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Beamers Mom 10-14-2010 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3298863)
OK! Have you thought about braiding his coat before you let him out. Or better yet; and I know you're going to kill me for this one, wrapping his coat and putting him in a wrapping jacket.

Hmmm wrapping his coat I had thought about but never done it. He isn't a show dog, Never heard of a wrapping jacket.
Braiding his hair, that may be the easier way??? Just put braids in??? Anything special? Are there any pics anwhere of a Yorkie with braids?

If I get those wraps, are they reusable? And where do you get the wrapping jacket?
I would do anything to keep his coat free of those spurs. The Beggars lice I can handle much better - we have those here too, but they are easy to remove. Those spurs are a lot harder.

Mardelin 10-14-2010 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Beamers Mom (Post 3299045)
Hmmm wrapping his coat I had thought about but never done it. He isn't a show dog, Never heard of a wrapping jacket.
Braiding his hair, that may be the easier way??? Just put braids in??? Anything special? Are there any pics anwhere of a Yorkie with braids?

If I get those wraps, are they reusable? And where do you get the wrapping jacket?
I would do anything to keep his coat free of those spurs. The Beggars lice I can handle much better - we have those here too, but they are easy to remove. Those spurs are a lot harder.
Wrapping a coat is tedious and takes a lot of your time. If you leave them in, they do have to be checked daily. If you buy the plastic wraps they can be washed and reused. I have still have some from the first package I bought left. Wrapping jackets can be purchased through poochiepetite.com

Braids-just seperate the hair and put in lots of braids.

Elle 10-14-2010 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Beamers Mom (Post 3299045)
Hmmm wrapping his coat I had thought about but never done it. He isn't a show dog, Never heard of a wrapping jacket.
Braiding his hair, that may be the easier way??? Just put braids in??? Anything special? Are there any pics anwhere of a Yorkie with braids?

If I get those wraps, are they reusable? And where do you get the wrapping jacket?
I would do anything to keep his coat free of those spurs. The Beggars lice I can handle much better - we have those here too, but they are easy to remove. Those spurs are a lot harder.
It's easier to wrap one in a full coat than a short coat. But I think braids would be better. Unless you have a very rare yorkie, they'll usually go bananas trying to get the wraps out if they aren't used to them. Not to mention, it takes an hour to wrap. Plastics are cheaper, but they're hard to put in the coat if the coat isn't long and plentiful. You can buy plastic from finishing touch.

What about doing some scrunchy sections? Section with them, then put them in the pony tails about every 2"? What do you think about that Mary? That's quick, eh? The little tiny ones that some people use to keep them from peeing on the coat, or topknots.

Mardelin 10-14-2010 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3299058)
It's easier to wrap one in a full coat than a short coat. But I think braids would be better. Unless you have a very rare yorkie, they'll usually go bananas trying to get the wraps out if they aren't used to them. Not to mention, it takes an hour to wrap. Plastics are cheaper, but they're hard to put in the coat if the coat isn't long and plentiful. You can buy plastic from finishing touch.

What about doing some scrunchy sections? Section with them, then put them in the pony tails about every 2"? What do you think about that Mary? That's quick, eh? The little tiny ones that some people use to keep them from peeing on the coat, or topknots.
Small scrunch sections are great, it's what I do for my boys at show sites.

Finishing touch - Dog Bows: Dog Leads & Bows, Show Dog Bows and Show Supplies
Show Off
Lainee LTD

Are great places to get wraps. But doing a price comparison I find that Show Off has the best prices.

Elle 10-14-2010 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Beamers Mom (Post 3298862)
Gee thanks Elle - I thought you would have run right over and got rid of the sand spurs for me:D:D

About half way through I just about reached for the scissors and cut the darn thing out, but I know I would have cried for a week if I cut his coat.

But almost an hour was good, the other day it was 1 hour and 15 minutes!

I just combed some more out of him a little while ago - and he was bathed and everything today!
Bruce says he is going to see where in the yard he is getting into the things and get rid of them tomorrow (I am not holding my breath as he said that the other day too).
If you were nearby I would show you a way. But you aren't and cutting his coat is out of the question.

Another option would be to use satin creme through his coat then put a t-shirt on him. A t-shirt is going to make him tangle. But seeing that it's only for an hour at the most you should be okay. then go to the bath to rinse out if you have tangles or leave it in if you don't. Another one to ponder.

Beamers Mom 10-14-2010 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3299116)
If you were nearby I would show you a way. But you aren't and cutting his coat is out of the question.

Another option would be to use satin creme through his coat then put a t-shirt on him. A t-shirt is going to make him tangle. But seeing that it's only for an hour at the most you should be okay. then go to the bath to rinse out if you have tangles or leave it in if you don't. Another one to ponder.

Hmm maybe it would be a good idea to put T-shirts on him. The little tangles I don't mind at all, it is those horrible sand spur matts I abhor.

He likes to be outside. We have a doggie door and the dogs can come and go into the yard as they like. (I close it down around 10pm so they are not going to be going outside when we are in bed).
Beamer thinks he is a guard dog, and he has to be in the yard close to the fence so he can warn us when someone has the nerve to walk down the street without his permission:D or when our neighbour decided to work in her yard, he thinks we need to know she is outside:)

Elle 10-14-2010 06:52 AM
I've ordered from there. I haven't found anyone that carries the long silk. Your lead looked beaded in the video. Did you get your long time vendor to custom make it? Is it smaller than the beaded leads or the same size? I think I may try her.


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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3299067)
Small scrunch sections are great, it's what I do for my boys at show sites.

Finishing touch - Dog Bows: Dog Leads & Bows, Show Dog Bows and Show Supplies
Show Off
Lainee LTD

Are great places to get wraps. But doing a price comparison I find that Show Off has the best prices.

Mardelin 10-14-2010 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Elle (Post 3299211)
I've ordered from there. I haven't found anyone that carries the long silk. Your lead looked beaded in the video. Did you get your long time vendor to custom make it? Is it smaller than the beaded leads or the same size? I think I may try her.
Ah! I understand. The price comparison was the plastic wraps. I order from several different places, all dependent on who I get the better deal from.

Yes, Delilah's lead was custom made for her and me. Karen makes wonderful leads, according to my highth and the dogs neck piece preferance. Delilah prefers a braided satin neck piece.

She'll be in Vegas or do you want me to PM you her info?

Elle 10-14-2010 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3299220)
Ah! I understand. The price comparison was the plastic wraps. I order from several different places, all dependent on who I get the better deal from.

Yes, Delilah's lead was custom made for her and me. Karen makes wonderful leads, according to my highth and the dogs neck piece preferance. Delilah prefers a braided satin neck piece.

She'll be in Vegas or do you want me to PM you her info?
I have her info. Thank you though. A better price is always better.

Ringo1 10-15-2010 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3298745)
Not to get too techical about it, but topknots can contain to distinct type of "knots". One is a webtype mass, and the other is a tangle or two.

I spray in to top knot , a leave in conditioner or a lightweight oil. Always work from the ends inwards. I also use Vellus satin cream on the webtype mass. Leave in for a couple of minutes.

I work with fingers and the end of a rat tail comb, and a brush. Section off a small piece of hair to work with. Then start at the end of hair on this small section. Part or finger comb this section to see what you are dealing with. If a tangle use the rat tail end of comb to gently detangle. then comb with wide tooth comb, then smaller tooth comb then brush root to tip.

continue to whole top knot area done.

Don't Panic. It can look like an ungodly mess, but with a fair bit of patience you can detangle and get through it.
Oh, Lucy had the 'webtype mass' all right. I sprayed lots of detangler in there and tried to comb it out without hurting her. She was not liking that at all!

She is at the groomer's today. I told them if they had to pull too hard; just to cut it out and we would let it grow back out.

The groomer didn't look too askance so maybe it wasn't as bad as I thought.

**Note to self** do NOT leave bow in hair for two weeks no matter how well it continues to look. Lesson learned. She hates for me to put a bow in her hair so I was trying to leave well enough alone. Never again

gemy 10-15-2010 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Beamers Mom (Post 3299197)
Hmm maybe it would be a good idea to put T-shirts on him. The little tangles I don't mind at all, it is those horrible sand spur matts I abhor.

He likes to be outside. We have a doggie door and the dogs can come and go into the yard as they like. (I close it down around 10pm so they are not going to be going outside when we are in bed).
Beamer thinks he is a guard dog, and he has to be in the yard close to the fence so he can warn us when someone has the nerve to walk down the street without his permission:D or when our neighbour decided to work in her yard, he thinks we need to know she is outside:)
Okay you can get the scrunchies at the dollar store. Get a medium size, as your fingers might be able to handle that better. I used these for Razz when he was a pup, and we were going in swimming. tie up the hair, shoulders body, loin, and chest then put on wrapping jacket, and off he goes out to play. Now you will get some mats from this, but if you take off jacket and bands after only one hour shouldn't be too bad.

Depending on the thickness of his coat you might get away with one only scrunchie for each side of his body, from back of the shoulder, to in front of the loin.

Beamers Mom 10-15-2010 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3300366)
Okay you can get the scrunchies at the dollar store. Get a medium size, as your fingers might be able to handle that better. I used these for Razz when he was a pup, and we were going in swimming. tie up the hair, shoulders body, loin, and chest then put on wrapping jacket, and off he goes out to play. Now you will get some mats from this, but if you take off jacket and bands after only one hour shouldn't be too bad.

Depending on the thickness of his coat you might get away with one only scrunchie for each side of his body, from back of the shoulder, to in front of the loin.
Thanks Gail:)

Bruce has been working in the yard, so I am hoping he has got rid of those weeds along the fence where I am sure Beamer gets them from. The other Yorkies don't have a problem with them - but then Beamer is the only one with a long silky coat.


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