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Vet says stop Prey Model Diet!! OK, now I am totally confused. Vet says Nolee is not getting the proper nutrients needed?? I brought him in for a ear problem which happened to be a yeast infection. He also has been having diarreha for a good while now. He even starting waking us up at nite to go poop. He has been on Prey model since May. He really has not ever had normal poop, as a little soft. Could it be his body not accepting the Prey diet?? I am so confused! She suggested a RAW Diet if I did not want to use commercial food. What do I do? Nolee was very picky until the Prey diet. She also said to cut back on his food, he is getting fat. He weighs 9 lbs. I am totally confused. :confused: |
When you say prey model, do you mean just feeding whatever raw meat and bones you have or do you feed certain amounts of muscle meat, organ meat, bones, etc.? I would not automatically think that a yeast infection in his ears is because of improper nutrition. Yorkies get them all the time. Diarrhea on the other hand is probably diet related. Or maybe it is not caused by a poor diet but could be just one of those things and may be able to be helped by a different diet. Did he start getting diarrhea when you changed his diet? Since there are so many forms of the raw diet, did the vet tell you exactly what they wanted you to switch to? Prepackaged? How many times a day does he poop? As for the overweight thing, I would cut down. It is better than health problems later. |
what is his normal feedings like? He could be getting too much of something and that could cause diareah. Too much muscle meat or too much organ meat can cause diareaha. |
I'm confused by some things in your post.... When you say he has "not ever had a normal poop" - do you mean since you've had him? If so, what exactly was his diet history if you've had him since he was a puppy? How old is he now? How long has he had diarrhea now? Are you following the 80/10/10 ratios of the Prey Diet? If not, that could be your problem. What do you mean your vet "suggested a RAW Diet" - do you mean a BARF diet? If you do want to continue raw, but want to discontinue prey model - you could move to pre-packaged raw/Barf diets like Natures Variety or Primal (I feed NV). But, I'm concerned about some of the stool issues you're having.... |
In addition to the other question.... how much bone is he getting in his diet? Usually more bone will firm up their poo..... |
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I told her I would not feed commercial food. She suggested this Homemade diet. Starting with cream of wheat, cottage cheese, cooked egg, yeast, sugar veg. oil, potassium chloride, dicalcium phophate and calcium carbonate. Then ground round, cooked rice, oil, dicalcium phosphate and a vitamin-mineral supplement. All cooked. He poops once a day. He has had soft stool more runny since I changed to Prey Model. Thanks! |
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TIA! |
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I probably am feeding a little more meat, 10% organs and bone every other day. I may not be giving him enough of something or too much of another. He has had soft to diarreha since on Prey Model. If I were to change, it would be raw. Where I live there are no place to buy pre-packaged raw/Barf diets and I find it is very pricey. I would be paying like $20 for shipping if not more. But if I have to do this I will. I want him healthy. |
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Are you feeding those percentages because that is what the vet recommended? If not, I would recommend cutting back on the liver/gizzards a little bit and maybe try chicken instead of turkey. Also, be sure to cut off the excess fat as they could contribute to your problem. |
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No, the vet is totally against Prey Model. He will not eat chicken. I have always cut the excess fat. Not sure what else to do. |
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The homecooked recipe that your vet recommended is the recipe that Hill's came up with to be the equivilent to one of their prescription diets. My vet gave a print off with ALL of the home cooked verison of the prescription diets. Dr. Amy and I talk extensively about feeding .... and food problems - both those caused by commerical diets and by homecooked ones. She does not recommend raw food. From her medical standpoint - domestic dogs are NOT the same animal as a wild dog and their nutrient requirements are different. The digestive system of the dogs have evolved over the years to accomodate cooked food - feeding raw can cause just as many digestive problems as feeding cooked.... I guess it comes down to finding what works for you and your kids. At Dr. Amy's recommendation, I won't feed raw, but I am working towards homecooking - working on acquiring a good source of organic protein - venison and I am STILL trying to find some hens for fresh free-range chicken eggs. |
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I don't really get the vet's diet either - wheat? Yeast? Cottage Cheese? No meat? I'm sorry your baby is having a hard time. Homecooking, Pre-Made Raw, and Prey are all healthy diets - I hope you can find one that works. I wish there was some way I could help... |
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Well I decided to order NV raw medallions and give this a try. It will be a few days to get it in. In the mean time I will add a little more bone and a little less organ. Is it my understanding that the NV raw medallions will have all the nutrients needed? No supplements will be needed? Will it be ok to start on the NV right away or do I need to mix? Thanks for you help! |
Thank you all for your suggestions! :animal36 |
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Great, thanks again!! I feel better now! |
You might want to join this rawfeeding group: rawfeeding : Raw Feeding for dogs and cats! And if you posted your question over there... I'm sure you'd get a lot of good advice! |
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OK, just got an email with the total cost with shipping for the NV raw medallions. $185. This is for 6 lbs of medallions. The rest is shipping! Need less to say, I will not be ordering this. I'll try increasing his bone intake and lessen the liver. Maybe this will work. If not I don't what else to do.:animal-pa |
If you can't get this worked out and raw doesn't seem to be working, you could switch to homecooked but that recipe from Science Diet doesn't look very good for GI issues. Cottage cheese? I think I'd go with something else. You could consult a nutritionist which is the best way to start homecooking but it is pricey. Otherwise you can order a recipe from Balance IT's website. If you do this I wouldn't recommend buying the recipe that tells you how much Balance It to use. I'd get the one that tells you how much and what human vitamins to use. These recipes will contain grains though. That is outrageous for the shipping.:eek: |
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Just wanted to let everyone know; I went to the yahoo website that was suggested and did as suggested by them and yourselves. I am soo happy to tell you all that last nite we did not have to get up to poop! Yea!! I hope this is not premature, but I was excited to tell everyone! All I did was increase the RMB to everyday and decreased the liver. Actually, took the liver away for a couple days. Today I gave Nolee about a quarter size with his breakfast. Hopefully we are headed the right direction!! I also order the NV freeze dried medallions. I will maybe add one medallion a day to his regular meal; or should I just feed it alone for one meal? Then, his PMR for the second meal? Thank you all for your help!!!:yay_jump: |
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The medallion could be a meal for him, depending on his weight - and/or depending on his other meal. Just to give some perspective - my Marcel (3.3 lbs.) eats 2 total medallions per day, my Wylie (7.5 lbs) eats 3 total per day - plus they usually get a Bully stick or some treats. :) I'm so happy for you :)! It sounds like the diet was just out of balance a bit. |
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