reunited with its owner. So, I vote for chips.

seainthecity 03-26-2009 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2542383)
Lol, wouldn't that be cool if they were, someday. :D
I work in the pet business and my friend is an Electrical Engineer. We tried to pioneer a GPS unit last year, but the technology is still too far off for making them small enough to implant. There is a GPS tracking device collar though and I have a couple friends I've gotten them for. Here's the info:

Zoombak's Advanced GPS Dog Locator is a dependable and accurate way to locate your dog and bring him home safely if he runs away or gets stolen. Our lightweight device comfortably attaches to your dog's collar allowing you to help locate him on-demand or via your own customized, active safety zones. Continuous tracking, real-time updates and 24/7 toll-free live customer service will give you the peace of mind you are looking for.

Small and ligthweight device (2.5 oz.)
Unlimited On-Demand Locates
Customizable saftey zones.
Instant location alerts (via text for mobile phone or email)
Location history (path taken since leaving home)
Continuous tracking.
Long Battery life (up to 5 days on standby or 150 location requests before recharging)
Water-resistant A-GPS locator and pouch.
24/7 toll-free live customer help.
Service Plan required; ask for details.

LibbieLu08 03-26-2009 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ILoveBingoo (Post 2539693)
my older pup didn't come with a Microchip but my new pup did and i asked my vet to put one on my older pup but he said it don't make sense to put it because if someone finds him and dosn't take him to a vet or a shelter to get scanned than u wont get him back and they will just keep him so i changed my mind...
Yeap! Thats what I said too! HONESTLY..... if somone was the find a yorkie or any small breed in that case. Most likely....they'll keep it. :(

Plus...it reminds me of the 666 thing.....sorry but I'm against it

lil fu fu girl 03-26-2009 01:58 PM
I do not have mine microchipped.
I know that people are very concerned about losing their pets. However, Dr. Benezra, Director of the Cancer Biology Genetics program for Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center has proven a definite link between RFID microchip transponders and malignant sarcomas in rats , mice and dogs. These sarcomas form and surround the chip and then can metastisize to other parts of the body. These implants were unequivocally identified as the cause of the cancer.
To me,in my opinion, that is too much of a risk.
I have taken determined measures to train my dogs not to run out the door, or run away. Stay is one of the first commandments.
But like I always say, they are your animals and you have to do what you think is best for them. Best of luck:thumbup:

Nancy1999 03-26-2009 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by lil fu fu girl (Post 2544356)
I do not have mine microchipped.
I know that people are very concerned about losing their pets. However, Dr. Benezra, Director of the Cancer Biology Genetics program for Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center has proven a definite link between RFID microchip transponders and malignant sarcomas in rats , mice and dogs. These sarcomas form and surround the chip and then can metastisize to other parts of the body. These implants were unequivocally identified as the cause of the cancer.
To me,in my opinion, that is too much of a risk.
I have taken determined measures to train my dogs not to run out the door, or run away. Stay is one of the first commandments.
But like I always say, they are your animals and you have to do what you think is best for them. Best of luck:thumbup:


Radio-frequency identification (RFID) is not what is being used in the microchips, RFID use tracking radio waves; it's a completely different thing, and I agree more studies are needed to determine their safety. It probably similar technology to the tracking collar that seainthecity speaks about in post 41, but it has nothing to do with microchips, and their safety has been clearly proven.


Here is information on the RFID tracking devices, sometimes they are used on passports and things of that nature. Radio-frequency identification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lil fu fu girl 03-26-2009 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2544401)
Radio-frequency identification (RFID) is not what is being used in the microchips, RFID use tracking radio waves; it's a completely different thing, and I agree more studies are needed to determine their safety. It probably similar technology to the tracking collar that seainthecity speaks about in post 41, but it has nothing to do with microchips, and their safety has been clearly proven.


Here is information on the RFID tracking devices, sometimes they are used on passports and things of that nature. Radio-frequency identification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Actually, it is the same thing. Read further down on your article.
RFID's(or chips) used on animals are labeled "passive or inert" because they contain no internal power source and do not act until acted upon.They contain three components; a silicon integrated circuit board which is the memory that holds the owners info, and inductor which acts as the radio antenna, and a capacitor which works with the inudcutor to essentially form a tuner.
As for their safety, I will stick with my initial stand with Dr. Benezra.
But thanks for the info.

Nancy1999 03-26-2009 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by lil fu fu girl (Post 2544481)
Actually, it is the same thing. Read further down on your article.
RFID's(or chips) used on animals are labeled "passive or inert" because they contain no internal power source and do not act until acted upon.They contain three components; a silicon integrated circuit board which is the memory that holds the owners info, and inductor which acts as the radio antenna, and a capacitor which works with the inudcutor to essentially form a tuner.
As for their safety, I will stick with my initial stand with Dr. Benezra.
But thanks for the info.
Look at their uses; they are not used in dog's microchips. The chips they are talking about can be read from blocks/miles away, it's a completely different thing. Again, I believe some misleading information is being passed as fact, because commercial breeders don't want to have to just these. They think if they can pass enough of this propaganda, these laws won't pass. Commercial breeders aren't concerned with the safety of their dogs, they are concerned with the cost per dog, and also they don't like the fact that authorities will be able to to link dogs to breeders. The dog fighting enthusiasts are especially fighting this law, at the present time, they can be seen with a bloodied up dog, and just deny that they are the owner, microchips would be able to identity this as well. If you choose not to microchip you pet, that's your choice, the type used in dogs is different than this, and there are many studies that have proven their safety.

Nancy1999 03-26-2009 03:25 PM
From a recent study done in 2007.

http://www.verichipcorp.com/files/Ti...n-FINAL_3_.pdf

Over the last 15 years, millions of dogs and cats throughout the world have safely received an implantable microchip that can quickly and reliably document the identity of a pet. As a result of this life-saving technology, some 8,000 dogs and cats are successfully reunited with their owners every month.

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Conclusions
The use of microchips in pets is a safe, effective, and durable means of identification that has been used globally in millions of animals for nearly two decades. To date, the entire global database of sarcoma development in microchipped dogs is limited to a single case-report involving 1 animal. Furthermore, though low incidences of vaccine-related sarcoma development have been documented in cats (even more rare in dogs), microchip-associated sarcoma development has never been reported in felines. In the context of millions of microchip implantations spread over many years, this near absence of adverse event documentation comprises an impressive and expansive safety record. Therefore, the benefits of microchip implantation with regard to the safety and welfare of pets should they become lost or separated from their owner have proven to be infinitely greater than the remote and unsubstantiated risk of tumor development associated with microchip implantation.

lil fu fu girl 03-26-2009 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999;2544510[U
]Look at their uses; they are not used in dog's microchips.[/U] The chips they are talking about can be read from blocks/miles away, it's a completely different thing. Again, I believe some misleading information is being passed as fact, because commercial breeders don't want to have to just these. They think if they can pass enough of this propaganda, these laws won't pass. Commercial breeders aren't concerned with the safety of their dogs, they are concerned with the cost per dog, and also they don't like the fact that authorities will be able to to link dogs to breeders. The dog fighting enthusiasts are especially fighting this law, at the present time, they can be seen with a bloodied up dog, and just deny that they are the owner, microchips would be able to identity this as well. If you choose not to microchip you pet, that's your choice, the type used in dogs is different than this, and there are many studies that have proven their safety.

RFID technology is the same technology used in pet microchipping.
As stated per your article, and in the JVM.
The only difference in the microchipping of dogs, versus that in cars or passports, is that the RFID does not contain its own power supply; like the ones you refer to "That can be read from miles away". Those are RFID's that contain an internal power source and can transmit information without having been scanned. The ones in animals has to be "scanned", in order to acquire the owners info, essentially that is why they are termed passive, because of this non-transmitting status.

Their safety has been of great discussion and research, and people fall on both sides of the coin when it comes to their implantation. I am not here to tell you whether it is right or wrong for you. I am just here to explain another dimension of these "chips", and why they should be investigated and researched by anyone who is making this decision for their pet.



lil fu fu girl 03-26-2009 04:02 PM
Here's another link about RFID microchipping in dogs. Hope this helps.



Link

CouversMom 03-26-2009 04:41 PM
My cats are microchipped, and Couver will be in a week when he is neutered. There is no reason not to do it. I feel that any extra way for him to be recovered is a plus. I know the feeling of losing an animal, and I do not want to have to deal with that. Couver has tags, will have a microchip and be registered with my town. This way I have all my bases covered, and will not hate myself if he manages to get away.:)

He is my child, and I will do anything to keep him safe.

JMuedog 04-16-2009 10:19 AM
Anyone have any idea on the ideal age for microchipping? I cannot remember how old Finnigan was, and I want Gwenndilyn to get microchipped.

Nancy1999 04-16-2009 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by JMuedog (Post 2580402)
Anyone have any idea on the ideal age for microchipping? I cannot remember how old Finnigan was, and I want Gwenndilyn to get microchipped.
I haven't read anything about an ideal age, many people do it during a neuter or spay, and I know some breeders sell their dogs already microchipped, so it should be safe for younger puppies.

JMuedog 04-16-2009 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2580411)
I haven't read anything about an ideal age, many people do it during a neuter or spay, and I know some breeders sell their dogs already microchipped, so it should be safe for younger puppies.
Thanks, I was thinking Finnigan was pretty young... don't want to rush and have it done too early, I think she's big enough for it though.

Cobh1712 04-23-2009 02:33 AM
Article on microchips causing cancer
 
Hi, I have been trying to decide if I will microchip Snoopy and have been doing some research. Here is one of the articleshttp://www.louisville-pets.com/microchip_cancer_study.html Along with the fact that the microchip can migrate, (could it migrate to heart????) I don't think I want to take the risk. However, I live in Ireland in a small town so think there is less chance of dog napping here. Also, Snoopy goes everywhere with me, even into the supermarket in a little tote bag, so he is never left on his own. :dogwalk:

Jemma 04-23-2009 04:17 AM
When I put a deposit on Jemma, I was given the choice. I chose to have her micro chipped for a extra 20 0r 25 dollars.

Jemma 04-23-2009 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by kval07 (Post 2539947)
Does anyone have their dog microchipped AND tattooed? I mean, getting your dog microchipped won't do anything if someone can't/won't call animal control or take them to the vet.

I plan on getting my dog microchipped when he gets neutered. After I breed him and he gets a playmate.:D
Yes I use to tattoo before microchips, but now it's just microchips. Tattooing is painful. Grateful for micro chips.

Olivier 04-23-2009 04:40 AM
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Originally Posted by JMuedog (Post 2580402)
Anyone have any idea on the ideal age for microchipping? I cannot remember how old Finnigan was, and I want Gwenndilyn to get microchipped.
I microchipped mine between 9 to 12 weeks old .

Britster 04-23-2009 08:27 AM
Jackson got microchipped yesterday during his neuter - I have to go online and check it out and change some stuff. The vet did the registration for me they said.

loveyorks 04-23-2009 08:59 AM
I was just wondering what happens to the info in the microchip when a dog is rehomed and need those info to be changed. I did not know you could do that on line..

AshSavalle 04-23-2009 09:27 AM
I may sound strange but the whole idea of tattooing or inserting a microchip scares me. All I think of when I hear about it is "the mark of the beast". So I made the decision not to ever mark any of my pets. For religious reasons.
I do hope that no illness comes up down the road related to them. I would hate for "us" to be making a fatal choice for our babies.


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