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MyFairLacy 04-05-2008 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Brookef18 (Post 1899976)
Oh my WORD!!!! I am both horrified and grateful to hear this... Horrified that those poor babies go through such pain!!! And grateful that Sadie didn't have to go through that. Yikes is docking really worth what they go through??? My breeder told me it was upsetting to take these little babies to get docked, and then bring them back to the mother with bloody stumps and then the mother is all upset as well... I'm SOOOO glad she doesn't dock. POOR CHEWY!:(
I've seen many many tail docks done on puppies....some actually sleep through it, others whine a little, some scream. In all cases, they are completely content once they are placed back with their mothers and quiet again. It's very quick

Nancy1999 04-05-2008 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mainegirl (Post 1894498)
My baby has a docked tail and I do love it but.....I was a vet tech for years and when they dock tails at 2-3 days old they clamp the tail and just cut it off. A little glue or suture at the end and that's that. No anesthesia and no painkillers because they are so young. (at least that's how it was done 10 years ago..maybe different now...)Those poor pups just scream and sream. I eventually refused to assist with tail docking (and cat declaws)..so I struggle with this. I would definatly if give a choice leave the tail..but my breeder shows and stays within the standard and I understand that. I love my breeder and would never buy from anyone else so that's a choice that I have to live with.
I am so sorry to read this, everything else I have read on the subject said that the pups hardly notice it when done early.

MyFairLacy 04-05-2008 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 1900055)
I am so sorry to read this, everything else I have read on the subject said that the pups hardly notice it when done early.
I really believe any screaming has more to do with being blind and in unfamiliar surroundings with strange things going on..than any pain felt. The bones are still soft in newborn puppies and they just don't feel pain like an older dog would. I really think any screaming has more to do with being taken away from its momma, being blind and deaf, being held and restrained by something it doesn't know, and just not knowing what's going on....I've seen puppies scream just as much when just being picked up as newborns or when crying for its mother.

Brookef18 04-05-2008 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1900061)
I really believe any screaming has more to do with being blind and in unfamiliar surroundings with strange things going on..than any pain felt. The bones are still soft in newborn puppies and they just don't feel pain like an older dog would. I really think any screaming has more to do with being taken away from its momma, being blind and deaf, being held and restrained by something it doesn't know, and just not knowing what's going on....I've seen puppies scream just as much when just being picked up as newborns or when crying for its mother.
I know you are training to be a vet and your post gives me some comfort but the thought of it turns my stomach! I like the looks of the docked tail but I hate the thought of it. I'm glad I have my two... And we aren't getting any more so no more worries for me! ;)

Nancy1999 04-05-2008 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Brookef18 (Post 1900075)
I know you are training to be a vet and your post gives me some comfort but the thought of it turns my stomach! I like the looks of the docked tail but I hate the thought of it. I'm glad I have my two... And we aren't getting any more so no more worries for me! ;)
I've read of breeders who do this, and say sometimes the puppy doesn't even wake up. So I think MyFairLacy is once again correct.

mainegirl 04-07-2008 07:18 AM
Just IMO but I believe any type of amputation without anesthesia would hurt. If you dropped the puppy it would feel the pain, if you stepped on it it it would feel the pain and if you cut the tail off it will feel the pain. Just makes sense to me. Where there are nerves there is pain. I've never seen a puppy sleep through a tail docking personally but like I said this is only my experience and my opinion and I surely I don't mean to offend anyone.

kezza 04-07-2008 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1893336)
Biewers do not have docked tails because the lines originated in Germany where it is illegal to dock tails.
Hurrah for Germany..I really really hope the rest of the world follows suit too!;)

My Pixie has her tail too..its sooo wonderful to see her expressing herself with it..it never stops wagging!

This is her at 14 weeks of age..the day she came home to us..she's now 10 months old!

kezza 04-07-2008 12:30 PM
http://www.advocatesforanimals.org/p...prohibited.pdf

YorkieAZ 04-07-2008 12:41 PM
I sincerely hate docking tails, :( I think it is barbaric. But in this country to follow the standard we have to for now. Hopefully this country will some day come to see how barbaric it truely is and we will get to enjoy the beautiful wagging tail. :D

kezza 04-07-2008 12:51 PM
If it was not practiced anymore and people got used to seeing this beautiful breed (and others that are usually docked) at the top shows complete with their tails, people would eventually get used to seeing the full tail and it would eventually not be called for anymore..would then stop In-experienced breeders making a mess of it and causing pain and suffering..in some cases even DEATH!:mad:

kezza 04-07-2008 12:59 PM
Go to the 'Advocates for Animals' website i posted above and look at the picture of the 11 puppies who died after their tails were cut off with a Stanley knife...heart breaking..:(

Nancy1999 04-07-2008 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kezza (Post 1904109)
Go to the 'Advocates for Animals' website i posted above and look at the picture of the 11 puppies who died after their tails were cut off with a Stanley knife...heart breaking..:(
Why would anyone do this? Did they purposely do this to protest docking? Sorry, I can't look at the picture.

kezza 04-07-2008 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 1904175)
Why would anyone do this? Did they purposely do this to protest docking? Sorry, I can't look at the picture.
The 'Breeder' did this because people call for the docked tail..for vanity..The 'breeder' was obviously In-Experienced and didn't want the cost of the vet bill..so the poor little darlings suffered...wouldn't have happened if Tail Docking was not called for...BAN it and GET USED to it!!! The sooner the Top Breeders are showing dogs with full tails the better..the general public will soon follow suit and accept it.:) :thumbup:

Nancy1999 04-07-2008 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by kezza (Post 1904239)
The 'Breeder' did this because people call for the docked tail..for vanity..The 'breeder' was obviously In-Experienced and didn't want the cost of the vet bill..so the poor little darlings suffered...wouldn't have happened if Tail Docking was not called for...BAN it and GET USED to it!!! The sooner the Top Breeders are showing dogs with full tails the better..the general public will soon follow suit and accept it.:) :thumbup:
Sounds like that breeder should never be breeding puppies. How stupid and then she took a picture of it?

kezza 04-07-2008 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 1904254)
Sounds like that breeder should never be breeding puppies. How stupid and then she took a picture of it?
No..the RSPCA (Royal Society For The Protection of Cruelty To Animals) here in the UK took the picture..probably to be used in evidence against the person responsible for this barbaric act..:(


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