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03-18-2009, 09:22 PM | #1 |
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| Dr. Jean Dodd's vaccine schedule Hi everyone! Vaccination Schedule Recommendations For Dogs My vet actually follows this, what do you all think? I like the fact that after the one year booster, a titer test is recommended.
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03-18-2009, 11:10 PM | #2 |
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| we LOVE LOVE LOVE Dr. Dodds!!!! we JUST went and saw her for the first time last week!! avie was having some tummy issues and i was referred to her by another member/friend Debbie! her office is about 30 min. from my house... but, she is absolutely the BEST!!! i just love her! she is SO SMART and REALLY KNOWS HER STUFF!! she has a GREAT approach to things(in my opinion) and she is SO compassionate and caring!! she REALLY cares about our babies and it SHOWS!!!! i trust her 100% and will ALSO be titer testing!!! Dr. Jean Dodds will also be doing ALL our blood work from now on!!!!!
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03-19-2009, 03:45 AM | #3 |
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| No, this is not the schedule my vet uses but I just printed it out and will discuss it with them the next time we go in. Is this her current vaccine schedule? I know sometimes things change or get updated. |
03-19-2009, 04:18 AM | #4 |
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| I think it's great that vets are starting to titer and not vaccinate so often. Vaccinating every year for everything is not really based in solid science at all. I really like Dr. Dodds and Dr. Schultz and support the Rabies Challenge Fund, etc. That said, this protocol is not perfect. None are. The problem with relying on low titers to tell you if your dog needs a booster is that a low titer only means that there is very little humoral immunity. That doesn't mean that there is no cellular immunity. Over time titers naturally fall and it does not mean that the dog is unprotected. So I think it is a good starting place to not vaccinate every year but just remember low titer doesn't always equal no protection... I can tell you that this protocol does not work with Ellie for distemper. Her titer came back low a couple years ago. She was revaxed and the next year the titer had went up but it was on the line of being low (1:32). It probably dropped more this year, so if it's low and I follow the above protocol she will have to be revaxed again. It is very highly unlikely that she is unprotected though and needs this every other year. So that is the frustrating thing with titers. I know Dr. Schultz looks at titers a bit differently and the number would have to be very low for a revax with him but since the common labs like Idexx have their own idea of what a high and lower titer is, it can get irritating.
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03-19-2009, 06:18 AM | #5 |
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| Titering Validity from Jean Dodds She does all our blood work and titering and i trust her completely. There is also an excellent article in the whole dog journal 8/09 by Ray Schultz as well explaining vaccinations and titers that i highly recommend reading and you can get back articles on their website - Mine have been titered for 4 years and still have enough in them for parvo distemper and dd gets rabies titer as well as she has alot of health issues and still has enough from her 6 months rabies - I have 3 dogs and all of them test fine and they will be 5 this year MORE ON VACCINE TITER TESTING W. Jean Dodds, DVM Hemopet 938 Stanford Street Santa Monica, CA 90403 310-828-4804; Fax 310-828-8251 Animal Blood Bank and Restore Health Cente hemopet@hotmail.com Some veterinarians have challenged the validity of using vaccine titer testing to assess the immunologic status of animals against the common, clinically important infectious diseases. With all due respect, this represents a misunderstanding of what has been called the “fallacy of titer testing”, because research has shown that once an animal’s titer stabilizes it is likely to remain constant for many years. Properly immunized animals have sterilizing immunity that not only prevents clinical disease but also prevents infection, and only the presence of antibody can prevent infection. As stated by eminent expert Dr. Ronald Schultz in discussing the value of vaccine titer testing, these tests “show that an animal with a positive test has sterilizing immunity and should be protected from infection. If that animal were vaccinated it would not respond with a significant increase in antibody titer, but may develop a hypersensitivity to vaccine components (e.g. fetal bovine serum). Furthermore, the animal doesn't need to be revaccinated and should not be revaccinated since the vaccine could cause an adverse reaction (hypersensitivity disorder). You should avoid vaccinating animals that are already protected. It is often said that the antibody level detected is “only a snapshot in time". That's simply not true; it is more a “motion picture that plays for years". Furthermore, protection as indicated by a positive titer result is not likely to suddenly drop-off unless an animal develops a medical problem such as cancer or receives high or prolonged doses of immunosuppressive drugs. Viral vaccines prompt an immune response that lasts much longer than that elicited by classic antigen. Lack of distinction between the two kinds of responses may be why practitioners think titers can suddenly disappear. But, not all vaccines produce sterilizing immunity. Those that do include: distemper virus, adenovirus, and parvovirus in the dog, and panleukopenia virus in the cat. Examples of vaccines that produced non-sterile immunity would be leptospirosis, bordetella, rabies virus, herpesvirus and calicivirus --- the latter two being upper respiratory viruses of cats. While non-sterile immunity may not protect the animal from infection, it should keep the infection from progressing to severe clinical disease. Therefore, interpreting titers correctly depends upon the disease in question. Some titers must reach a certain level to indicate immunity, but with other agents like those that produce sterile immunity, the presence of any measurable antibody shows protection. The positive titer test result is fairly straightforward, but a negative titer test result is more difficult to interpret, because a negative titer is not the same thing as a zero titer and it doesn't necessarily mean that animal is unprotected. A negative result usually means the titer has failed to reach the threshold of providing sterile immunity. This is an important distinction, because for the clinically important distemper and parvovirus diseases of dogs, and panleukopenia of cats, a negative or zero antibody titer indicates that the animal is not protected against canine parvovirus and may not be protected against canine distemper virus or feline panleukopenia virus. Finally, what does more than a decade of experience with vaccine titer testing reveal ? Published studies in refereed journals show that 90-98% of dogs and cats that have been properly vaccinated develop good measurable antibody titers to the infectious agent measured. So, in contrast to the concerns of some practitioners, using vaccine titer testing as a means to assess vaccine-induced protection will likely result in the animal avoiding needless and unwise booster vaccinations. SIDE BAR Reasons for Vaccine Titer Testing: * 1. To determine that animal is protected (suggested by a positive test result). 2. To identify a susceptible animal (suggested by a negative test result). 3. To determine whether an individual animal has responded to a vaccine. 4. To determine whether an individual vaccine is effectively immunizing animals. * from: Schultz RD, Ford RB, Olsen J, Scott F. Titer testing and vaccination: a new look at traditional practices. Vet Med, 97: 1-13, 2002 (insert). References Dodds WJ. Vaccination protocols for dogs predisposed to vaccine reactions. J Am An Hosp Assoc 38: 1-4, 2001. Lappin MR, Andrews J, Simpson D, et al. Use of serologic tests to predict resistance to feline herpesvirus 1, feline calicivirus, and feline parvovirus infection in cats. J Am Vet Med Assoc 220: 38-42, 2002. Mouzin DE, Lorenzen M J, Haworth, et al. Duration of serologic response to five viral antigens in dogs. J Am Vet Med Assoc 224: 55-60, 2004. Mouzin DE, Lorenzen M J, Haworth, et al. Duration of serologic response to three viral antigens in cats. J Am Vet Med Assoc 224: 61-66, 2004. Paul MA (chair) et al. Report of the AAHA Canine Vaccine Task Force: 2003 canine vaccine guidelines, recommendations, and supporting literature. AAHA, April 2003, 28 pp. Tizard I, Ni Y. Use of serologic testing to assess immune status of companion animals. J Am Vet Med Assoc 213: 54-60, 1998. Twark L, Dodds WJ. Clinical application of serum parvovirus and distemper virus antibody titers for determining revaccination strategies in healthy dogs. J Am Vet Med Assoc 217:1021-1024, 2000. |
03-19-2009, 11:52 AM | #7 |
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| i discussed this with my vet - who i have to point out i really like and i feel lucky i found him with that said, we went head to head on this subject and this vac schedule. we left it at we saw where each other was coming from and he would only do what i felt comfortable with the only good point he brought up in my opinion (LOL) is that is really depends on location and what is prevalent in your area. what works for people in CA where dr dodds is might not work in TX where certain diseases (like parvo) run rampant. my vet said he used to see 4-5 cases PER WEEK of parvo until his patients and other vets patients really got responsible with their parvo boosters. i guess i would prefer to over vaccinate a tiny bit rather risk my babies being under protected and heaven forbid get something grrr it is such a hard choice
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03-19-2009, 05:06 PM | #8 |
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03-19-2009, 05:17 PM | #9 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Great info. This is my fave place to learn about titers and the different types of immunity (cellular vs. humoral) - it was really helpful for me: Titers
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03-22-2009, 12:30 PM | #10 |
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| Hmmmmmmmm...guess it's pretty controversial. I only heard of titer tests recently cuz one of Mimi's pup's had an allergic reaction to her vaccines. I guess in that case, titer test would be the way to go? I'll have to ask my vet.
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If it was a severe reaction, you will most likely need to skip the vaccine for good because premedicating with Benadryl doesn't always work. Titers can be used in cases of reactions though. The thing is, titers are being used "wrong". They are being used a year later to see if the dog still has humoral immunity. They are supposed to be used about a month after vaccinating to see if the vaccine "took". That doesn't mean they can't be used the other way but that is really not exactly what they're for.
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03-22-2009, 12:39 PM | #12 |
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| Thankfully, it was a mild reaction, but it looked pretty bad...her muzzle was swollen, & her eyes as well (I took her to emergency cuz I thought she coudn't breathe!). It was her 2nd round of DHPP & 1st Boedatella. The vet said it could've been the 2nd round, or the combination of both. For her 3rd round, the vet mixed in anti-inflammatory w/her shots.
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03-22-2009, 12:46 PM | #13 |
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| Thanks for all the information! I just posted a thread about what type of shots Moose will be needing! I will take this with me when I take him to the vet this next week! Thanks again YT!
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