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Sugar's Mom 01-27-2011 10:24 AM
Admin question
 
Is it possible to put a sticky somewhere to educate people on Yt how tags are to be used? I see a lot of ignorant or abusive tags that have no value to anyone at all. Especially in the Yorkies for sale forum. Here at the bottom of this thread is a "for instance".

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...le-yorkie.html

These tags serve no purpose whatsoever. There are several in the for sale forum like this. They are worthless to anyone looking for a yorkie. I sure wish you could put a sticky somewhere and also the repercussions for abusing the tag system. Thanks.

chachi 01-27-2011 10:36 AM
Well in that thread they dont seem to be necessary but I dont see the harm in the tags that were used. Ive seen people severly maligned with tags and I do think when someone abuses them there should be consequences but there isnt enough of admin and mods to go arround. There is now way they can keep up on all threads and tags of threads. A lot falls on the members to just be respectful

BonBon 01-27-2011 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 3407570)
Is it possible to put a sticky somewhere to educate people on Yt how tags are to be used? I see a lot of ignorant or abusive tags that have no value to anyone at all. Especially in the Yorkies for sale forum. Here at the bottom of this thread is a "for instance".

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...le-yorkie.html

These tags serve no purpose whatsoever. There are several in the for sale forum like this. They are worthless to anyone looking for a yorkie. I sure wish you could put a sticky somewhere and also the repercussions for abusing the tag system. Thanks.
I normally don't even notice the tags, but I checked the thread you linked out of curiousity. I only see 3 tags on it - Chicago, girl, wanted. I'm not disagreeing with you about the use of tags, but I don't see what's abusive about these? Or were there others that have already been removed?

jojomima 01-27-2011 10:59 AM
Sorry to sound so dumb, but what the heck is a tag?

ladyjane 01-27-2011 11:02 AM
I think that people need to realize what tags are. They are simply terms that can be used to search for something!
I fail to see how that could malign a person. There are people on this forum that do that and I think it is quite immature; but honestly they are not causing any problems for anyone because unless someone searches for the term they are using, no one will ever see them. And, all it is going to do is make a thread pop up on a search...so what?

Unless I am incorrect, here is what I believe they are:
Any word or topic in a thread can be searched, but if there is a word or topic not in that thread that would make the thread pop up during a search, then that is what the tag is used for. Yes, you could put any term in there, but that only would make the thread come up in a search...it does not label someone.

chachi 01-27-2011 11:11 AM
Well Ive seen people put in a tag with name calling that would have resulted in a suspension if it were said in a post and thats what I meant by maligned

ladyjane 01-27-2011 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3407626)
Well Ive seen people put in a tag with name calling that would have resulted in a suspension if it were said in a post and thats what I meant by maligned
I understand...that is why I said what I did about immature.

But, the OP seems to think it is a problem and a label and really it is not...at least not if tags do what I believe they do. she is correct about them being useless. No one is going to search for some of the terms I have seen....just silly stuff.

chachi 01-27-2011 11:22 AM
Gotcha! I didnt see anything remotely wrong with the thread she put up and dont see anything wrong with most. I do think people get the impression its labeling

ladyjane 01-27-2011 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3407640)
Gotcha! I didnt see anything remotely wrong with the thread she put up and dont see anything wrong with most. I do think people get the impression its labeling
Yep, I am hoping the admin will explain them. Maybe I am wrong, but I think they are far from what people think they are.

chattiesmom 01-27-2011 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3407626)
Well Ive seen people put in a tag with name calling that would have resulted in a suspension if it were said in a post and thats what I meant by maligned
I do believe that the same rules apply to all areas of YT. I know that they apply to pm's as well as posts.

If each one of us would take a moment to report those things we feel are problematic, rude, or in violation of rules, then more threads would be closed, more hands would be slapped and perhaps YT would be a bit more pleasant to those of us who prefer purring to cat fights.

ladyjane 01-27-2011 11:28 AM
An example of what I mean.....

Say there is a thread where someone does not like someone and they put jacka$$ in the tags. I guess it makes them feel good that they can "get away" with calling someone a jacka$$, but other than that, what does it mean?

Who is going to do a search for jacka$$ ? No one! So...totally useless. I think that even explaining it to some would not stop the childishness...and probably better to ignore the tags just the way we ignore certain people.

ladyjane 01-27-2011 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by chattiesmom (Post 3407653)
I do believe that the same rules apply to all areas of YT. I know that they apply to pm's as well as posts.

If each one of us would take a moment to report those things we feel are problematic, rude, or in violation of rules, then more threads would be closed, more hands would be slapped and perhaps YT would be a bit more pleasant to those of us who prefer purring to cat fights.
I can tell you that I would put money on the fact that many people report threads day in and day out....

I feel sorry for admin and Wylie's Mom some days as I know they are inundated with complaints from people who don't understand the ignore feature.

I do think that totally outrageous violations of YT policies should be reported; but I also will bet that people report lots of things that are just not making them happy and have nothing to do with rules.. I don't think there is a lack of reporting happening.

chattiesmom 01-27-2011 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3407660)
I can tell you that I would put money on the fact that many people report threads day in and day out....

I feel sorry for admin and Wylie's Mom some days as I know they are inundated with complaints from people who don't understand the ignore feature.

I do think that totally outrageous violations of YT policies should be reported; but I also will bet that people report lots of things that are just not making them happy and have nothing to do with rules.. I don't think there is a lack of reporting happening.
You are entitled to to your opinions. The ignore function is a good tool when another member simply annoys you. However each rule here at YT was initiated due to specific needs to help ensure a civilized community. Each one of us agreed to comply with those rules when we registered and according to the report button, we have the right to "report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. "

bchgirl 01-27-2011 12:18 PM
Tags may be a moot point...since the largest search engine...google no longer uses them.

ladyjane 01-27-2011 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chattiesmom (Post 3407734)
You are entitled to to your opinions. The ignore function is a good tool when another member simply annoys you. However each rule here at YT was initiated due to specific needs to help ensure a civilized community. Each one of us agreed to comply with those rules when we registered and according to the report button, we have the right to "report spam, advertising messages, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. "
No one said that people don't have a "right"....I am simply saying that my guess is that there is no lack of reporting. And, my other guess is that most of the complaints are unfounded...simply people wanting things to go their way. I have seen so many people who fail to understand your first line....and that is that each is entitled to his/her opinions. :)

ladyjane 01-27-2011 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 3407745)
Tags may be a moot point...since the largest search engine...google no longer uses them.
That brings me to a question that I am not clear on: Are those tags for the forum searches or for the internet?

chattiesmom 01-27-2011 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3407772)
No one said that people don't have a "right"....I am simply saying that my guess is that there is no lack of reporting. And, my other guess is that most of the complaints are unfounded...simply people wanting things to go their way. I have seen so many people who fail to understand your first line....and that is that each is entitled to his/her opinions. :)
I will let you have the last word because I am sure you will respond and this is my last post in this thread -- have better things to do :D

Unfortunately most people don't understand that with rights come responsibilities. What I am reading from your post is "guesses" that are unfounded unless Admin(s) and/or Moderator(s) take you into thier confidence. I have way to much respect for both to think that they would undermine YT in that manner.

Back to the OP's question/concern. I have seen all too often members using the tag function to identify the thread, the op, certain individuals posting in the thread, etc. in a manner that is rude and insulting. Not only is that childish, it is an underhanded way to attack another member.

ladyjane 01-27-2011 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by chattiesmom (Post 3407789)
I will let you have the last word because I am sure you will respond and this is my last post in this thread -- have better things to do :D

Unfortunately most people don't understand that with rights come responsibilities. What I am reading from your post is "guesses" that are unfounded unless Admin(s) and/or Moderator(s) take you into thier confidence. I have way to much respect for both to think that they would undermine YT in that manner.

Back to the OP's question/concern. I have seen all too often members using the tag function to identify the thread, the op, certain individuals posting in the thread, etc. in a manner that is rude and insulting. Not only is that childish, it is an underhanded way to attack another member.

hahhaha...ok...I will take the last word since you think that is what I want.. :D What I really believe is that you, while saying you prefer to purr are roaring right now. But..hey that is your right. :)

I made a point that many people here do nothing but complain.....and it is just a very obvious observation based on their many public complaints and holier than thou attitudes.

Yes, admin and Wylie's mom are fair and professional...enough that the people here largely take advantage of that fairness imho. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out what goes on behind the scenes. :rolleyes: We see enough on stage here. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Ashley V 01-27-2011 01:30 PM
Wow. I've been on this forum for four years and had no idea that there was even a tag feature! This is the first I've heard about it. Why is it that people are complaining about the poster of that thread putting in "Chicago" "girl" and the other one that was there. I didn't see anything offensive or abusive? :confused: They might not serve a purpose to anyone on YT, but they aren't hurting anyone. If there was something offensive posted there, I could understand, but it seems pretty innocent.

ladyjane 01-27-2011 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashley V (Post 3407809)
Wow. I've been on this forum for four years and had no idea that there was even a tag feature! This is the first I've heard about it. Why is it that people are complaining about the poster of that thread putting in "Chicago" "girl" and the other one that was there. I didn't see anything offensive or abusive? :confused: They might not serve a purpose to anyone on YT, but they aren't hurting anyone. If there was something offensive posted there, I could understand, but it seems pretty innocent.
I did not get it either, but my guess is there must have been something else and admin maybe removed it. Again, I really don't think if it were directed towards me that I would lose much sleep over it. The tags the button pushers are using are really just that: button pushers....and mean nothing. They don't even know how they work..nor do the people who complain about them. Heck, I am not sure I even understand how they work.

There are some people on here who love to do tags that are ignorant and as the op said, useless.....
Then there are people who don't even understand what tags are and/or do.

It is all something that perhaps the admin can come along and explain.

Ashley V 01-27-2011 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3407813)
I did not get it either, but my guess is there must have been something else and admin maybe removed it. Again, I really don't think if it were directed towards me that I would lose much sleep over it. The tags the button pushers are using are really just that: button pushers....and mean nothing. They don't even know how they work..nor do the people who complain about them. Heck, I am not sure I even understand how they work.

There are some people on here who love to do tags that are ignorant and as the op said, useless.....
Then there are people who don't even understand what tags are and/or do.

It is all something that perhaps the admin can come along and explain.
Oh trust me, I won't be losing sleep over this. I've got issues in my life bigger than this lol. I really just didn't even know there were tags on YT after four years and three thousand something posts later. :D I know how to use them, I just don't see the point and I'm never creative enough to think of words to describe my posts anyways.

ladyjane 01-27-2011 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Ashley V (Post 3407863)
Oh trust me, I won't be losing sleep over this. I've got issues in my life bigger than this lol. I really just didn't even know there were tags on YT after four years and three thousand something posts later. :D I know how to use them, I just don't see the point and I'm never creative enough to think of words to describe my posts anyways.
Not losing sleep here either. Nothing on the internet is worthy of that.

I don't really get the point to it all either. I never noticed the tags until this past year when someone started complaining about how people were abusing them....and I have seen some very snide tags. It is just that they really don't mean much....and, as I said before, are so terribly immature.

I have a general idea of what tags are on a website and all; but not sure exactly how they work on a bulletin board. Are they for the forum only? Or are they for the internet searches?

bchgirl 01-27-2011 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3407773)
That brings me to a question that I am not clear on: Are those tags for the forum searches or for the internet?
The internet.

Websites were tagged with keywords....so when someone typed in that keyword it would bring up their website.

Nancy1999 01-27-2011 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3407773)
That brings me to a question that I am not clear on: Are those tags for the forum searches or for the internet?
You can use tags both ways, for example. I put the words "Yorkietalk, Chicago, Girl and wanted," in Google, and I came up with the original thread as well as this one. It's also handy to use as search feature here on YT, and tags can be useful to recall various threads when you don't remember the details.

ladyjane 01-27-2011 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3407883)
You can use tags both ways, for example. I put the words "Yorkietalk, Chicago, Girl and wanted," in Google, and I came up with the original thread as well as this one. It's also handy to use as search feature here on YT, and tags can be useful to recall various threads when you don't remember the details.
Yes, but you don't need tags for the forum search unless the word you are searching for is not in that thread.

Bchgirl says they are for the internet...but, I still don't understand why some of them upset so many people. Just because something comes up in a search does not make it what you are looking for. When I do an online search and forums pop up, I honestly breeze past the forums because I am usually not looking for people's opinions...only fact as best as it can be.

admin 01-27-2011 03:27 PM
We see nothing wrong with the tags mentioned in that thread: Chicago, girl, wanted
as those tags are related to the poster's thread.

Tags are used as another way for members to search threads or to search YorkieTalk. They can be useful for certain things, such as illness names or a particular Yorkie pedigree. Google may also put more weight into tags when they index our community. They are not required, but can be useful. It is a tool for the community to use as they see fit. Members can also search by tags as well, either by clicking on Search, then Search Tags, or this link:

YorkieTalk.com Forums - Yorkshire Terrier Community - Tags

We can see which member makes which tags. If they are inappropriate or namecalling or belittling, action will be taken by a moderator or admin. We have suspended members in the past for using tags inappropriately.

ladyjane 01-27-2011 03:29 PM
Thanks, Admin, for the information! :)

Sugar's Mom 01-27-2011 03:36 PM
hey guys, I wasn't saying that anything was abusive about those tags on that particular thread. The whole point I was trying to get out is that it seems many people on here don't seem to realize how to use them and I think there should be something somewhere to help people understand when and why to use them.. Those on that thread are totally useless to anyone looking for a yorkie. Sorry if some of you took offense. There are several in the for sale forum like those. useless. So if someone just googles one of those words looking for a " girl', chicago, or wanted. No matter what they are looking ,for a yorkie website comes up when they might just be wanting info about chicago. LOL Thanks admin.

Sugar's Mom 01-27-2011 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Sugar's Mom (Post 3407924)
hey guys, I wasn't saying that anything was abusive about those tags on that particular thread. The whole point I was trying to get out is that it seems many people on here don't seem to realize how to use them and I think there should be something somewhere to help people understand when and why to use them.. Those on that thread are totally useless to anyone looking for a yorkie. Sorry if some of you took offense. There are several in the for sale forum like those. useless. So if someone just googles one of those words looking for a " girl', chicago, or wanted. No matter what they are looking ,for a yorkie website comes up when they might just be wanting info about chicago. LOL Thanks admin.
And I certainly didn't mean to complain. it is just so obvious that some people really have no clue how to use tags.

Furbaby Friend 01-27-2011 04:07 PM
Well to be fair, while they may be mostly useless in a lot of situations and come up on a lot of searches that don't pertain to the topic. Someone looking for a pup in Chicago might run across that thread via search because of the tags and then possibly stumble upon a breeder or resource they may want to contact to start their hunt. It isn't a bad starting point if you don't have one at all. :)


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