Oh yea that ebay forum is brutal

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I agree. I have posted several times and gotten totally off the wall responses that have not a lot to do with what I was asking. I posted A LOT my first month. Now I come on very rarely. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that this is an online site and not many people know eachother "in person." So people feel free to type whatever they want because they are not face to face with eachother.

i agree

[QUOTE=JiggityJig;1091585]Every time this subject comes up, I sorta have to laugh. :D YT is definitely one of the NICEST sites I've been on on the web, including other pet sites. I've been on some boards where people are BRUTAL with their opinions! :D I think everyone here does a pretty good job, most of the time, expressing themselves politely.

That sd. I also see the other side...that, especially on the breeding topic, there CAN be a certain snobbery, and yes, that can be a turn-off.

But by and large, I really like YT just as it is. There are a lot of pet sites that are just all about oohing and ahhing over each other's puppies, and all the warm fuzzies....and there are a lot of sites that are strictly clinical and informative. I think we have a good balance here, and I'd hate to see one sacrificed for the sake of the other.

I'm sensing that a lot of people come here for the community and the relationships....but a lot of us don't. A lot of us aren't here looking for "friends" and "bonding" and "kumbaya" moments. Yes, we come here to see cute puppies :D, but mainly for the INFORMATION and learning opportunities. And sometimes the exchange of experiences and opinions can get controversial. I like to think that we are all adults, and can handle that.

I'll just copy-n-paste what I just sd. on this subject in another thread:

I like that YT isn't a place where people get their hands held and their heads patted, no matter what. Yes, sometimes opinions could get expressed in a nicer way. But ultimately, this place is about EDUCATION...not warm fuzzies.

Breeding is a huge responsibility, both to the little furry lives they bring into the world, and to the customers who hand over their wallets and their hearts and their TRUST. I absolutely think that anyone who takes all that on should not be held ABOVE accountability.

And I always think about allllllll the people (who we forget about) who aren't even members of this board, but are just out there reading. Or who just happen by here one night looking specifically for a breeder to purchase a pup from. Or who maybe stumble on one thread through a google search or something.

This could be the only thread that person ever reads at YT. This could be the only time that person EVER hears some of the basic standards of responsible breeding that are just taken for granted by most of us now. And before that person gets intrigued by an interesting story, or lured by cute puppy pics, and *clicks* on that breeder's website, possibly never to return here....I think that YT has the great opportunity, if not the responsibility, to point out any red flags that they notice first.

It's our opportunity to make a difference!!! And I know that YT made a difference in MY yorkie buying experience in this way, and for that, I am thankful. It's definitely something I would hate to see us lose, in the name of "support" or "positivity" or "relationships".[/QUOTE]

I really like what you, Txshopper and Yorkiedaze have had to say on this topic. I am glad too that this site is not all gushing over each other's pets (even though we have every right to do that too). I like when someone points out what they feel are less than optimal breeding practices. I like the discussions that turn to civilized debates. I have never learned as much as when I had no support my own opinion!

I don't look at the posts that disagree with someone's breeding programs as attacks or rudeness. I view them as someone trying to help improve -- not just the one they are posting about, but all those who read the thread today and all the tomorrows that post hangs around.

It is natural for threads to veer off the original specific topic -- almost all of them do unless they die an early death. That is how discussion works. You start with one topic, and another person adds or looks at a different aspect, and it just keeps growing and transforming as it goes.

We all reply with less courtesy than we should at times. We all get a little too sensitive at times. The real measure of success comes in being able to acknowledge that and move on. No need to dwell on it or brood over it. We are all adults (well almost all). As long as no one attacks a person directly, there should be no major problems. Sort of like child rearing -- they are not bad kids, they just do occasional bad things. Same here -- when someone says something about a person's breeding practices, they are not saying they are against that person themself -- just their way of doing business. I have to remind myself of that sometimes when I get too touchy. We are a diverse bunch and what really is amazing is that this many pesonalities can come to one place and get along as well as we do! JMHO once again.....

Debra, I don't think I have shared this with you, but I really enjoy your posts, and have an immense amount of respect for you...........:)

Sorry, hit submit before I was done posting, and then my computer froze.
In any case, you get your point across without being disrespectful, that I admire greatly.

I know that I come across too strong (or rude or blunt, whatever you want to call it) more often than not it seems and I apologize. I will make an honest effort to try to be more tactful in the future. I know there are sometimes I read back over something I said and think it may have been taken better had it been worded differently.:(

However, it feels like lately some people only post in the breeder section lately to point out that a post was rude or off topic, and not to add anything to the conversation, which makes them just as bad, IMO.

Most of the more...opinionated, shall we say...post (mine included) I notice come about when the topic being discussed is something that I think the majority here agree is a no-no...breeding tinies, out of standard, improper care and testing, etc etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but we're are all members here because we love these dogs and we all only want what is best for this breed as a whole. When these controversial topics come to light, it is only natural that some people really get worked up over it.

Threads are going to go off topic from time to time--no avoiding that. It only seems to be a complaint when people don't get the answers they wanted or it something being brought to light that they didn't want to mention (like oh yeah, this prego female tied with a 15 pound male) or when it becomes a discussion about who was rude and why. For example, if someone is asking what day they should breed their female, and 5 days ago they were discussing her LP surgery, you can bet your bottom dollar that someone is probably going to bring it up and suggest that she shouldn't be bred period. Unfortunately, that kind of thing seems to be taking backseat because there are so many quick to jump in that 'that wasn't the question asked' and 'it was rude to say' and 'how dare you mention something I talked about last week.' It's really disturbing that the health and well being of the dogs is getting pushed aside because people are more concerned with who's being nice and who is being snobbish and who knows more because of where they are and how long they've been here and blah blah blah.

No one on here is perfect in everyway by everyone else's eyes. I'm certainly not, not the breeders, or pet owners or show breeders...NONE of us. Likewise, not everyone here that joins (as much as I hate to say it) does what is right for their dogs, and there is no denying that. Is it mine or anyone elses devine power to make that call and know 100% that we got it right? No, it's not. But if there is something 'fishy' I don't see why anyone should be too worried about getting jumped on and accused of being 'a snob' and 'attacking' to bring it up. Maybe that person will honestly learn something. Maybe these issues being brought up...regardless of if they were part of the original topic...will save a member here from getting a sick pup or getting scammed. But what good would come from it if no one said anything?

I remember once (not sure if it was this forum or another) there was someone looking for information about breeding her female, who most agreed should NOT be bred. (Poor health, rescue, tiny size, no info on parents) The person became very defensive when people suggested that she spay the female and love her as a pet. She and those who came to her defense were so rude that down the road, she needed help with some issues and those she'd lashed out against didn't step in. In the end, she had to have a emergency section on the poor girl, ended up losing all the pups and almost the mother. I'm sure if she could do it all over again, she'd rather have the harsh truth. What if it would have made a difference and saved her the heartache she endured? And what if others had the chance to learn and not make the same mistakes?

Bama I am glad you are there to protect the dogs. :thumbup:

;) You know Cindy...I really don't like your tone here. Just because you have a house full of rescues and have dedicated your life and years and years to it doesn't mean you have the right to tell me you are glad I am here because you know what? I'm glad YOU protect them too! So there!...:p

Ha ha...just kidding. Sorry, things were getting a bit thick...:D

I don't even go near the breeding section anymore, I am looking for another female, but I can't stand all the crap that goes on and nasty comments...YT is a great place but I think sometimes people type before they think, I understand the concern from some, but others can be very rude...:(

I hear what everyone's saying, but just want to say that, while things occasionally get out of hand, overall, there are a TON of threads on here that go very well.

To me, YT is still a great place to spend some time!

:thumbup: A much better alternative to cleaning my house!:p

So true girl....:p

I have also noticed a lot of rude comments. There are ways of letting people know how you feel without being so rude about it. I understand that at times there are things that people feel they need to say that are very judgmental and there is no easy way to say it-I understand that, but there are also times that it seems some may go out of there way post a rude comment, bash someone, or try to make someone look or feel like they are stupid. I try to ignore those posts. Also I have noticed that most of the rude posts are by the same people over and over. I still LOVE YT though. And I have come to realize that there are rude people everywhere-at work, at church, at wal-mart and YT is no different. We just have to learn to live with them. MOST of what we consider to be a rude poster may be someone who does not even realize what they have typed was even rude-it is just the truth in their eyes.