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Vasculitis and Ollie I have been having issues with Ollie since about the beginning of April / end of March. Here is a link to some pictures. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...1&l=3e9746a0a1 We have seen a dermatologist that diagnosed with vasculitis based on the ears alone. Ollie does not have a food allergy and has not had any vaccinations since August 2012. He has had a hearty appetite. Prior to the pentoxifylli he has been on antibiotics baytril and steroids, none of which worked. We have to take pentoxifylli for at least 30 days. It has been one week and I am not seeing any improvement, they are turning white. His demeanor has changed. He has good days and bad days. The days where he does not want anyone to love him or a stranger touch him are the days that make me worry the most because he loves everyone and wants that loving. Ive been reading the other threads and it seems so different for everyone. Did anyone else's areas turn white? |
Poor Ollie. I'm sorry I don't have any knowledge or advice to share, but I wanted to send your little guy best wishes for him to heal soon. |
I am so sorry to hear about your little Ollie. The timing... I know Piccolo had a delay between her vaccines and the cutaneous vasculits showing up. I think the delay was at least 5 months, by-the-way. Piccolo was also very lathargic, until she started taking her medicine. It has been about 5 years since the original diagnosis, and she is back to normal behavior wise. Hope your little guy gets back to his fun loving personality soon. I am not sure what you mean by white spots. Do you mean he has scabs in his ears that are turning white? I do remember Piccolo's scabs in her ears turning white and black. Now she has scars (nothing raised) and they are black. Also want to add that it took a long time for things to start healing. It felt like forever at the time. |
The scabs that were black are turning white and new white ones are showing up :( Did the link show up with pics? I'm using mobile version and not seeing it. thanks |
The one I had only had it on his ears. They did not turn white. My son's dog still has white spots with hair loss in the areas that were affected. She is a red colored dachshund. She had it a few years ago. |
I have heard that sometimes the pentoxifylline does not work and they need prednisone; but some don't believe in using the steroids. Both pups I mentioned were only on prednisone for 3-4 weeks. If you continue to have issues and have not seen a vet dermatologist, you might want to do that. |
I don't have any knowledge to give. But sending prayers that Ollie will start feeling better and get back his loving personality. Glad to see you back,but wish it was under a different circumstance. |
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I do remember with Piccolo, the lesions started showing up on her skin rapidly and they could be odd looking. She had it on her back, paws, ears, and "elbows." The pentoxyphilline alone did not work for her, so she was on both that and predinsone for a very long time, maybe 6 or 7 months. (It appears that that was a long time compared to other pups on YT, perhaps because it took so long to get diagnosed.) I do believe that the lesions can look very different on each dog. Glad to read that you are taking Ollie to a vet dermatologist. |
Jenna was diagnosed with canine vasculitis in March. She mostly had an inflamed rash that seemed at first to be an allergic food reaction. She got to the point where she was having trouble breathing and her heart was beating at a very high rate. She never really developed any lesions, some mild pocking on her ears, but the vet had recognized it within a week of her taking ill, so my guess is we hit it with the meds quickly and prevented the lesions. She had to be on the pentoxifylline for a whole month to assure complete healing. She could not take steroids (Medrol, if I remember correctly) as they had already used them and these caused her to have some very bad vomiting episodes, that left her dangerously dehydrated. She wound up staying in hospital for 4 days after that. However I find lots of dogs use them with no problem. Jenna just seems to be especially sensitive to many medications. I hope Ollie will be feeling much better soon. :) |
Ollie is not any better. Here are updated pics. If you know anyone that might know anything or experienced something like this.... can you share??? https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...1&l=3e9746a0a1 |
Has the specialist tried steroids? |
The dermatologist has not. He was on steroids and it made no difference with the regular vet. He's just on the phanto... and Benadryl for the scratching. |
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What is the dermatologist saying about this? |
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This message is from last week- We talked in depth regarding "Ollie" and the progress, or lack thereof, we have seen. Since it has been only two weeks, Dr would like to give the medication more time to work. She is not concerned yet about the progress, or lack thereof, and feels more time will tell. |
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Thanks, after his pics were reviewed, the derm vet called and said we need to do biopsy and scheduled it for this coming Wednesday |
Good luck! Please keep us posted. |
I received the results this evening. Not a lot of answers :( The biopsy indicates the changes in Ollie’s skin areconsistent with erythema multiforme (EM for short). It, too, is a type ofimmune system attack on the skin. Causes include: induced by: medications, underlyinginfection, and underlying illness, idiopathic (we don’t know the cause) EM can be mild and run its course without therapy. This isclearly not the case for Ollie. We can start immunosuppression with a single medication. Ifhe fails to respond then we will need to discuss next steps (food trial, changeHW/flea meds, etc) If he responds well but relapses as we taper therapy then wewill need to consider a two medications course of therapy and for a longerperiod of time. Predinsolone, 5mg , 2 tablets by mouth once every 24 hours You will likely note increased drinking, urination, appetiteand panting as a side effects of this medication. Serious side effects areuncommon. If anorexia (no appetite), vomiting, severe weakness or dark, tarrystools are noted, this could indicate a more serious side effect (such asstomach ulcer) and we should be notified. Continue pentofiylline Recheck 30 days |
I am sorry...so frustrating. BUT....you may see improvement now with the pred added. I hope so. |
We missed pics this week but here is the link again of Ollie's progress. I will be adding more by tomorrow evening. We had to go to the vet on Saturday as he seemed disoriented and out of sorts. He wouldn't respond to me calling his name or seemed like he couldn't hear me or walk to me. He is just fine now and the vet didn't find anything with him. His tummy is a bit upset so we are starting Pepcid. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...1&l=3e9746a0a1 Here is the link. forgot to add, that we are seeing progress with his ears! |
Yay! Glad to hear that you are seeing some improvement!! :) Thanks for updating. |
So glad there is progress. From what you wrote, Ollie does not have cutaneous vasculitis... correct? Instead he has EM? But, he is being treated with the same kind of medicine that would be used for this disease? Just wanted to add that when Piccolo's biopsy was first sent out they said she had something else. (I need to look it up what the report said, something like dermotomyocytis) Then we had the results sent out again. Her vet dermatologist said that she thought this was not correct, but the only way we would know for sure was to do a muscle? biopsy. I decided against that because it would be treated with the same medicine and why put her through that. Anyway, I guess there is a group of diseases that are close to each other that can be treated with pentoxyphilline and prednisone. Thanks for the update and sounds like Ollie is doing well. :) |
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?... &l=3e9746a0a1 Here are Ollie's updated pics, scroll to the bottom for the latest. All of his scabbies are just about gone. The steroids cleared it up. We have gone to just pred now every other day. Hes doing great and he didn't gain any weight!!!! I did switch their food to Limited Ingredient Duck Instinct Grain Free , they love it. Ive added in no salt added peas and green beans to help curb his appetite. He may have minimal scarring but we will take scarring. He looks like a new Ollie since he was groomed (also in the album) |
Yay! So glad to hear he's on the mend! WTG Ollie! |
Oh, so happy to hear that Ollie is doing well!! Thanks for letting us know. |
He does look like he is doing well. (As I said before, the prednisone was a miracle drug for Piccolo and her vasculitis.) And scars, as you said, no big deal! |
Very happy to hear Ollie is doing very well. |
well.... we have some new spots on each ear and one on the elbow :( If you scroll to the bottom of the album you can see his new pics. https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...1&l=22b97e1816 Dr. Liska (dermatologist) is calling me tomorrow. |
How frustrating...I am so sorry. |
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He is back to pred twice every day and now taking Atopica since 8-1. He is SOOOOOOOOO swollen, clumsy, and panting. We went two steps forward and now a huge four steps back :( |
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