As was I.

Oh boy... if she wants to sneak her dog on a flight so be it. Rules are not law and just because its a rule or law doesnt mean its right. It was law to have slavery. How dare those people hide those slaves on the underground rail road. There also a lot of illegal immigrants, but that doesnt stoo anyone from letting them cut your grass, install siding, or build a kitchen. Where talking about a dog on a flight. Please... dont judge. Just live your life.

Well, don't you think it's not just about what we individually might think are unfair laws or rules - and those maybe should be confronted openly to send a message - it seems to be about whether the individual thinks they should be able to flout a law or rule they don't like anytime while others are having to follow them in respect of our system and also about paying your fair share vs. trying to sneak and get by free when others pay up. If we all just lived by the particular laws/rules we like and practice individual anarchy at will, we wouldn't have a very successful economy or country. Only speaking up and not cheating can help change things we don't like about anything.

When you say "Please... dont judge," you are actually judging those that took a stand for abiding by the rules.

When someone buys a ticket to travel by air, they are not just buying a service, they are entering into a legally binding contract. https://www.google.com/search?q=buyi...hrome&ie=UTF-8 In doing so, one agrees to abide by their rules. If you think it is OK for someone to enter into a contract and then ignore the terms, don't complain when you enter into a contract with someone and they decide to go against it, ignore the terms, and do whatever they want. Don't complain if that happens, because that would be "judging!"

Let's keep things in perspective here... were talking about a dog on a flight not a multi-million dollar deal. Nobody is perfect and I am sure each one of us does something another would deem wrong. This is why we are individuals and lucky enough to have some control over our lives.

This pedalstool some of you have placed yourself on in mind boggling. A dose of humility can go a long way.

Me personally, I'd pay the fare. If someone else doesn't, then they don't. I don't care really. Should they pay the fare? Yes. Destined for hell if they don't? Ummm....

Since everyone wants to be extreme... Is a starving person who takes a loaf of bread the same as the person who wants to skip out on their meal just because?

But...

Since we are talking about pets on airplanes... I'll keep it there. If they pay the fee good. If they don't they don't and it doesn't mean they are a horrible person. Just like if someone pays the pet fare they are a model citizen. Please.

Someone metioned karma. Karma comes around regardless. That is why good things happen to bad people, bad things happen to good people and vice versa.

Nobody is perfect. A perfect person wouldn't be here or looking down at others in such a drastic way.

Sounds like organized religion.

Sounds like a lot of things.

Big or little, stealing is stealing and wanting to get something for nothing off the back's of others. But let OP or anyone else sneak something from their defenders or say one of their defender's place of business or employer, it is a different matter!!! No one wants to be a victim themselves - only someone else or someone else's company is a good victim.

I'm not on a pedestal. I'm very down to earth. I just believe that when I give my word, even if not entering into a contract, that I should keep it. Simply really, not complicated at all. Not high-horse, not judgmental.

A person is only as good as their word. I've seen, a little too close for comfort, what happens to people when they don't keep their word and others lose trust in them. I've seen people lose their families over it, and it takes years, if ever, for them to earn that trust back. So I see it as something very valuable and precious, a very simple thing, but not to be taken lightly.

No, this isn't a multi-million dollar deal. But there is a contract involved, entered into voluntarily by anyone that buys a ticket. As such, the law applies. We are not talking about breaking a "rule" (like "don't dive into the shallow end of the pool" or "don't run around the pool"). And it isn't the same as paying for a service, like walking into a hair salon and asking for a haircut and paying $50, or whatever, in exchange for that service. It is a contract, legally binding. Very simple and non-judgmental, because if they are caught, there is no judgment to be made, the terms of the contract have already laid out the consequences should either party break any terms of the contract. (Kinda one-sided on the side of the airline, but that is another subject).

"This pedalstool some of you have placed yourself on in mind boggling. A dose of humility can go a long way."

There is some more judging! However, I see the person that lives by their word, and keeps their promises (whether verbal or in a legal contract) is the one with the humility. It is the person that tries to get by with getting around the contract, that tries to see what they can get by with, they are the one with hubris!

Very well said.

Usually when people steal things/services, others who play by the rules end up paying the price.

Good grief, Teri, I didn't realize how that terse reply was sitting there and obviously something happened and I didn't finish my posting thoughts and frankly, forgot my thought by now but, ouch, I never intended to be so tacky & abrupt. I had never paged all the way up and saw that before today and I thought what twit posted like that and was shocked to see it was ME!:eek: Geez, I'm sorry and I don't know my second sentence didn't make it on. Maybe could it be I usually just post in a smallish window or sometimes duplicate a tab to go back and look at a post or two, look at a name or something and I guess I did that to look, posted the second sentence on that second tab, the phone probably rang and when I got off, saw I still had an open reply and just hit submit on the short one of just to two beeeaaatchy words and probably just closed out my browser or something. Truth is, I don't know what I did but I promise I didn't men to answer you like that! I am so sorry and then to not see it for so long. How long how it been hanging out there like that? :confused: :) Apologetically yours, Jeanie :confuse8::sad::embarasse

Words mean nothing without action. You know the whole "actions speak louder than words". Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if it is differen't. I don't condone stealing and I think people should do the right thing even if it is easy to do the wrong thing.

Yes, things should be simple, but it's not so simple when people add complex issues that do not compare to a dog on an airplane. This is why I don't get it and it seems others are putting themselves on a pedastal and I didn't mention anyone specific. I am not judging, I just don't see that way.

I keep things simple, pay the fare, don't pay the fare. I will pay the fare and I have nothing to worry about. Prices go up whether everyone pays their fair share or not.

Funny thing is... this is the reason I even posted on this thread. I was like people are getting a bit too rilled up over this.

LOL. Oh, okay. Well, some good came out of it! :D

Yeah... no worries. Just conversing.

Well, normally, I am not a sharp-edged beeaatch like that one reply testifies so loudly, least I hope not. :)

Jeanie,
Thank you so much for your apology. I appreciate the public and pm that you sent. It was so sweet of you. It is all good. This thread has been a passionate one. It is still going. But do not worry about it. I know you are a good person. Thanks again. Big hugs Teri

Well I just felt so bad when I saw that! I need some eye surgery - better go ASAP. LOL. :)

If it is such a pain and you are just soo cheap to pain for your pet to fly why in the heck are you taking them in the first place?? And I have been known to taddle on people sneaking on pup's because somebody needs to make sure the dog has all it's shots since it is riding on the same place with my Guinness!!!

??? Even the times I've paid for my pet, NEVER have I been asked to show proof of shots...Alligant is the only airline that That has ever asked for anything and at that it was a "health certificate", never proof of shots. :cool:

I'm pretty sure the bigger airlines request UTD on shots, but the poor people behind the counters failed to asked. Which is also why my boyz have flown free, they forgot to ask for payment upon check in:rolleyes:

I will fly in 2 weeks with Aphrodite ( yorkie)to Germany... I cost me $200 one way also $400 for the round trip ... It also crossed my mind to sneak her on the plan... But my bad feeling got the better of me.... And I called the airline and made registration for Aphrodite ...I can see that the airline charging for a dog... But the price is to high... Considering that the carrier takes the place of your handbag... So you can not have that extra bag for your laptop etc.............now my friend on the other hand,has no problem sneeking her dog on a plane,never got cut in 5 year of doing so ... She has her pup in the arm going to security than befor she goes on the plan she puts her in her oversize handbag..it is just not for me to do so...still not agree with the ticket price .... International flight 2 dogs in cabin

Healthcertificate incl proof of shoots and the dog need to be microchipped before the shoots ,now that is what we had to do for Aphrodite to fly international ....i do not know what it is for flights within the us

I wouldn't even bother trying to sneak a dog on an international flight. It is simply not worth the possible repercussions when you get to your destination. Plus, depending on the country destination, they may not be nice enough to say pay the fee. They may detain you and your dog and try and arrest you. Not a good way to spend a trip.

Right I agree, that is why made reservations for Aphrodite ... It will cost me $400 dollars Lu's the cost of 2 health cerficate... I will and would not take a chance ... Just think the price is high...but I choose to take her so I pay the price

We fly a great deal and I have seen and know of several people who were taken off the plane for sneaking their dog on. Both that I know of recently lost their tickets and the airline refused to rebook them.

I think on both flights they Lready had the maximum number ofmdogsmon the plane. An ailinemcountermpersonmtold me once that they are not obligated to rebook anyone who has broken the rules with a pet. They may depend on the airlines though.

I think what the airlines charge to have a dog is really wrong... but I still pay. Why? Because I am not willing to suffer the consequences if I get caught not paying. I do not steal, I do not cheat, and try not to lie, but to charge for a dog when the dog is not taking space or changing anything that is happening on the flight is their way of making money I guess. It is my choice to pay or not to bring the dog.

Now... I agree with checking for shots (I think it is only rabies) and limiting the number of dogs on a flight due to algeries of other passengers.

When I book.. I book the dog too.. I am not too sure I would remind them of the fee if they didn't charge me lol.. but knowing me I would be afraid not too:rolleyes:

I agree with you Lil Sis,
I think they will be charging us for our purses soon. Anything to make a buck :D
I have never been asked for the health certificate in the state since the 1990s but do get asked for it on overseas flights.

Cali does want to growl at them when they run the wand over here as we go through the check point!

lol...