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Nursing mama is being depleted I took tasha and the pups to the vet yesterday for the pups to have tails docked and dew claws removed. The vet looked at pups and mama. I had some questions for him and one was that when i squezzed on tashas teets it was hard to get any milk out. He looked at her and said what was going on was the puppies were depleting her. He told me to give her a scrambled egg and crunch up some of the egg shell and put in it that it was the best source of calcium for her. She's making milk but they are sucking her dry almost faster than her body could make it. I hope that makes sense. So my question is should i give her cottage cheese and yogurt as well? I searched on here and found a site about mastitis (that's not what she has) but thought it might be good for her as well. any suggestions? She has been eating and drinking good with the execption of this morning. She ate all of her breakfast but not as heartily as usual. The pups are all doing great. They aren't deydrated at all plus they are gaining weight so they are still getting plenty. It's just draining her. After she ate she was moving around as normal. Thanks.. |
mom Is your bitch losing weight? What is her diet? She should be eating a dry puppy food mixed with many things...you can make a mixture of chicken/rice/cottage/cooked eggs/small amount of liver and add dry. Keep the bowl full..will she eat yoghart? She should be on a calcium tab also..(give her crushed TUMS. One tab per day.) IF she is not losing weight and the pups are doing well..not crying and gaining weight, then she is making plenty of milk...the milk can not always be expressed..milk will let down as the pups nurse and it is far better to make a touch too little milk then too much..that can lead to eclampsia, where mom makes milk by the buckets and the pups keep draining her dry so she makes more...what mom needs is to make just enough milk to keep her litter growing..good luck PS..if she does not eat well then you must suppliment the pups yourself. |
Thank you I am mixing her food with 1 egg with partial egg shell. (that is what the vet told me to do). She is eating good and doing good. The pups are all gaining weight really well and doing great. My vet told me not to give her a supplement he said she didn't need it. To feed her the egg with a little bit of the egg shell and that was plenty. She just had pups March 1st so she still looks scrawny from rib cage down but has plenty of fat on her rib cage. She just ran in here a few minutes ago to get some luvins from me so she has plenty of energy. So I shouldn't worry about not being able to squeeze milk out of her? By all of the signs so far she is giving them plenty of milk. |
I almost forgot. I was feeding her chicken mixed with her food and the vet told me not to do that right now. |
vet Ask any breeder..your vet is wrong. AFTER whelping they need a calcuim tab, but never before. When it comes to these things a seasoned breeder is your best friend, not the vet...so rely on breeders here. Feed her anything she will eat..no food can hurt her..but make sure she gets plenty of PUPPY dry mixed in with it. Chicken turkey and hamburger is protein...let her lap vanilla yogart from a dish. Press the fat out of any meat. GIVE her a calcuim tab. I do not worry about not being able to express milk IF the pups are growing. |
when i mix people food with her dog food she only eats the people food. So should I just her the people food seperate? And should I only give her people food once a day? Also do I give her the tums all at once or give her a half a pill in the morning and half in evening? I keep her dog food down for her to eat when she wants plus I go sit with her and hand feed her her dog food (she likes me to do that lol) so she has access to her food at all times. If i give her the tums should i also feed her food with calcium or should i just stick with protein? The puppys are defenitely getting plenty of milk so it sounds like she is making enough milk..thank you for helping me. |
I learned this years ago and it certainly has worked great for me and many other breeders. Mix up a mixture of the following and give it to her two times a day and she will have all the milk the pups can handle. Mix vanilla instant pudding the 4 cup size with 4 cups milk, 4 egg yolks, 1/2 cup sugar. Mix it all up and keep in the fridge. This will help tremendously. Let me know how this works for you as I said this has worked for many many breeders I know. But also give her cottage cheese mixed with canned puppy food and keep dry puppy food there also. |
Hi Tashasmom ...sounds like Pat (YorkieRose) and Princessyorkies gave you some wonderful advise....All the best to you and your new babies !! |
Thank you everyone. I will let you know how she does. I wrote down all that you both said to give her. |
I don't have any other advise except to follow what they have said here!! I got great information from Pat!! She is very helpful and so knowledgable!! I love to read all the advice from the experienced breeders here!! Like she said vets don't always know what is best!! :D :D I forgot to say congrats and good luck with those babies! :D |
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I did have one more question. Do I give her all of this. Tums, Cottage cheese, yogurt, pudding, canned food as well as her dry food? And if so how much of each per day. While she was pregnant I gave her dry dog food as much as she wanted, a spooful of cottage cheese and 1 egg. When she had the puppies I fed her all the dry dog food she wanted, chicken usually about 1/2 cup and 1 egg. I should mention that not only are the pups healthy they are straight up fat lil things. And I will defenitely follow all of your advice. |
I don't know what to tell you about all the other advise but as I said I can tell you the mothers mild mixture I gave you I use two times a day and the canned puppy food and cottage mixture I give two times a day and I leave down the dry puppy food all the time for her. Hope this works as it sure has for me. Good Luck. |
I think since the vet suggested the babies were draining her dry....the thought brings the fear of eclampsia. This is why it's so important to suppliment with tums 1/2 tab in the am 1/2 at night...Cottage cheese, cheese, yogurt, eggs, chicken, dry puppy food....feedings should be all anytime...what ever she wants. Glad the babies are doing well... |
Thanks to everyone My sister is on her way to the store for me so I don't have to leave her home alone. I went ahead and gave her what I had. I will let you all know how she does. Thank you. |
1 Attachment(s) Whatever you do, give her the calcium! VERY INPORTANT!!! I had a momma dog once who actually had rigors and seizures...I thought she would die on me on the way to the vet...her legs were standing out straight and shaking while she was laying down and she was unresponsive. She was a 100 pound bulldog too...not a tiny yorkie! They go down fast, so don't take any chances. I am not trying to scare you but do what these breeders are telling you...best of luck to you and your new babies...they can be such a joy!!! Here are the babies we raised!!! |
Hello Well I was calm but now after reading that my heart is beating like crazy. I gave her cottage cheese an egg and her dog food. As soon as my sister gets back I will give her the rest. She is acting fine right now so hopefully this is caught in time. I don't understand why my vet didn't act more concerned than he did. He just said she's fine just give her an egg and cook some of the eggshell with it. Now I know why I don't totally trust vets AND doctors. Not that I don't think they are good and know what they are doing but I"ve always said "a mama knows best"... P.S. MY husband isn't a true dog lover but he wants a bulldog sooo bad. lol.. |
2 Attachment(s) Well that momma and her babies were American Bulldogs. They are a lot sturdier than English Bulldogs and have a lot fewer health problems. Here is a pic of the Momma, Candy and one of a couple of her pups when they were about 6 weeks old...they were so much fun! But a lot of work too! She raised 8 babies from a litter of 9 - 1 was stillborn. But she had a bad round with calcium defeciency and mastitis in one breast...we got her thru it but had to really watch her. |
diet If you chop the "human" food very small and mix it well with a touch of water to adhere it she can not pick it out. |
As usual, you have gotten very good advice from some seasoned breeders. The egg shell must be smashed really small--it is pure digestible calcium. A nursing mom needs at least 300-400mgms of ELEMENTAL calcium a day. Read the labels on the tums or whatever calcium you use (I use plain human calcium tabs because there needs to be phosphorus and vit D before the body can use the calcium) and see what the actual calcium content is. IE: say the label says Calcium carbonate-500mgms. That does not mean that there is that much calcium-read the back of the label for the real calcium content. Whatever you give her, mash the human stuff small enough so that she has to eat some of the dog food as well when she is eating. Remember, asPat says, keep food down all the time. And, lots of water.....some people give milk but I find that many dogs cannot tolerate the lactose milk sugar so I do not use it. Maybe, 100% lactose reduced milk if you feel stromgly about giving it. Your vet is not your best source of info when it comes to breeding. Again, listen to the breeders on here and you cannot go wrong. Bet between us, we have over 50 years experience.. |
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I know how you feel about not leaving them alone!! In the beginning I waited until my hubby got home to go anywhere!! It really is like having a newborn human baby to worry about multiplied! :D |
You have gotten some excellant advise from some of the most experienced breeders on here. I would trust what they have to say more than my vet. Vets arent always the expert when it comes to nutrition. |
2 Attachment(s) One things for sure once I get through this with tasha she will have me well broke in to the problems that can happen when breeding..Now when jersey has her litter I'll know more what I need to do right off the bat. I really do appreciate all of the help. heres pics of jersey and tasha..my girls took them and put them on the comp..Jersey is in the pic by herself and the other one is of jessica jersey and tasha.. |
I just wanted to let everyone know that tasha is doing alot better today. Yesterday she seemed to lay around alot. Today she is active and obviously feeling much better. She loves all the extra goodies she gets to eat now. I think no I know if I hadn't had the help from all of you I would of been taking her to the vet for an emergency. Instead I had the means to stop what could of been turned out to be a serious emergency. Thank you so much. |
Tally had puppies 5 weeks ago and she was really getting depleated and she is a very picky eater.WE tried feeding her everything sometimes she ate sometimes she wouldnt. The puppies were 1 week old and she had a bout with eclampsia, Took her away from the pups for 24 hrs got her shot of calcium and started feeding her Goats milk , which thank goodness she likes. Fed her rice gerber baby cereal/with goats milk for breakfast then a few bowls of goat milk aday plus anything else she'd eat, shes been fine ever since. Goats milk is high in calcium and easy to digest. |
I'm afraid to ever use goats milk again. I have done and do alot of foster care for animals. I had a litter of kittens that were doing great but it was expensive to buy pet formula and I was paying out of pocket for their care. I knew this lady that raised goats so she gave me goats milk. Every one of those kittens died after I switched them and I've never lost a whole litter. I've lost babies before but never a whole litter. I felt that the goats milk had something to do with that. So I've never used it. Now i know alot of people do and have luck with it but i'm too afraid to try it again. But I have used baby food and baby cereal and i love that. IT is easy for their lil tummy's to handle when swithching to food. I'm glad your babies and mama are fine now. Eclampsia is scary. |
I used canned goats milk not fresh. Not too sure about using right from the goat. |
I wonder if thats what did it then..it being fresh. I never thought of that. |
Terry Shumsky was a yorkie breeder and judge and did a lot to help with finding a cure for liver shunt before she died last year. Here is a recipe from her book. I also saw it posted here in an older post. Good for picky eaters. Mix the following in a saucepan and cook to pudding consistency. 2/3 cup sugar 6 tablespoons cornstarch 1/2 teas salt 4 cups milk (or one can evap milk plus equal parts water to make quart) 4 egg yolks 3 teasp vanilla. feed with syringe, on spoon, or let eat from bowl. full of protein and nourishment....have never had it cause diarrhea. |
Tashasmom milk depletion Hi I'm surprised your vet didn't suggest you supplement the pups some. Or did he/she? I definitely would do at least 4 times a day until you can start weaning them. |
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