I don't want to say lazy...maybe complacent, you and the two vets. If this was you bleeding or your child or other human and you didn't know where it was coming from, would you hesitate to go to an emergency room? I hope not. These pups are dependent upon us for their health and well being, it became your responsibility when you got this pup to take care of this pup...stop putting $$$$$ signs on the health of your living, breathing pup. What exactly constitutes a visit to a vet for you? A deceased pup? Yeah I'm being hard on you, because I see that you obviously do not understand your responsibility to this pup, you need to be vigilant in caring for your furbaby at all times, hopefully you will come to learn this.


Please, do not go back to either of those vets, I can not imagine a vet ever giving such info over the phone like that concerning a bleeding pup, they are incompetent as far as I'm concerned.

My BS meter is going full force.

Nose bleeds, even wickedly active ones, don't make that type of pattern. It's not a drip pattern from something walking around bleeding nor is it an arterial spray pattern. There isn't a drag pattern from something walking around with a bleeding nail. Nor is it a splatter pattern from an animal shaking a paw, head or anything else. In addition, if the puppy wasn't still actively bleeding, the blood on the pad would not be that red.

To be totally honest, it looks someone had a squeeze bottle with red paint and squirted some on a pad.

JMO.

If, on the off chance that it is real, then it's just plain stupid to be on the net rather than at an emergency vet, $300 or not.

Ya know you have made a point here "To be totally honest, it looks someone had a squeeze bottle with red paint and squirted some on a pad."..... just thinking, maybe this lil gal pulled a prank on YT members, because that is just what it looked like to me. It didn't make sense, the pattern of the supposed blood. Maybe she just wanted to incite as many YT members as she could. Something to think about.

You'd think there would be bloody pawprints in blood on the pad if a small puppy bled there.

Yeah I did take him she just gave me what it could be nothing that's for sure.. but still test are coming back negative

That's what happens when a pup sleeps in his crate that's his over night pad now if you have nothing helpful to say don't reply thanks

What tests have been done? Are they looking at the nosebleed issue or something else?

Recheck his sugar level, and check to see if it was dehydration and said the way he's acting she may be send me out for a liver test

No ma'am I kind of mess up, it was a breeder out the penny savor I tried calling and texting they never replied or pick up again

The thing is you can't dictate or choose who can post on your threads

I would think more tests needed to be done if a pup bleed that much.

I don't know why types of test need to be ran I let the doctor tell me I do the paying. That's all she felt fit next would be liver test

Well, I'll admit that my bull crap meter is going off like crazy too.

There is no way in heck that a puppy got blood like that on a puppy pad and it created perfect little swirls and drops. Puppy's like to lick their wounds, and he would have stepped in it, smeared it and probably gotten it everywhere. It would not have looked like it does on the pad (which really is gross by the way). You said you clipped his nails, then you said you didn't. Then you said it was a nose bleed (which would have had spatters, because if his nose was bleeding, he would have most likely sneezed to try and clear his nostrils) and that your vet is running tests and told you not to worry. Probably just a lazy vet who wants to take your money. And for the record, oxygenated blood is not bright red, it's a darker red, so unless that supposed blood was drawn directly from a vein, there's no way it's real blood.

And if it were, that's a whole lot of blood for an 8 week old puppy to be losing. I would be at the vet until I got answers.

So here's your healthy dose of reality. Stop playing childish games. If your dog is sick, do the responsible adult thing and take him to a vet that can give you answers and stop making excuses. If your dog isn't sick and you think all this is funny, well you need professional help, because none of us are laughing at the situation. We are however laughing at you and all your inconsistenties, because, we honestly find it amusing when newcomers come on here spewing and spouting and then get mad when someone calls them out. It's always the same old story. And guess what??? We always win. The silly little newcomer who tells tales ends up leaving, and we get our forum back for a brief time, until the next one comes along.
It's really your choice where it goes from here.

And for what it's worth, this is a public forum and you can not dictate who posts on your threads, nor can you tell them what they can or can not say. Go figure.

Yesterday is the first time I actually looked at the picture, as I feared it was a photo of a bleeding puppy and just didn't want to see that. But once I saw the picture, it struck me as so odd that there seemed to be quite a lot of blood, the blood stains seemed untouched - pristine-looking with no bloody pawprints, smearing or evidence this 8 week old puppy licked the blood. Any puppy, especially one who is alone and bleeding in his crate, is going to inspect this new substance that he's emitted from his body onto the pad or the floor, probably smudge it with his muzzle, step in it, track it and probably lick or wallow in it.

Wow. I'm sure you're aware that name calling is against the terms of service for the forums. You should be careful.... I'd hate for you to get suspended. That would be kind of like running you off.

And clearly you need advice from someone because you still aren't getting it. We see through the lies and fake.

Is this the first and only time this has happened? If it was a nose bleed, I would think he would sneeze and that would be more of a splatter pattern.

I can not even guess at what "tests" are bieng run....did anyone of those vets think to check hemaglobin/hematocrit and even maybe bleeding time on this pup. "Mysterious bleeding from guessed at sources" in a baby this young, is cause for more concern, in my opinion than just wait and see what happens, it may not happen again whatever it was...." Whatever it was, it was not normal. There is a source of this event, and all you need is someone that knows how to find it and treat it.

For what it's worth, I HAVE seen fresh blood look that bright--it looks like blood and not paint to me. The photo looks like the pee pad was peeled open, and we're looking at the inside of the pad. If that is the case, the dog could have licked the outside of the pad and not disturbed the blood that had transferred to the inside. The pattern looks like the blood was squirting directly from an artery. That could have happened with a broken nail or a nosebleed if the artery was close to the outside of the nasal passage. (Maybe I've been watching too many CSI Miami episodes, LOL!) I'm still willing to give the benefit of the doubt that this is a real incident, and if that's the case, you'd think that the vet would look in the nose with a scope and check out all other body parts that could bleed in this manner. Hopefully the dog is okay and this was just a freak incident. It's fine to do liver tests, but I'd still consider finding a better vet because the last vet that saw him doesn't sound like he's checking out everything that he should be.

I still don't think it is blood. Never did. Who knows. What I do know is that if it were an artery, the dog would be dead...and there would be so much more blood. I honestly don't see this as a lot of blood...I have seen a whole heck of a lot more come from a dog that was bleeding. It could have been a nail, but usually they will run all over the place and lick it. They don't just stay in one spot and it drips around like that. Don't know what it is, but hopefully the right tests were done and the puppy is ok.

Yep...if it was an artery, there would be 'gushes' of blood that coordinate w/ the pumping/beating of the heart. Also, the dog would most likely die, as you mentioned.

The color doesn't throw me terribly, but the pattern doesn't make sense to me...for this to happen, one would have to be bleeding a LOT of venous blood, and be slow and deliberate in dribbling this pattern onto the surface. If/when a dog hurts a paw, they'll usually limp around (causing blobs of blood) and/or hold the paw up (causing sporadic drips, not circular/regular patterns). I dunno...never seen anything like this.

You can see the pattern of the absorbent topper of the pee pad. The areas kind of look like there are little polka dots.

Wylie's mom already went over why it doesn't appear to be arterial spray. Yes, blood can appear bright red initially. But it begins to quickly oxidize and turn brown in color. IF it were fresh blood on the pad, then the pup would still have wet/bloody fur around the source of the bleeding. Even if the pup licked a bleeding area, it's unlikely that they would have been capable of cleaning the area so well that the fur wouldn't have at least been stiff with drying blood.

As for a vet exam, it works much better when you actually take them in to be seen versus a phone call. I would like to think that MOST pet owners would pick up that dog and high tail it to the vet with that pad in tow if they weren't sure where it was coming from. Even if the vet's office wasn't open yet (which seems strange at 9:30 on a weekday morning) most of us would be there waiting for the door to open.

I agree, arterial blood is bright red and quickly oxidizes. If one of my dogs was bleeding like that the last thing I would do would be stop to take a picture and post on a forum . I would have picked up the dog, pad and be pounding on the vets door.

The bottom line is that the dog would have bled out. The OP does not know what this was so she says ... if it had been arterial and no one was there to stop it, dead pup.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
I will have to pull out my anatomy books.....memory is dumping ancillary statistics and data that does not apply to me.......not sure there is an artery running down into toe nails....think not......in any event, hopefully this pup has been seen by a qualified vet that is concerned enough to actually examine the pup for what could have caused this issue....obviously, by this time, the bleeding has stopped.....and the longer the time passes before a diagnosis is determined, the chances are not good that she will ever know what caused this particular incident. Fortunately, the baby survived......this time. Hopefully, the next time, whatever caused this incident, will not "rupture" and the pup "bleed out"....

No there are not arteries in nails! Veins just like in human fingers and toes.

:thumbup:

New here, new to puppy pads, when we pick up our Yorkie pup next month, will be first time with puppy pads as breeder will have her trained on pads. Since puppy pads are designed to absorb pee, could that be the reason for the strange pattern of the blood?

Usually with all but very freshly expelled blood onto an absorbent surface(as in medical supply absorbent pads placed under patients), the edges of the blood will fairly quickly begin to separate into liquid serum and appear lighter in color as the coagulation of the blood begins and platelets begin to clump together. None of the stains on the pad have that appearance anywhere along the stain. That and the fact there are no smears or prints in the blood are puzzles.

Still, what is most important to us all is the well-being of the little puppy, why he wasn't immediately rushed to the vet and what caused the staining and if he's going to be okay. It's worrisome that apparently there was no urgent attempt to get a diagnosis made or treatment rendered right after the stained pad was discovered. Also, the narrative is confusing about what happened and why and when he subsequently did see any vets and what they actually did for him as glucose tests for dehydration and other un-named tests, along with a recommended liver test, don't seem to address the matter of the staining on the potty pad.

I seriously had my doubts about the blood thing also but I also feel sorry for this puppy if for no other reason, because of how deplorable the pad itself was. I hate that the person got so defensive and was suspended because YT might be the only true help this pup would ever get as it seems she is not willing to take it to the vet. I realize she said some bad things and called people names but in all fairness she was called (not in so many words) a liar. I have prayed for this puppy since her first post and continue to do so. It is so sad to see any living being not receive the care they deserve.