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Babz 11-16-2008 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by SamiNFurbabies (Post 2332669)
Thank you Nita and TJ's mom!
I will look through everything and come back with questions later!
Do you know if this can somehow help with luxating patellars?

Thanks for all the info!!!

I found out that Abigail, Ada's yorkie, has LP on her rear knee and she feeds raw. Not sure if it will help LP in any particular fashion, but it doesn't hurt her. :)

mizzwanned 11-16-2008 01:11 PM

I mean i was for it, but Teddy & London were getting real sick. They had diarrhea and throwing up everytime i fed it to them, Sophie was fine but since 2 out of 3 were getting sick i stopped it for now and feed their normal food and homecook a little. I plan to try it again later but i have to do it gradually or something. Also it was a lot of work for me cause im a vegetarian and barely have meat in my house, my mom is the only one that eats it.

Babz 11-16-2008 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mizzwanned (Post 2334010)
I mean i was for it, but Teddy & London were getting real sick. They had diarrhea and throwing up everytime i fed it to them, Sophie was fine but since 2 out of 3 were getting sick i stopped it for now and feed their normal food and homecook a little. I plan to try it again later but i have to do it gradually or something. Also it was a lot of work for me cause im a vegetarian and barely have meat in my house, my mom is the only one that eats it.

I hope you don't mind if I ask, what did you feed them?

mizzwanned 11-16-2008 01:20 PM

I was feeding them nv raw in the mornings and in the evenings i started them out with just plain raw chicken breast, no bones, no fat just the breast cause thats what i read to do to get their bodies adjusted to it. But after the 2nd day they were getting sick, i just had to stop cause they would throw up like 3 times everyday and diarrhea all over. Its weird but Sophie was completely normal and i guess could handle the change, but i now feed her the kibbles again cause im not gonna feed one of them raw and not the other 2. So i plan to start them again in a couple months after reading more about it. Right now i feed them california natural and dont really have the time.

Babz 11-16-2008 01:33 PM

I've been researching for 3 months and I do not see anything wrong in what you fed them. That is strange. Maybe when you start again you could feed them NV raw at 1st, and then from there go to whole raw? I am very interested in this. But by feeding them both kinds at the same time makes you or me unable to tell which was causing the problem, the medallions or the chicken breasts. :(

mizzwanned 11-16-2008 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Babz (Post 2334056)
I've been researching for 3 months and I do not see anything wrong in what you fed them. That is strange. Maybe when you start again you could feed them NV raw at 1st, and then from there go to whole raw? I am very interested in this. But by feeding them both kinds at the same time makes you or me unable to tell which was causing the problem, the medallions or the chicken breasts. :(

That's true...i was thinking about that too, cause the nv raw was lamb so maybe cause i was feeding lamb and chicken it made them sick. I think im gonna start again with chicken only, i just worry they're not getting the proper nutrition those first few days. I am thinking of doing BARF diet instead of only meat. The only reason i was feeding NV raw is cause i was planning on starting them on that and around that time i had already started them and i started reading on prey model raw and read how its cheaper and better and said why not and thats why i started at the same time.

Babz 11-16-2008 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mizzwanned (Post 2334077)
That's true...i was thinking about that too, cause the nv raw was lamb so maybe cause i was feeding lamb and chicken it made them sick. I think im gonna start again with chicken only, i just worry they're not getting the proper nutrition those first few days. I am thinking of doing BARF diet instead of only meat. The only reason i was feeding NV raw is cause i was planning on starting them on that and around that time i had already started them and i started reading on prey model raw and read how its cheaper and better and said why not and thats why i started at the same time.

Yeah.. Really shouldn't mix meats the very 1st time they are getting raw. Try them on NV chicken if there's such a thing, it's more bland than lamb, or just chicken meat really. Good luck, keep me posted. :animal-pa

xoxox
Nita

Yorkiedaze 11-16-2008 02:50 PM

It would be nice to be able to safely feed our domestic pets raw meat, and maybe we can if it's of the wild variety that isn't fed hormones or commercial feed. Chickens and beef bought at the supermarkets and butcher shops are meant to be cooked to kill the salmanella that is picked up during the slaughter and butchering, but sill contain hormones that cannot be cooked out. Dogs and wolves in the wild will eat the stomach of their kill first as it contains vital nutrients from plants and berries, then they eat the organs. If they are not starving, they will bury the carcus and eat a few days later when it is ferminted, not unlike cooking it.

Babz 11-16-2008 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze (Post 2334140)
It would be nice to be able to safely feed our domestic pets raw meat, and maybe we can if it's of the wild variety that isn't fed hormones or commercial feed. Chickens and beef bought at the supermarkets and butcher shops are meant to be cooked to kill the salmanella that is picked up during the slaughter and butchering, but sill contain hormones that cannot be cooked out. Dogs and wolves in the wild will eat the stomach of their kill first as it contains vital nutrients from plants and berries, then they eat the organs. If they are not starving, they will bury the carcus and eat a few days later when it is ferminted, not unlike cooking it.

I'm sorry but that eating the stomach contents thing is a total myth. Besides, there is no "vital" nutrients that a wolf needs from plants or berries.

Myths About Raw: Do wolves eat stomach contents of prey?

Tjmom feeds her dogs supermarket meat and so far I've not heard a peep of them contracting salmonella. Besides, salmonella is also found in kibbles and canned food. I follow the rawfeeding list in yahoo. There are 13.199 members and so far, not a single peep about salmonella. Some buy in supermarkets, some buy from butchers, some gets meat from hunters, trades, roadkill, etc etc. Most common problem is getting the ratio or meat, bone and organ just right, not any kinds of bacterial infections.

Wolves bury their prey because they do not want it to go to waste, not to cook it. In fact, burying meat in the ground (in soil) will actually slow down its decomposition. (read this in a text book in college) So logical conclusion here is that they bury their food to keep it as fresh as possible.

I do agree about the hormones, that is why it is advised to feed your dogs/cats free range meats, but really, most are going with what they can afford here. But you said it yourself, the hormones do not get cooked out, which is also a contributing factor to obesity in humans. So on this point, what makes the commercial food better than raw?

amandawash 11-16-2008 03:29 PM

My boys get NV raw medallions. It took Ranger a few days to actually start to eat it, but after he actually ate it the first time he never looked back!!!

I feed the Chicken (really chicken and turkey), the lamb and our favorite- the organic chicken. I bought a few bags and separated the day's meals into individual plastic baggies, and put them back in the freezer. That way I can alternate meats and give them variety!

We love it!! My tiny, picky boy, talks and dances for his meals, it makes me feel so good!!

Yorkiedaze 11-16-2008 03:52 PM

It's already a known fact that wolves eat the stomach contient and organs of their prey. Watch "The man who lives with wolves. That part was just televised. Up until he started studying and living with these wolves, not much was really known about them.
I'm not a big fan of feeding anything raw to my dogs except veggies. I've been feeding real food for over 50 years and have never had a dog get sick or have any health problems from it. I think I'll stick with tried and true. ;)

Babz 11-16-2008 04:00 PM

"Real food" is subjective here. So is tried and true. ;)

krisknr 11-16-2008 04:47 PM

1st let me say I am all for raw feeding.
But you will never convince me dogs are 100% carnivorous. It doesn't make sense. I believe what I see with my own eyes. All my dogs will gobble down a carrot the same way I eat chocolate cake!!
Try to give a cat a carrot and they won't even look at it.
I of course don't think they should be feed like cows all corn and wheat!!!
I don't know what to think about the stomach contents thing. On one hand stomach contents are putrid, but one of my dogs will eat poop so I will have to defer to experts on that one.:animal36

mizzwanned 11-16-2008 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by krisknr (Post 2334343)
1st let me say I am all for raw feeding.
But you will never convince me dogs are 100% carnivorous. It doesn't make sense. I believe what I see with my own eyes. All my dogs will gobble down a carrot the same way I eat chocolate cake!!
Try to give a cat a carrot and they won't even look at it.
I of course don't think they should be feed like cows all corn and wheat!!!
I don't know what to think about the stomach contents thing. On one hand stomach contents are putrid, but one of my dogs will eat poop so I will have to defer to experts on that one.:animal36


lol 1 of my dogs eats poop too:rolleyes:

duckie215 11-17-2008 11:13 AM

My cat eats oranges and berry's. I would say that just because you chose to eat something doesn't make it needed. My dog eats tin foil if given the option. he's a little crazy. :rolleyes:


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