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Knot in top knot Lucy is almost 17 weeks old and she does fairly well with a top knot and bow but I just redid her knot and it has become one big knot! :eek: How do I get it fixed and how do I keep that from happening? |
Hi. I would recommend that when you remove the band, do so with scissors. It is so much easy and put causes pulling of hair. Do you put a band in first then the bow? You should band the topknot then use one the bands on the bow. You can get the scissors from mimimomo, Jenny, a yt'er. Her website is Toplinepet.com. she has many products for grooming. |
The scissors are really much better for your pet because there is no pulling and they are safe because they are not pointed. |
1 Attachment(s) I carry band removal scissors, too. I attached a picture so you can see how they work. You snag the band with the hooked end and snip. A little conditioner in the hair before you make the topknot helps, too. |
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I take Beamer's out and redo it every day. If I didn't it would probably get tangled or matted. (Is that what you mean by "one big knot") |
Yes, I do cut the band out. I do a band for the top knot and then I add the bow. I don't redo it every day- maybe thats the problem then? I'm hoping it will be easier to work with her hair once it is more of an adult coat. But yes, right now its one big tangle under the rubber band. :( I'm going to have to take her to the groomer to get it worked out. Should I maybe wrap the hair for the top knot? |
Before taking to the groomer, try putting cornstarch on your fingers and working it through the tangle. It may be easy to comb the mat out with the cornstarch. Even as an adult you should do the topknot every day. No, no need to wrap. Just get her used to having it done daily:) |
Cornstarch? I will give it a try...thanks! |
top knots should be removed every night and combed out. When they are left in they can cause tangles and mats (as you now know), hair breakage/damage, and, i'm guessing, headaches. You know when you have your hair up in a rubber band for a long time it starts to hurt or you get a headache from the constant pressure? i'm sure dogs get that too. I've also seen hair ripped out and bald spots created from top knots left in too long, put in too tight, or caught up in the skin. to get the mats out i work in a good detangler and try to pull it apart with my fingers first. then depending on the severity, i either use a comb to pick out the rest or a soft, small slicker brush to work it out starting at the ends of the hair. |
I've been to 2 groomers that put my baby's top knot in too tight. So tight that she couldn't close her eyes! Her eyes were extra wide open!:eek: They also, put the rubber band too close to the skin and the skin was stretched.:eek:Just thought I would throw this out since we were talking about top knots. I remember as a little girl when I wore my hair in a pony tail. I was so glad to take it down at night. I wonder if that contributed to my life-long misery with migraines???:confused: I imagine dogs can also be uncomfortable when their top knot is too tight. |
I left Lucy's topknot in too long! The groomer did such a fantastic job and she looked so cute . . . and the bow stayed in. And now it's just one big mat; even though I cut the bow and bands out - it's still staying in the shape of her topknot. Oh my. I'm going to try the detangler but I'll bet this will have to be cut out. |
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I spray a little leave in conditioner on Darcy before I put the topknot in, always cut the bands out, and spray a little conditioner on my comb before I comb her hair back out. I have heard of the cornstarch trick, but never tried it. |
I use a slicker brush to work out the matt. works great and I leave the band in for a week. |
My groomer advised against cornstarch because some pups are allergic to corn. She said to use powder instead. A slicker brush definitely works better with matts than any other brush or comb. |
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Make sure you are using the right size bands. Don't leave it in over night when they barely have enough coat to fit in it. You should never have to wrap pets. You need a conditioning spray. Never try to work out a dry one. Use a brush and butter comb with your fingers, patients. Powder is good for some breeds. Stick with something that will wet it. |
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Welcome back, Mary! Nice to see you!! |
Not to get too techical about it, but topknots can contain to distinct type of "knots". One is a webtype mass, and the other is a tangle or two. I spray in to top knot , a leave in conditioner or a lightweight oil. Always work from the ends inwards. I also use Vellus satin cream on the webtype mass. Leave in for a couple of minutes. I work with fingers and the end of a rat tail comb, and a brush. Section off a small piece of hair to work with. Then start at the end of hair on this small section. Part or finger comb this section to see what you are dealing with. If a tangle use the rat tail end of comb to gently detangle. then comb with wide tooth comb, then smaller tooth comb then brush root to tip. continue to whole top knot area done. Don't Panic. It can look like an ungodly mess, but with a fair bit of patience you can detangle and get through it. |
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So, the Johnson's baby powder that is pure cornstarch is not good. Maybe I just better stick with my Crown Royale Magic Touch spray and Cowboy Magic if he gets a bad matt (which he did yesterday - he had been out in the yard and came in with a huge matt caused by sand spurs getting in his coat - those darn things are horrible). Took me almost an hour to get it out, |
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They love anything that's yours There isn't any conditioning benefit to having it in there. Give it to your best friend. She will like the Chanel powder. I don't think it would take much time to get out a top knot if you have the right products. They usually look worst than they are. In the future, before he plays in the sand you should double band or give two top knots. This will help. |
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The sandspurs are what we call those little devilish things that seem to love the backyards in Florida. They are small green spiky things and they cling to the coat. They grow on grass like stems, and he must have got a whole stem of them in the one spot on his "shoulder".They are awful to get out. When you can work them loose, one at a time, you can usually comb the little devil out and then work on getting the next one out. There were at least a dozen in that spot. The hair sticks to them forming a "matt" We try and keep them down, and the yard was just mowed last week. We daren't use weedkiller because of the Yorkies. So we try and keep them mowed down. |
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You are on your own with those things. There's no strategy. Sand spur LOL Shoulder is the worst. |
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About half way through I just about reached for the scissors and cut the darn thing out, but I know I would have cried for a week if I cut his coat. But almost an hour was good, the other day it was 1 hour and 15 minutes! I just combed some more out of him a little while ago - and he was bathed and everything today! Bruce says he is going to see where in the yard he is getting into the things and get rid of them tomorrow (I am not holding my breath as he said that the other day too). |
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LOL Now you know what happens to a dog that isn't used to being in wraps does when you wrap him? The jacket would have spurs stuck to it when he rolls on his back trying to get the wraps out. Wonder if you soaked him in oil? I like braiding some sections or work a better offer with Bruce. ;) |
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