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-echo- 09-10-2014 06:41 PM
Abnormal Heart? UPDATE
 
Original Post: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...mal-heart.html

So, I took our Magnus to see the cardiologist today. He's been diagnosed with Patent ductus arteriosus (PDA). If you aren't sure what it is - you can read about it in the link below. Because this vessel didn't close on its own, it needs to be done surgically. With surgery he can still live a very good and full life. Without the surgery, he's been given a year or so to live. Poor little guy. He's getting to be VERY expensive. So, while I'm pretty stressed about the cost - I'm happy to know that there is something that can be done and that we'll get the chance to have him around for many years! Surgery isn't scheduled yet, but she (the cardiologist) would like to do it within the next month or two. I say the sooner the better!


Patent Ductus Arteriosus - Congenital Heart Disease of Dogs

yorkiemini 09-10-2014 07:09 PM
Oh gee, sorry to hear about this problem - but relieved that something can be done about it - sort of a double edged sword, isn't it.

How old is he? I'm hoping that other than this he is basically healthy.

You are taking such good care of him! You are a good Yorkie parent:D

-echo- 09-10-2014 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiemini (Post 4485910)
Oh gee, sorry to hear about this problem - but relieved that something can be done about it - sort of a double edged sword, isn't it.

How old is he? I'm hoping that other than this he is basically healthy.

You are taking such good care of him! You are a good Yorkie parent:D
Hey there, thanks :) He's 9 weeks. Yeah - other than that he seems to be really healthy. I'm just happy we had a vet who knew something didn't sound quite right and sent us elsewhere. Its early enough that his chances are extremely good. There isn't any enlargening of his heart yet - so that's great.

This is my first (and probably last) dog. Talk about stressful!

Yorkiemom1 09-10-2014 09:10 PM
Contact your breeder....this is a concern for the breeder and surely it is included in the contract/health guarantee you got from your breeder. She should be assuming the majority of the cost incurred for this testing/surgery......good luck with your baby and the impending surgery.

Cat2861 09-10-2014 09:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by -echo- (Post 4485908)
Original Post: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...mal-heart.html

So, I took our Magnus to see the cardiologist today. He's been diagnosed with Patent ductus arteriosus (PDA). If you aren't sure what it is - you can read about it in the link below. Because this vessel didn't close on its own, it needs to be done surgically. With surgery he can still live a very good and full life. Without the surgery, he's been given a year or so to live. Poor little guy. He's getting to be VERY expensive. So, while I'm pretty stressed about the cost - I'm happy to know that there is something that can be done and that we'll get the chance to have him around for many years! Surgery isn't scheduled yet, but she (the cardiologist) would like to do it within the next month or two. I say the sooner the better!


Patent Ductus Arteriosus - Congenital Heart Disease of Dogs
Awe..........Poor baby....PDA happens a lot with premature human babies also. You are doing the right thing by having the surgery and once it's done he should live a normal life. I understand why the vet wants to do it soon because she doesn't want to see it affecting the heart or lungs by stressing them out or enlarging the heart. Sending prayers and best wishes to you, your family and Magnus!

intilis 09-11-2014 04:58 AM
Thanks so much for the update.... I was on pins & needles lol! I'm so sorry that surgery is needed, but happy that Magnus can be helped. Thank God he found a great Mom! You will both be in my prayers!!!!

Wylie's Mom 09-11-2014 06:35 AM
Oh gosh, so sorry to hear he will need surgery - I know that's a major expense and probably not anticipated. I'm so happy you're giving him a chance at life though - bless your heart. Can you contact the breeder to see if they can help w/ the surgery as well?

Cha Cha 09-11-2014 08:43 AM
So sorry to hear about the impending surgery and diagnosis. It sounds scary but it sounds like you found a great cardiologist. It will feel good to get this past you. Keep us posted. Hugs and prayers.

-echo- 09-11-2014 11:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4485944)
Contact your breeder....this is a concern for the breeder and surely it is included in the contract/health guarantee you got from your breeder. She should be assuming the majority of the cost incurred for this testing/surgery......good luck with your baby and the impending surgery.
Dare I say I never got any kind of contract/health guarantee? He's not registered. I didn't care about having a registered pup. I (we) are learning a hard lesson here. Perhaps I've done things wrong, but I guess we just deal with it all now.

Thanks for your good luck wishes :)

-echo- 09-11-2014 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cat2861 (Post 4485948)
Awe..........Poor baby....PDA happens a lot with premature human babies also. You are doing the right thing by having the surgery and once it's done he should live a normal life. I understand why the vet wants to do it soon because she doesn't want to see it affecting the heart or lungs by stressing them out or enlarging the heart. Sending prayers and best wishes to you, your family and Magnus!
Thanks very much! Yes - I'm hoping it can be scheduled soon before any further damage occurs. Its worrisome!

-echo- 09-11-2014 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by intilis (Post 4486002)
Thanks so much for the update.... I was on pins & needles lol! I'm so sorry that surgery is needed, but happy that Magnus can be helped. Thank God he found a great Mom! You will both be in my prayers!!!!

Thank you very much. I really appreciate your thoughts and the fact that you posted on my original post to see what was happening. I'm waiting to hear back about a final cost and when we can do the surgery. Its amazing how quickly this little guy has become a part of our family. I'm totally smitten with him :)

-echo- 09-11-2014 11:22 AM
Thanks, Wylie's mom and Cha Cha.

Wylie's Mom - Its a HUGE expense. Its almost embarrassing to admit we'd spend this kind of money on a dog. The appointment yesterday was over $900 and the surgery is anywhere from $4500 to $5500. I've been pretty stressed over it - But we'll still survive - lol. I honestly don't see a point in contacting the breeder. I wasn't too impressed with her from the onset. She was all about the money. When I said we'd "take him" - she says "Can't say I'm going to miss him" and then turned to the mom and said "hahaha - you lost your baby today". So, yeah. We're just going to take care of him ourselves and move past it.

Cha Cha - The cardiologist seems REALLY good - I felt very confident in here. So,that's a good sign!

Thanks again everyone. So, so much!

Pam Shaw 09-11-2014 01:16 PM
Our little Mia was diagnosed by the vet the day we brought her home, back in March. She had the surgery at UT Vet Hospital, and just today we took her back there for her final ultrasound. She passed with flying colors and will now live a completely normal life.
By the way, our breeder refunded our money so we could put it toward her surgery; maybe yours would do the same. Good luck!

ladyjane 09-11-2014 01:37 PM
We have had a few pups over the years with PDA. One recent one who is still with us is Londyn. Every one of them were caught early enough that there was no long term damage. That is key in these repairs.

So happy that you are able to provide this surgery for Magnus. That is a very high price ... maybe the cost is more in CA? I don't know. But I believe the average around here is $3,000 - $3,500 And, of course, it is important that you have a surgeon with a good reputation that you trust.

Please keep us posted.

-echo- 09-11-2014 03:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam Shaw (Post 4486177)
Our little Mia was diagnosed by the vet the day we brought her home, back in March. She had the surgery at UT Vet Hospital, and just today we took her back there for her final ultrasound. She passed with flying colors and will now live a completely normal life.
By the way, our breeder refunded our money so we could put it toward her surgery; maybe yours would do the same. Good luck!

Its so reasurring to hear good things! What was the recovery like? What should I expect?

-echo- 09-11-2014 03:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4486179)
We have had a few pups over the years with PDA. One recent one who is still with us is Londyn. Every one of them were caught early enough that there was no long term damage. That is key in these repairs.

So happy that you are able to provide this surgery for Magnus. That is a very high price ... maybe the cost is more in CA? I don't know. But I believe the average around here is $3,000 - $3,500 And, of course, it is important that you have a surgeon with a good reputation that you trust.

Please keep us posted.
Thank you - Yeah, I want to have his surgery done soon. So far there is NO damage or edema in his lungs, nor is his heart enlarged. All good things!

This clinic seems quite high and from what I've read - it is. Apparently, Its got a great reputation with other vets and is why they use them. Hopefully after his surgery - we can follow up with our own vet... who isn't quite as pricey!

Pam Shaw 09-11-2014 05:48 PM
Mia's recovery was fairly easy and didn't take too long. She was pretty active within a day or two of coming home, and they sent a pain med to give her each day for the first week or more. They had her wear a body sock so she wouldn't bother her stitches; it was like a stretchy bandage that had holes for head , front legs and bottom. We didn't have any problems at all during her recovery. I hope you're little one has a good experience, too.

-echo- 09-11-2014 07:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pam Shaw (Post 4486230)
Mia's recovery was fairly easy and didn't take too long. She was pretty active within a day or two of coming home, and they sent a pain med to give her each day for the first week or more. They had her wear a body sock so she wouldn't bother her stitches; it was like a stretchy bandage that had holes for head , front legs and bottom. We didn't have any problems at all during her recovery. I hope you're little one has a good experience, too.
I'm so glad it all worked out for Mia (and you). I hope ours goes that well! He's such a beautiful little pup. I hate to think of him having an operation when he's so little. Butttt.... I must be positive and I know its for his betterment.

Quadraphinic 09-11-2014 09:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by -echo- (Post 4485908)
Original Post: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/sic...mal-heart.html

So, I took our Magnus to see the cardiologist today. He's been diagnosed with Patent ductus arteriosus (PDA). If you aren't sure what it is - you can read about it in the link below. Because this vessel didn't close on its own, it needs to be done surgically. With surgery he can still live a very good and full life. Without the surgery, he's been given a year or so to live. Poor little guy. He's getting to be VERY expensive. So, while I'm pretty stressed about the cost - I'm happy to know that there is something that can be done and that we'll get the chance to have him around for many years! Surgery isn't scheduled yet, but she (the cardiologist) would like to do it within the next month or two. I say the sooner the better!


Patent Ductus Arteriosus - Congenital Heart Disease of Dogs
My last Yorkie Megan had the same thing and was given the same time frame, 1 year, she was 15 and 2 months when I had to have her put to sleep last year. I couldn't afford the surgery with 2 small kids and just having been medically discharged from the Navy. I figured since the operation was a 50/50 chance of being successful, that I'd just love her and keep her happy, she was my constant companion for 15 wonderful years. I wish you the best of luck and I know what you are going through.
Cheers and good luck Quad & Gina:aimeeyork

ladyjane 09-12-2014 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by -echo- (Post 4486252)
I'm so glad it all worked out for Mia (and you). I hope ours goes that well! He's such a beautiful little pup. I hate to think of him having an operation when he's so little. Butttt.... I must be positive and I know its for his betterment.
Londyn was just 2 pounds when she had her surgery. The PDA pups are usually tiny because they are not getting the right oxygen to grow. Londyn is catching up now...she started to thrive almost immediately.

The surgeons who do these repairs are used to the tiny size. :)

As for recovery, they are amazing and usually are up and buzzing around in a day or two.

ladyjane 09-12-2014 06:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadraphinic (Post 4486281)
My last Yorkie Megan had the same thing and was given the same time frame, 1 year, she was 15 and 2 months when I had to have her put to sleep last year. I couldn't afford the surgery with 2 small kids and just having been medically discharged from the Navy. I figured since the operation was a 50/50 chance of being successful, that I'd just love her and keep her happy, she was my constant companion for 15 wonderful years. I wish you the best of luck and I know what you are going through.
Cheers and good luck Quad & Gina:aimeeyork
I have never ever heard of such stats (50/50). I believe you may have been dealing with a different condition. PDA surgery is highly successful as long as it is caught in time. If not, it progresses pretty rapidly and will kill a pup at a young age.

Whatever it was, that is great that Megan lived a long life with you! :)

-echo- 09-12-2014 02:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadraphinic (Post 4486281)
My last Yorkie Megan had the same thing and was given the same time frame, 1 year, she was 15 and 2 months when I had to have her put to sleep last year. I couldn't afford the surgery with 2 small kids and just having been medically discharged from the Navy. I figured since the operation was a 50/50 chance of being successful, that I'd just love her and keep her happy, she was my constant companion for 15 wonderful years. I wish you the best of luck and I know what you are going through.
Cheers and good luck Quad & Gina:aimeeyork
Thank you : )

I totally understand what your position was. Our kids are all grown - and we're (at this time in our lives) in a position to do it. A few years ago - I wouldn't have been to do it either. You were very fortunate to have had her for 15 yrs. Magnus was given a 5 out of 6 rating, meaning the sounds around his heart are quite bad. They never said anything about 50/50 chance. They just said its VERY successful and that withouth it, he will only survive to be "about" a year or so.

-echo- 09-12-2014 02:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4486335)
Londyn was just 2 pounds when she had her surgery. The PDA pups are usually tiny because they are not getting the right oxygen to grow. Londyn is catching up now...she started to thrive almost immediately.

The surgeons who do these repairs are used to the tiny size. :)

As for recovery, they are amazing and usually are up and buzzing around in a day or two.
Thanks for sharing that - It is SO encouraging to hear such positive things. I'm feeling confident - but of course... its a little scary. Magnus is around 2 pounds as well. I really want it to happen sooner than later. I'm just waiting to hear back regarding a date.

ladyjane 09-12-2014 02:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by -echo- (Post 4486435)
Thanks for sharing that - It is SO encouraging to hear such positive things. I'm feeling confident - but of course... its a little scary. Magnus is around 2 pounds as well. I really want it to happen sooner than later. I'm just waiting to hear back regarding a date.
I would be like you....it is just scary to think about. Here is a link to the YHR site so you can read about Londyn if you want:

Adoptable Pups

-echo- 09-12-2014 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4486437)
I would be like you....it is just scary to think about. Here is a link to the YHR site so you can read about Londyn if you want:

Adoptable Pups
I checked it out. She certainly looks great! Thanks for sharing that :)

lynzy420 09-14-2014 02:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by -echo- (Post 4486145)
Dare I say I never got any kind of contract/health guarantee? He's not registered. I didn't care about having a registered pup. I (we) are learning a hard lesson here. Perhaps I've done things wrong, but I guess we just deal with it all now.

Thanks for your good luck wishes :)


Been there done that, $30,000+ later...broke...but worth every single solitary loan I took out! lol Good luck, so glad to hear your willing to go the distance for your family member! AWESOME!!!

-echo- 09-14-2014 03:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4486835)
Been there done that, $30,000+ later...broke...but worth every single solitary loan I took out! lol Good luck, so glad to hear your willing to go the distance for your family member! AWESOME!!!

Oh my gosh! Why was it $30,000?? I can't even imagine. I can't see my husband allowing me to spend that lol

lynzy420 09-14-2014 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by -echo- (Post 4486850)
Oh my gosh! Why was it $30,000?? I can't even imagine. I can't see my husband allowing me to spend that lol

My (ex)husband (we now share custody) would give his last cent for the pups...they are family members in our lives... We had a puppymill bred dog...she was very sick when we got her and has been sick most of her 9 years, she has required eye surgery, knee surgery, hip surgery (both sides) and suffers from a very bad immune system, allergies, food intolerance, ear/eye infections and unknown sudden illness that requires hospitalization with IVfluids etc., I can no longer count the amount of times we had thought we were losing her...anyway she is doing well. We also adopted 2 Biewers, 1 was deaf and had a heart issue as well, we thought it was under control but she suddenly succumbed, (IT WAS NOT PDA, I wish it was), her sister had Leukeimia (dont' tell the Biewer breeders I said that, they hate the truth) and I suspect a heart condition as well, she got sick as well. I knew I wouldn't have them long but am still oh so grateful I had them at all....love the pups no matter what they cost!

-echo- 09-14-2014 05:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4486855)
My (ex)husband (we now share custody) would give his last cent for the pups...they are family members in our lives... We had a puppymill bred dog...she was very sick when we got her and has been sick most of her 9 years, she has required eye surgery, knee surgery, hip surgery (both sides) and suffers from a very bad immune system, allergies, food intolerance, ear/eye infections and unknown sudden illness that requires hospitalization with IVfluids etc., I can no longer count the amount of times we had thought we were losing her...anyway she is doing well. We also adopted 2 Biewers, 1 was deaf and had a heart issue as well, we thought it was under control but she suddenly succumbed, (IT WAS NOT PDA, I wish it was), her sister had Leukeimia (dont' tell the Biewer breeders I said that, they hate the truth) and I suspect a heart condition as well, she got sick as well. I knew I wouldn't have them long but am still oh so grateful I had them at all....love the pups no matter what they cost!

Oh, okay - I thought you paid that for a pup with PDA. I was thinking this was going to be costing us a lot more than we anticipated! That's truly awesome that you do that. Sounds like you have a huge heart for the poor little things. I admire that. I don't know that I could do it - it upsets me too much. Even now I'm losing all kinds of sleep... worrying. Just my personality :/

-echo- 10-20-2014 05:37 AM
FRUSTRATED.

So, its been almost 6 weeks since I took Magnus to see the cardiologist. Within 2 days of seeing her (the cardiologist) - I told her we wanted to do the surgery. I feel as though I'm getting the runaround. She told me she wanted to do it within a month or 2. Two months is fast approaching and still nothing. I hound them every single week for a surgery date and an actual price. Is this normal? Her assistant tells me they're trying to get prices on everything they need (coil etc). Magnus is still doing great - acting like a normal little puppy - but I'm concerned that getting to the point where he can HAVE the surgery is going to take too long and he'll start showing signs of the PDA that will be irreversible.

Big ole SIGHS!


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