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gracie may 11-23-2008 01:08 PM
need to switch foods again??
 
I need some advice on what brand to feed my 5 month old yorkie, she is currently eating a tablespoon of ukaneba lamb and rice with a little of hills science diet in the morning and just the science diet in the evening, i have been reading a lot of thread about natural balance and wanted to know if that was better, sometime it seems like her stools are very soft. I also notice her knawing at her paws and she has been treated for fleas. thanks. Gracie:aimeeyork

marcerella02 11-23-2008 01:35 PM
oh poor thing. It is the food that is causing her loose poop and her itching. All of those food are sadly bad quality but sold everywhere. Natural Balance is a WONDERFUL food- but you need to change over slowly- her body has to rid itself of the old food- take about a week to change over- slowly adding more and more new food. Her poop might get even softer but it is just her body adjusting to the new food- that shouldn't last longer than 2-3 days.

gracie may 11-23-2008 01:43 PM
should i slowly get her off wet food and just keep giving her hard food instead???

marcerella02 11-23-2008 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by gracie may (Post 2345106)
should i slowly get her off wet food and just keep giving her hard food instead???
you should change brands all together. wet or dry- the brands she is eating are not good for her at all.

phfgkl 11-23-2008 03:34 PM
My 5 1/2 mo old biewer is on purina pro plan puppy food, and is doing really well on it.

marcerella02 11-23-2008 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2345281)
My 5 1/2 mo old biewer is on purina pro plan puppy food, and is doing really well on it.
Purina is a very low quality food. He may be doing well currently but if you start to see health issues - it is probably the food. There are bi prodcuts in it which can cause huge health issues.

luvfla 11-23-2008 03:45 PM
I switched the boys to NB venison & sweet potato. Clarence rarely pees inside anymore (he's 12 & taking a diuretic) & Keegan does NOT chew on his paws anymore. This chang has been great for us.

marcerella02 11-23-2008 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by luvfla (Post 2345306)
I switched the boys to NB venison & sweet potato. Clarence rarely pees inside anymore (he's 12 & taking a diuretic) & Keegan does NOT chew on his paws anymore. This chang has been great for us.
WOW that's great! Vension is a rare meat and usually goes over great for dogs who have allergies which is what it sounds like Keegan had!

luvfla 11-23-2008 03:54 PM
Really! The vet couldn't give us an answer but YT sure did! THANKS YT!

I'd love to go prey model but I don't think I have the "fill in excuse" for it right now. Keegan would be perfect for it...Clarence is like an old "Queen", he'd look at it like...well, lady...what the hell do you expect me to do with THIS mess???? He is 7# of pure funny (reference avatar).

phfgkl 11-23-2008 04:07 PM
Yes, purina is supposedly a bad food, but, not all purina foods are bad. For one thing, the food we had to have our golden retriever on, was made by purina, it was only sold through the vets, and the pro plan is also one of their better ones. When our chihuahua was growing up over 40 years ago, purina was one of the only foods out there on the market, he was on purina dog food all his life, and lived to be 19, never had any health problems. As I've said before, no matter what kind of food anyone feeds, as long as the dog does well with it, no allergies, etc then keep them on it..I truely believe in this, I have seen many dogs sicker on supposed "good food", than some of the "bad food"..:rolleyes:

gracie may 11-23-2008 04:17 PM
did anyone ever hear of the food called promise, i recieved coupons in the mail for their food, it says they sell it at pet smart. :aimeeyork Gracie

marcerella02 11-23-2008 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2345336)
Yes, purina is supposedly a bad food, but, not all purina foods are bad. For one thing, the food we had to have our golden retriever on, was made by purina, it was only sold through the vets, and the pro plan is also one of their better ones. When our chihuahua was growing up over 40 years ago, purina was one of the only foods out there on the market, he was on purina dog food all his life, and lived to be 19, never had any health problems. As I've said before, no matter what kind of food anyone feeds, as long as the dog does well with it, no allergies, etc then keep them on it..I truely believe in this, I have seen many dogs sicker on supposed "good food", than some of the "bad food"..:rolleyes:
i suppose as long as you feel good feeding it that is all that matters.

phfgkl 11-23-2008 04:56 PM
The breeder had her on pro plan, if she didn't feel it was a good food, she wouldn't have been feeding it. I know our golden retriever lived to be 17 or 18 being on kibbles and chunk all her life(she died of cancer, never ever paid a vet bill for her, except the yearly rabi shots..), the same with our 19 year old chihuahua..Now, I've had mine on good food and have had plenty of vet bills. Now, they're all on eukanuba naturally wild, they all do well on it, their poop is more solid than it was on other "good" foods, and YES, I do feel good feeding it to them.

marcerella02 11-23-2008 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2345452)
The breeder had her on pro plan, if she didn't feel it was a good food, she wouldn't have been feeding it. I know our golden retriever lived to be 17 or 18 being on kibbles and chunk all her life(she died of cancer, never ever paid a vet bill for her, except the yearly rabi shots..), the same with our 19 year old chihuahua..Now, I've had mine on good food and have had plenty of vet bills. Now, they're all on eukanuba naturally wild, they all do well on it, their poop is more solid than it was on other "good" foods, and YES, I do feel good feeding it to them.
You didn't need to defend yourself- I just wanted to OP to know that i guess what matters is that everyone feels fine with what they are feeding. And breeders, like vets, don't often know a lot about food. I'm only stating what is true. I'm not making things up. Ingredients are ingredients.

diggy4 11-23-2008 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 2345467)
You didn't need to defend yourself- I just wanted to OP to know that i guess what matters is that everyone feels fine with what they are feeding. And breeders, like vets, don't often know a lot about food. I'm only stating what is true. I'm not making things up. Ingredients are ingredients.
well said Marci! You are what ya eat ;)

phfgkl 11-23-2008 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 2345467)
You didn't need to defend yourself- I just wanted to OP to know that i guess what matters is that everyone feels fine with what they are feeding. And breeders, like vets, don't often know a lot about food. I'm only stating what is true. I'm not making things up. Ingredients are ingredients.
Well, considering this breeder has been breeding for years, and has healthy, dogs/pups, she must be doing something right..considering vets deal with our dogs and have been for years I would assume, they would probably know a little more about what foods are okay, than the "pet" owner!

marcerella02 11-23-2008 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2345490)
Well, considering this breeder has been breeding for years, and has healthy, dogs/pups, she must be doing something right..considering vets deal with our dogs and have been for years I would assume, they would probably know a little more about what foods are okay, than the "pet" owner!
That acutally isn't true. We have many vet techs on here who will tell you vets get little to no training on dog food- They suggest what they do because the companies pay them to sell it and they don't know better. Again- this is just fact- i'm not making stuff up. Vets do want what is best for our dogs and the "beileve" what they are selling is best- but if you do research you'll find out that is not the case- it is junk food.

Suzy 11-23-2008 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2345490)
Well, considering this breeder has been breeding for years, and has healthy, dogs/pups, she must be doing something right..considering vets deal with our dogs and have been for years I would assume, they would probably know a little more about what foods are okay, than the "pet" owner!
I agree with Marcerella02's advice so far. Purina isn't known to be a great food, but I am happy to hear it worked well with your golden.

Please keep in mind that MANY MANY vet offices are subsidized by Hill's and Iams-which means they get MONEY to promote and sell their products. And, they get lots of free literature to read themselves and hand out, and a lot of times they don't even realize what they're doing. I asked one of our vets about homecooking, and she didn't have the SLIGHTEST clue about dog nutrition-she just said she wasn't familiar with it, and just used Hill's and Iams, but to persue my own research. And then we switched vets! ;)

diggy4 11-23-2008 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2345490)
Well, considering this breeder has been breeding for years, and has healthy, dogs/pups, she must be doing something right..considering vets deal with our dogs and have been for years I would assume, they would probably know a little more about what foods are okay, than the "pet" owner!
Oh geesh....don't believe all your told by vets....there is bad in everything. Just like with kids the Dr will say OH teething doesnt cause fever or sickness....well we all know thats not true. And how many times are Drs gonna tell us eggs are good for you...oh wait no they cause cancer...oh sorry they are ok eat up... Things change all the time. And vets DO get kick backs from the not so desirable dog food companies. My vet herself admitted this which is why she went holistic, she couldnt just say what the dog food companies tell her to say. If you are happy with your breeders food so be it, best of luck to you. But please dont insult us by calling us "pet" owners. If you believe McDonalds when they say "lower" fat or think SUbway can make you look like Jared....so be it But i assure you there is WAY more to the story than these companies lead us to believe. All we can do is give advice on our own experiances. WHat we have come to believe is best. We are ALL in this for the same reason. To rasie healthy happy pets.

lapi's yorkies 11-23-2008 05:31 PM
My dogs were doing good with Royal Canin (?) or so I thought. After reading many threads here at YT and becoming informed I swithched all of mine to Orijen (made in the USA) and Halo treats. After a couple of months I noticed a difference in their hair and almost immediately in their poop not to mention that the scratching/itching stopped. It is a little more expensive but it is worth my babies health. Once again thank you YT. :D

Suzy 11-23-2008 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by lapi's yorkies (Post 2345533)
My dogs were doing good with Royal Canin (?) or so I thought. After reading many threads here at YT and becoming informed I swithched all of mine to Orijen (made in the USA) and Halo treats. After a couple of months I noticed a difference in their hair and almost immediately in their poop not to mention that the scratching/itching stopped. It is a little more expensive but it is worth my babies health. Once again thank you YT. :D
Great story! Glad you had success with Orijen! :)

marcerella02 11-23-2008 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Suzy (Post 2345545)
Great story! Glad you had success with Orijen! :)
When i fed kibble I had Lay on Orijen- but the salmon one gave her horrible gas :p

chestermama 11-23-2008 06:04 PM
I agree with the other yt both of those food are by products and filler.

phfgkl 11-23-2008 06:07 PM
oh believe me, I've never asked any of my vets for food advice. I have had dogs all my life and feed them what works best for them. As I've said, all of mine are on eukanuba naturally wild, and are doing great on it, so that's what they will continue to get. There is no corn or fillers in it. As I've said, everyone should do whatever they feel is best for their dogs.

scrapindee 11-23-2008 06:53 PM
Breeders often belong to a Breeders Programs that provides sample packages for puppy packages. Doesn't mean that the foods they recommend are the healthiest or the safest. I recently discussed on my blog and on my website, the Pet Food scare as well as provided the list of the healthiest dog foods available and who the manufacturers are.

I feed my dogs, Biewers included, California Natural Lamb and Rice. As puppies they get the puppy formula. The adults get the Reduced Fat variety. When the puppies are weaning from mom, they eat the softened kibble.

There is no breeders program for the California Natural dog's food. And this brand wasn't on the recall lists.


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