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fannie 01-01-2008 06:17 PM
For sale threads
 
I truly believe that for the betterment of YT, that we need to put some sort of restrictions on for sale and Featured breeder sales here. I personally believe that one should contribute more to this site than just their for sale threads or a donation.

I'll just be simple and say that we should atleast have a post count restriction in place before being able to place anything for sale here (puppies or anything else).

xnatalie 01-01-2008 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by fannie (Post 1640843)
I truly believe that for the betterment of YT, that we need to put some sort of restrictions on for sale and Featured breeder sales here. I personally believe that one should contribute more to this site than just their for sale threads or a donation.

I'll just be simple and say that we should atleast have a post count restriction in place before being able to place anything for sale here (puppies or anything else).
i agree, way too many people are coming on here just to make money:(

sabsab00 01-01-2008 06:19 PM
I thought there was a restriction? That you have to be a donating member?

fannie 01-01-2008 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sabsab00 (Post 1640852)
I thought there was a restriction? That you have to be a donating member?
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Featured YT Breeders must be Donating Members first before they can be a Featured YT Breeders. We require Featured YT Breeders to offer a one-year health guarantee. The health guarantees and the Yorkie selling contract must be viewable by any potential buyers.

We require YT Featured Breeders to have at least one year experience breeding Yorkies, or have personally handled at least two previous Yorkie litters already before they can join the program.
That's it. You can join, donate and then be a featured breeder without anybody knowing anything about you.

domesticated08 01-01-2008 06:27 PM
Right On, Steph!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

cj125 01-01-2008 06:42 PM
I agree! How about a post count AND a minimum time that they've been a member... because some can come on here and post 100 in a few days. :eek: :p

yorkiegirl83 01-01-2008 06:42 PM
I'm not sure how I feel about it. I sort of feel like anyone purchasing a puppy should use their head and gut feeling when choosing a breeder. I'm not even sure if this is already located somewhere, but maybe there could be a sticky thread in both puppies for sale forums that gives tips on how to choose a good breeder, so that YT members looking for puppies can be well informed?

fannie 01-01-2008 06:54 PM
Yes, people need to use their heads when choosing a breeder. There are tips in the regular Yorkies For Sale, not the Featured Breeders section. Let's face it... not everybody does the correct research prior to buying a puppy. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people selling puppies that are looking for just those people. Plus, not all people read those tips. They are looking for a cute puppy and that's about it.

And yes, I also agree that there should not only be a post limit, but a time limit as well.

MyFairLacy 01-01-2008 08:16 PM
I would like to see more restrictions for the featured breeder sections besides donating $50 and having a website. A "featured" breeder should be where people can look for the best of the best on this site. I would like see featured breeders contribute to this forum besides placing their for sale ads. I would also like to see featured breeders following the ethical guidlines set by the YTCA. Those ethical guidelines are set in place for the health and safety of the breed we all love so much.

fannie 01-01-2008 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1641202)
I would like to see more restrictions for the featured breeder sections besides donating $50 and having a website. A "featured" breeder should be where people can look for the best of the best on this site. I would like see featured breeders contribute to this forum besides placing their for sale ads. I would also like to see featured breeders following the ethical guidlines set by the YTCA. Those ethical guidelines are set in place for the health and safety of the breed we all love so much.
I agree completely. It just has to be started somewhere. Yes, I'm a featured breeder. But, in essence, that doesn't mean squat. Just means I paid a fee.

Ladymom 01-01-2008 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1641202)
I would like to see more restrictions for the featured breeder sections besides donating $50 and having a website. A "featured" breeder should be where people can look for the best of the best on this site. I would like see featured breeders contribute to this forum besides placing their for sale ads. I would also like to see featured breeders following the ethical guidlines set by the YTCA. Those ethical guidelines are set in place for the health and safety of the breed we all love so much.
:goodpost:

How would it be determined if a breeder were following the YTCA guidelines and code of ethics, though?

I think it's a fabulous idea if it's doable. I see so many replies to newbies looking for their first Yorkies that direct them to the breeders section saying it's safer than looking for a puppy on the internet. It isn't safer if nothing is known about these breeders. It can give a newbie a false sense of security by giving the impression that the featured breeders have been endorsed by YT.

mypreciouspups 01-01-2008 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by fannie (Post 1640867)
That's it. You can join, donate and then be a featured breeder without anybody knowing anything about you.
I do not believe that is right, this is like a family here, and we really do not need people just coming on here only to post threads of for sale stuff..
so I agree...:thumbup: :thumbup:
pooh's mum

MyFairLacy 01-01-2008 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 1641354)
:goodpost:

How would it be determined if a breeder were following the YTCA guidelines and code of ethics, though?

I think it's a fabulous idea if it's doable. I see so many replies to newbies looking for their first Yorkies that direct them to the breeders section saying it's safer than looking for a puppy on the internet. It isn't safer if nothing is known about these breeders. It can give a newbie a false sense of security by giving the impression that the featured breeders have been endorsed by YT.
Hmm...I don't know. I guess there just needs to be some type of stricter approval process. And then if any breeder is found to be in violation, they lose their priveleges as a featured breeder. Right now I think the only requirements is a $50 donation, a website, and a 1 year health guarantee. I would also like to at least see these things required: puppies sold at a minimum of 12 weeks of age, no females being bred under a certain weight..(definitely not under 4lbs), certain health testing required to rule out common genetic defects, and a spay/neuter agreement. I just really think featured breeders need to be held to a higher standard

Mom of 3 01-02-2008 02:41 AM
I am fairly new here, so this is just my two cents. I totally agree with not really knowing someone. I guess what I am trying to say is, If I were looking for a Yorkie on here, I would be looking for first, how long they have been on here, how many posts, and other peoples comments on things they have posted. I would not buy a Yorkie from someone that has been on here a month. I don't think that really gives you enough time to know what that person is like, how they care for their animals, what type of breeder they are, etc. Just my opinion..........
By the way, I just love this site. Even someone like me, in the over 50 group can learn something new. Darlene :animal-pa :animal-pa :animal-pa

Ladymom 01-02-2008 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1641395)
Hmm...I don't know. I guess there just needs to be some type of stricter approval process. And then if any breeder is found to be in violation, they lose their priveleges as a featured breeder. Right now I think the only requirements is a $50 donation, a website, and a 1 year health guarantee. I would also like to at least see these things required: puppies sold at a minimum of 12 weeks of age, no females being bred under a certain weight..(definitely not under 4lbs), certain health testing required to rule out common genetic defects, and a spay/neuter agreement. I just really think featured breeders need to be held to a higher standard
I agree. Those requirements would be great. Also, how about a "YT Breeder Feedback" section like we have for sellers?

fannie 01-02-2008 09:49 AM
I sure would like to get more people's input on this.

browniesmom622 01-02-2008 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1641395)
Hmm...I don't know. I guess there just needs to be some type of stricter approval process. And then if any breeder is found to be in violation, they lose their priveleges as a featured breeder. Right now I think the only requirements is a $50 donation, a website, and a 1 year health guarantee. I would also like to at least see these things required: puppies sold at a minimum of 12 weeks of age, no females being bred under a certain weight..(definitely not under 4lbs), certain health testing required to rule out common genetic defects, and a spay/neuter agreement. I just really think featured breeders need to be held to a higher standard

i agree 100%:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

domesticated08 01-02-2008 09:55 AM
Bumping!!

domesticated08 01-02-2008 09:57 AM
This is Very important ...come on veterans of YT..input..ideas..please

MorkieAZ 01-02-2008 10:00 AM
I LOVE that idea, I'm for it 100%:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

domesticated08 01-02-2008 10:13 AM
Anyone??

BamaFan121s 01-02-2008 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by fannie (Post 1640992)
Yes, people need to use their heads when choosing a breeder. There are tips in the regular Yorkies For Sale, not the Featured Breeders section. Let's face it... not everybody does the correct research prior to buying a puppy. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people selling puppies that are looking for just those people. Plus, not all people read those tips. They are looking for a cute puppy and that's about it.
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1641202)
I would like to see more restrictions for the featured breeder sections besides donating $50 and having a website. A "featured" breeder should be where people can look for the best of the best on this site. I would like see featured breeders contribute to this forum besides placing their for sale ads. I would also like to see featured breeders following the ethical guidlines set by the YTCA. Those ethical guidelines are set in place for the health and safety of the breed we all love so much.

I completely agree with you both! I think that the title "Featured Breeder" itself should indicate those who have 'proven themselves' and who meet a strict criteria, striving to be the best of the best--breeders who are held to higher standards. :confused:
I think it is a GREAT idea, but I think that if the requirements were a bit stricter, maybe more people would see it as an honor and make it their goal to prove that they are 'that good.':)

feminvstr 01-02-2008 05:08 PM
I believe the area being labeled as a featured breeder, is confusing...

"featured" meaning "given prominence"

I know many that have thought the breeder had the privilege of posting in that section and are "being held to a higher standard" when simply they pay to post their litters.

Mardelin 01-02-2008 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by feminvstr (Post 1643327)
I believe the area being labeled as a featured breeder, is confusing...

"featured" meaning "given prominence"

I know many that have thought the breeder had the privilege of posting in that section and are "being held to a higher standard" when simply they pay to post their litters.

I think if we all put our heads together, we can come up with a set of rules. $50.00 and website and breeding for a year doesn't cut it.

Also, in the rules section it states no one should post unless seriously considering purchasing, is a cop out....totally unfair to those looking for a yorkie.

JeanieK 01-02-2008 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by fannie (Post 1640867)
That's it. You can join, donate and then be a featured breeder without anybody knowing anything about you.
True. How do we know that these people have one years breeding experience if we don't know them. I cannot be a featured breeder eventhough I have been a member for two years, because I have not been a breeder for two years and anyone can find that out just be reading my threads.

So if I were new to YT I could be posting in the featured breeders section already and no one would know that I have not been breeding for over a year.

I think a minimum of one year requirement should apply.

Mardelin 01-02-2008 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1643364)
True. How do we know that these people have one years breeding experience if we don't know them. I cannot be a featured breeder eventhough I have been a member for two years, because I have not been a breeder for two years and anyone can find that out just be reading my threads.

So if I were new to YT I could be posting in the featured breeders section already and no one would know that I have not been breeding for over a year.

I think a minimum of one year requirement should apply.
I don't think the # of years you have been breeding gives you the credibility....it should be more in line with your breeding practices (no, Jeanie I don't mean anything about your love for your parties) There is more to it than that. We all know that there are breeders on here that have been breeding for a # of years and throw up the red flags.

JeanieK 01-02-2008 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1641202)
I would like to see more restrictions for the featured breeder sections besides donating $50 and having a website. A "featured" breeder should be where people can look for the best of the best on this site. I would like see featured breeders contribute to this forum besides placing their for sale ads. I would also like to see featured breeders following the ethical guidlines set by the YTCA. Those ethical guidelines are set in place for the health and safety of the breed we all love so much.
The YTCA does not allow parti colors that that mean that a parti breeder should not be able to post on there?

I think let's leave the YTCA out of this, not everyone agrees with the YTCA's guidlines. A lot of show breeders don't even agree with the YTCA.

JeanieK 01-02-2008 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 1643381)
I don't think the # of years you have been breeding gives you the credibility....it should be more in line with your breeding practices (no, Jeanie I don't mean anything about your love for your parties) There is more to it than that. We all know that there are breeders on here that have been breeding for a # of years and throw up the red flags.
I agree, I don't believe that long term breeders are any more credible, I believe they should have to be members for at least one year so people can know them.

The one year breeder experience limit was set by admin, not my suggestion.

Mardelin 01-02-2008 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1643401)
I agree, I don't believe that long term breeders are any more credible, I believe they should have to be members for at least one year so people can know them.

The one year breeder experience limit was set by admin, not my suggestion.
I would think as members we should have input to what we want to see.

BamaFan121s 01-02-2008 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1643389)
The YTCA does not allow parti colors that that mean that a parti breeder should not be able to post on there?

I think let's leave the YTCA out of this, not everyone agrees with the YTCA's guidlines. A lot of show breeders don't even agree with the YTCA.
I think that she meant as far as actually standing by some respectable ethics--not related to partis.

Although in a way, I find it odd that it's suggested to throw out the opinions of the parent club--those who set the standards, wrote the book and are the experts. I would think their opinions and guidelines would be the MOST important for breeders striving for excellence. :(

Although...I do understand how it affects YOUR specific program differently Jeanie.


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