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MyFairLacy · 11-01-2007, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by christyaran

Thank you. To tell you the truth I didnt know how difficult it was to breed like this. I didnt know that they get stuck in that manner. He has been checked for his genetic stuff & hes fine.STD's never check & i wouldnt think hed need to this is his first time. Hes an inside dog & goes to the vet regularly. I am researching all this tonight... i tried logging into the site 2 nights ago but wasnt able to get in for who knows what reason. But thats why im on now & asking everything. I will make sure to know alot more before he breeds the next time. This is my 1st time & all i want is for him to have his one experience once or twice & thats it. But thanks all for all the advice & for beating me up too! I will look at everything now before she does have her pregnancy. The female isnt mine & Im using him as stud service. But the owner & I are looking into alot of things. Thanks

You had all the genetic tests done but you didn't know that dogs tie? You actually took him to a specialist and had knees x-rayed and OFA certified, hips check, eyes check, ears checked, heart checked, liver cleared, etc?

MyTrixie143 · 11-01-2007, 05:51 PM

I completely agree with what everyone has said so far.
And I do think you should have done the research before you even decided to breed him. You can't just stick to dogs together and hope for the best, it doesn't work that way.
Hopefully you can learn from this. And if you do decide to breed him again, you will be more prepared, hopefully having done the homework and research, and know what to expect.

hha · 11-01-2007, 05:53 PM

I'm curious too..what does the male weigh, and what do the females weigh??

Ellie May · 11-01-2007, 06:22 PM

A few years ago I wanted to breed my Yorkie. I really had no clue what I was doing so I am so glad that I opted against it. It is a huge responsibility.

How old are the females and how much do they weigh?
How old is the male and how much does he weigh?

My Yorkie appears to be poorly bred. Now I have a Yorkie that has a long nose, no part down the center of her back, wavy fur, slightly large ears, roachback and elevated bile acids. I love her to pieces but one or both of her parents should have never been bred.

Please remember to remind the owner of the female that they need to set aside money in case the female needs a c-section (which could cost between $500-$1000 or more in some areas) on an emergency basis. There also has to be someone with the pups when they are born and they will need to be fed constantly if mom can't do it for some reason.

christyaran · 11-01-2007, 07:29 PM

To start off... This is the first time for the both of them, they were "virgins". So STD's wouldnt be a factor here. No he wasnt ever certified, but I did have the vet check him out about 2 yrs ago. The whole change in personality that you guys described has been him all his life, Hes marked around the house b/c theres another male in the house & hes humped toys or his bed.. bc thats just him. I have never seen one ounce of aggressiveness come from this dog, he is the absolute sweetest. I would have loved to have him as a stud a long time ago & let him be sexually active, but I guess its harder than you think to find females to mate with a male. It took 4 yrs for me to find the right female. I had turned down 3 females, b/c the owner(s) had "teacups" & I said no... I wouldnt allow Scoobie to breed with such a small dog, & all for the health reasons I have read. Scoobie himself is small, hes supose to weigh about 4lbs, but hes pure muscle, strong lil man. So he weighs about 5.5lbs as of a month ago. If you wanna have more of an idea... pass by his dogster. The female is bigger than him & she weighs about 7lbs. She is going to be 3 in Jan. I did go to that website where one of you posted. Interesting & thank you. Tonight... they did tie, & my husband & I were watching & were able to keep them calm until they unattached. The mother should be on her 62nd day by the 1st of jan, the owner will be out of town & bc her dog trusts me & is comfortable with me, I will be with her during that time. She will have the $$ left with me, if in case we have to have a c-section & then the cut of the puppies tails. I dont want to offend anyone but most of you are making it seem so much worse than what it really is. Its dogs, its nature... how many dogs go through this w/o loving homes that take care of them. Unfortunately... I didnt think it was like this, I knew they attached "tied" but didnt know this is what it looked like, I wasnt prepared. I am glad i came along & asked here & got all the help i did. THANK YOU! But none of you have the right to tell me I hope she's not pregnant, if she is well something right they did. Now I will be reading up on the information on the pregnancy & the labor & trust me i'll be prepared. Thanks all. This is my final message to everyone, b/c most of you hurt my feelings pretty bad, & i dont think thats right! Hope your all happy with this response!

YorkieShadow · 11-01-2007, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by christyaran

To start off... This is the first time for the both of them, they were "virgins". So STD's wouldnt be a factor here. No he wasnt ever certified, but I did have the vet check him out about 2 yrs ago. The whole change in personality that you guys described has been him all his life, Hes marked around the house b/c theres another male in the house & hes humped toys or his bed.. bc thats just him. I have never seen one ounce of aggressiveness come from this dog, he is the absolute sweetest. I would have loved to have him as a stud a long time ago & let him be sexually active, but I guess its harder than you think to find females to mate with a male. It took 4 yrs for me to find the right female. I had turned down 3 females, b/c the owner(s) had "teacups" & I said no... I wouldnt allow Scoobie to breed with such a small dog, & all for the health reasons I have read. Scoobie himself is small, hes supose to weigh about 4lbs, but hes pure muscle, strong lil man. So he weighs about 5.5lbs as of a month ago. If you wanna have more of an idea... pass by his dogster. The female is bigger than him & she weighs about 7lbs. She is going to be 3 in Jan. I did go to that website where one of you posted. Interesting & thank you. Tonight... they did tie, & my husband & I were watching & were able to keep them calm until they unattached. The mother should be on her 62nd day by the 1st of jan, the owner will be out of town & bc her dog trusts me & is comfortable with me, I will be with her during that time. She will have the $$ left with me, if in case we have to have a c-section & then the cut of the puppies tails. I dont want to offend anyone but most of you are making it seem so much worse than what it really is. Its dogs, its nature... how many dogs go through this w/o loving homes that take care of them. Unfortunately... I didnt think it was like this, I knew they attached "tied" but didnt know this is what it looked like, I wasnt prepared. I am glad i came along & asked here & got all the help i did. THANK YOU! But none of you have the right to tell me I hope she's not pregnant, if she is well something right they did. Now I will be reading up on the information on the pregnancy & the labor & trust me i'll be prepared. Thanks all. This is my final message to everyone, b/c most of you hurt my feelings pretty bad, & i dont think thats right! Hope your all happy with this response!

Im sorry you feel that way, But while reading this all I could think was Oh My Gosh those poor dogs. Is this person for real?

You said
I dont want to offend anyone but most of you are making it seem so much worse than what it really is. Its dogs, its nature...

Im sorry but it is bad, You could of hurt the female and your little male. you could of hurt him so bad that he would not be able to breed again, you never seperate them once they are stuck.and never throw warm water on them
When I was a young child I would see my neighboors running out the door pouring boiling water on dogs that was stuck and even then at a young age I knew they was hurting these dogs. and they too was adults. I use to cry for those poor dogs that was running from that hot water and ripping each others privates off. Im sorry but this makes me very angry. Please if your going to breed, then do your research before you kill your dogs.

s13silviagirl · 11-01-2007, 11:27 PM

Wow, you are taking offense to their replies. But, honestly, you come to a forum of dog lovers, and show the lack of research done on your part. Breeding isnt something to be taken lightly. There is a lot that can happen. These replies are coming from people that want the best for all animals in the world. They were not intending to hurt your feelings. There is a lot to consider after these babies are born. I mean, look how many dogs end up in the pound and in rescues? That is a lot.

You said he was never certified, but, that is an important part of breeding. Now, the fact you had a vet check him out...2years ago....

wow. A LOT can happen to him in terms of genetics in 2 years. He could develop LP, or have things going on a lot worse than that, stuff that isn't obvious.

I hope you continue to stay here on YT and learn, but really, you have to take everything that is said here with a lot of consideration. There are a lot of people on here with a TON of knowledge. They way you came across in your first post was that you did this for the fun of having your little guy breed. To me, that is what got you the replies that you recieved. Hope things turn out for the best for the little girl.

Itspuppyluv · 11-01-2007, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by christyaran

I dont want to offend anyone but most of you are making it seem so much worse than what it really is.

The people that have lost their females and puppies would have plenty to say to that.
And yes, it's dogs and nature but when things go horribly wrong for dogs without loving homes, nature isn't heartbroken.

I'm sorry you are getting upset by the responses but people are trying to help you out. As the owner of the male you have it easy. All the risk is now on the female. If you think you were not prepared for the mating, that is nothing compared to the delivery. Please learn as much as you can and make sure your vet is going to be available 24/7.

I hope you come back to tell us everything went very smoothly. Best of luck.

hha · 11-02-2007, 03:38 AM

You are right, it is natural for them(to mate and have puppies), but, the only thing, is with little dogs, they can have a problem when they're birthing..there was one lady that used to come in the other forum I'm on, that lost her pet when she started having her babies...she was so devastated, that she quit coming on the forum..her dog had had puppies before, but, this time it didn't work..

011011 · 11-02-2007, 03:44 AM

No one beat you up over this at all.
Common sense is all it takes and a bit of research or talking to your vet or another breeder who could of told you a few BASIC things about breeding.
If i would of seen my female dragging the male around (even if it was myfirst time breeding) I would of grabbed her and made her stand still!

011011 · 11-02-2007, 03:58 AM

I dont want to offend anyone but most of you are making it seem so much worse than what it really is. Its dogs, its nature...

Its just dogs, Huh .
They are not a pack of wolves who reproduce so they do not become extinct
so for nature to take its course it is natural to let wild animals breed unattended. Not pets they are not breeding to keep their species from becoming extinct. We are choosing them their mate and how many times they are bred because WE want puppies.

BamaFan121s · 11-02-2007, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by christyaran

Its dogs, its nature... how many dogs go through this w/o loving homes that take care of them.

Therein lies the problem--you view them as 'just dogs,' whereas the members and breeders here go out of their way to research and take every step possible to do what is best for their Yorkies. You went out of your way to find a female for the male to mate with....nothing very "natural" about that. If there is a litter resulting, it is because of what YOU did, not 'nature's way.' But now after you've interfered with "nature" you want to step back and leave it all up to the dogs, hmmm...
Sadly, based on your response, I doubt anyone here is going to get you to look at it any differently.

So I will say again that I hope for the sake of you FEMALE (not your sake) that she did not conceive and will not have to go through delivery and deal with "natures" consequences of having 2 owners that wanted their dogs to have the experience of being 'sexually active.' Given the fact that she could possibly have some serious damage to her uterus after having drug the male around, that is a strong possibility. And after having been told the damage that could have been done during the 'dragging' fiasco...you still bred them again!? Knowing they could be injurred?

I'm at a loss for words at this point. People are trying to help you out and give you advice--hopefully you will realize the severity of the situation and make a good decision for the dogs involved.

TLC · 11-02-2007, 05:52 AM

So you had him checked by a Vet 2 years ago. And what did you check for to 'deem' him breeding material??? What about the female? It is because of people like you and your neighbor that my dogs BOTH have Luxating Patella. It's b/c of people like you and your neighbor that BOTH my dogs have Liver Issues (MVD). It's b/c of people like you and your neighbor that my female has Trachea Collapse, Severe Allergies and most likely dental disease. It's b/c of people like you and your neighbor that my male has IBD, roach back and is missing most of his adult teeth, b/c they just never formed from his jaw bone. It's b/c of people like you and your neighbor that we have spent nearly $8000 in Vet bills already and they aren't even 3 years old. It's b/c of people like you and your neighbor that I sit and cry after I read all the petfinder listing of those abandoned/surrendered Yorkies b/c of health issues b/c of irresponsible breeders.

SHAME ON YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBOR.

Sounds like YOU and YOUR NEIGHBOR just want to make a quick buck at BOTH of your Yorkies expenses and possibly from the people who purchase from you.

Now, that's all I am going to say on this matter. I will be praying that the female does fine through this whole process. I hope you realize a lot things as well as a result of this and better think your actions through.

Ellie May · 11-02-2007, 05:53 AM

Yorkies are generally not allowed to tie after two times (three times max I believe). I hope those dogs aren't hurt.

Peters · 11-02-2007, 06:12 AM

if you dont know anything at all about breeding it shouldnt have been done.the male could be permanently damaged and should never have been allowed to be dragged around by his privates!

11-01-2007, 05:51 PM	#17
MyTrixie143 Mom to 6 Beautiful Furkids Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,409	I completely agree with what everyone has said so far. And I do think you should have done the research before you even decided to breed him. You can't just stick to dogs together and hope for the best, it doesn't work that way. Hopefully you can learn from this. And if you do decide to breed him again, you will be more prepared, hopefully having done the homework and research, and know what to expect. __________________ A dog is a furry person! http://www.dogster.com/?300866 Tracey and the gang DestinyHarmonyScamperGracieLillieKiwi Hershey Peppi

11-01-2007, 06:22 PM	#19
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	A few years ago I wanted to breed my Yorkie. I really had no clue what I was doing so I am so glad that I opted against it. It is a huge responsibility. How old are the females and how much do they weigh? How old is the male and how much does he weigh? My Yorkie appears to be poorly bred. Now I have a Yorkie that has a long nose, no part down the center of her back, wavy fur, slightly large ears, roachback and elevated bile acids. I love her to pieces but one or both of her parents should have never been bred. Please remember to remind the owner of the female that they need to set aside money in case the female needs a c-section (which could cost between $500-$1000 or more in some areas) on an emergency basis. There also has to be someone with the pups when they are born and they will need to be fed constantly if mom can't do it for some reason. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

11-01-2007, 07:29 PM	#20
christyaran Yorkie Talker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami Posts: 23	OK Final thought & answers.... To start off... This is the first time for the both of them, they were "virgins". So STD's wouldnt be a factor here. No he wasnt ever certified, but I did have the vet check him out about 2 yrs ago. The whole change in personality that you guys described has been him all his life, Hes marked around the house b/c theres another male in the house & hes humped toys or his bed.. bc thats just him. I have never seen one ounce of aggressiveness come from this dog, he is the absolute sweetest. I would have loved to have him as a stud a long time ago & let him be sexually active, but I guess its harder than you think to find females to mate with a male. It took 4 yrs for me to find the right female. I had turned down 3 females, b/c the owner(s) had "teacups" & I said no... I wouldnt allow Scoobie to breed with such a small dog, & all for the health reasons I have read. Scoobie himself is small, hes supose to weigh about 4lbs, but hes pure muscle, strong lil man. So he weighs about 5.5lbs as of a month ago. If you wanna have more of an idea... pass by his dogster. The female is bigger than him & she weighs about 7lbs. She is going to be 3 in Jan. I did go to that website where one of you posted. Interesting & thank you. Tonight... they did tie, & my husband & I were watching & were able to keep them calm until they unattached. The mother should be on her 62nd day by the 1st of jan, the owner will be out of town & bc her dog trusts me & is comfortable with me, I will be with her during that time. She will have the $$ left with me, if in case we have to have a c-section & then the cut of the puppies tails. I dont want to offend anyone but most of you are making it seem so much worse than what it really is. Its dogs, its nature... how many dogs go through this w/o loving homes that take care of them. Unfortunately... I didnt think it was like this, I knew they attached "tied" but didnt know this is what it looked like, I wasnt prepared. I am glad i came along & asked here & got all the help i did. THANK YOU! But none of you have the right to tell me I hope she's not pregnant, if she is well something right they did. Now I will be reading up on the information on the pregnancy & the labor & trust me i'll be prepared. Thanks all. This is my final message to everyone, b/c most of you hurt my feelings pretty bad, & i dont think thats right! Hope your all happy with this response!

11-01-2007, 11:27 PM	#22
s13silviagirl Donating YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sunny Southern California!!!! Posts: 1,877	Wow, you are taking offense to their replies. But, honestly, you come to a forum of dog lovers, and show the lack of research done on your part. Breeding isnt something to be taken lightly. There is a lot that can happen. These replies are coming from people that want the best for all animals in the world. They were not intending to hurt your feelings. There is a lot to consider after these babies are born. I mean, look how many dogs end up in the pound and in rescues? That is a lot. You said he was never certified, but, that is an important part of breeding. Now, the fact you had a vet check him out...2years ago.... wow. A LOT can happen to him in terms of genetics in 2 years. He could develop LP, or have things going on a lot worse than that, stuff that isn't obvious. I hope you continue to stay here on YT and learn, but really, you have to take everything that is said here with a lot of consideration. There are a lot of people on here with a TON of knowledge. They way you came across in your first post was that you did this for the fun of having your little guy breed. To me, that is what got you the replies that you recieved. Hope things turn out for the best for the little girl. __________________ My cute little Turbo butt! YES, we are also avid members of the CRAZYCLUB & Little Gentleman's Club! Turbo 's Tumi!!!

11-02-2007, 03:44 AM	#25
011011 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 1,432	No one beat you up over this at all. Common sense is all it takes and a bit of research or talking to your vet or another breeder who could of told you a few BASIC things about breeding. If i would of seen my female dragging the male around (even if it was myfirst time breeding) I would of grabbed her and made her stand still! Last edited by 011011; 11-02-2007 at 03:46 AM.

11-01-2007, 05:53 PM	#18
hha No Longer a Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Seneca, SC Posts: 2,837	I'm curious too..what does the male weigh, and what do the females weigh??

11-02-2007, 03:38 AM	#24
hha No Longer a Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Seneca, SC Posts: 2,837	You are right, it is natural for them(to mate and have puppies), but, the only thing, is with little dogs, they can have a problem when they're birthing..there was one lady that used to come in the other forum I'm on, that lost her pet when she started having her babies...she was so devastated, that she quit coming on the forum..her dog had had puppies before, but, this time it didn't work..

11-02-2007, 03:58 AM	#26
011011 YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: minnesota Posts: 1,432	I dont want to offend anyone but most of you are making it seem so much worse than what it really is. Its dogs, its nature... Its just dogs, Huh . They are not a pack of wolves who reproduce so they do not become extinct so for nature to take its course it is natural to let wild animals breed unattended. Not pets they are not breeding to keep their species from becoming extinct. We are choosing them their mate and how many times they are bred because WE want puppies.

11-02-2007, 05:52 AM	#28
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	So you had him checked by a Vet 2 years ago. And what did you check for to 'deem' him breeding material??? What about the female? It is because of people like you and your neighbor that my dogs BOTH have Luxating Patella. It's b/c of people like you and your neighbor that BOTH my dogs have Liver Issues (MVD). It's b/c of people like you and your neighbor that my female has Trachea Collapse, Severe Allergies and most likely dental disease. It's b/c of people like you and your neighbor that my male has IBD, roach back and is missing most of his adult teeth, b/c they just never formed from his jaw bone. It's b/c of people like you and your neighbor that we have spent nearly $8000 in Vet bills already and they aren't even 3 years old. It's b/c of people like you and your neighbor that I sit and cry after I read all the petfinder listing of those abandoned/surrendered Yorkies b/c of health issues b/c of irresponsible breeders. SHAME ON YOU AND YOUR NEIGHBOR. Sounds like YOU and YOUR NEIGHBOR just want to make a quick buck at BOTH of your Yorkies expenses and possibly from the people who purchase from you. Now, that's all I am going to say on this matter. I will be praying that the female does fine through this whole process. I hope you realize a lot things as well as a result of this and better think your actions through. __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

11-02-2007, 05:53 AM	#29
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	Yorkies are generally not allowed to tie after two times (three times max I believe). I hope those dogs aren't hurt. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

11-02-2007, 06:12 AM	#30
Peters YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,225	if you dont know anything at all about breeding it shouldnt have been done.the male could be permanently damaged and should never have been allowed to be dragged around by his privates! __________________ A pet's love is true right from the start, through good times and bad, like sharing one heart.