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msyorktown 01-08-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebi_143 (Post 4099339)
I did go back and read every single post and I now see another member already mentioned this...I just found it a little rude for you to jump to the idea of "oh this must have happened because she couldn't afford to pay" at least that's how it came across to me. I myself have stated the cost of my little mans surgery in previous threads...that doesn't by any means mean I can't afford it or won't take all necessary actions to ensure his health.

And yes I agree...with small yorkies people out there deff do ask for outrageous amounts of money but, the way you said it in the original post I quoted was as if 800 was much to low and you agree that she should have been much more. Sebi was 550.00 and weighed a little over a pound when I brought him home (3lbs now).....so I thought I'd ask you why you thought it was too cheap that's all.

The 'reputable' breeders that I have come across charge anywhere between 1000.00 to 1500.00...by reputable I meant the ones that do all health test on thier pups before breeding them to ensure the mothers heatlth as well as the puppies. I paid double what you paid from a byb...thankfully they are healthy so far....I learned alot of 'breeder's' arent what they appear to be....again on here I learned buy your breeder first! Which is what I did when I decided to add a Biewer to my family.
Reputable breeders don't let pups go to their new homes until they are 12wks and at least 2lbs.
I truly hope that your Sebi remains healthy, any problems which may arise, know that you can come here and ask any and all questions, we would be glad to answer.

Sebi_143 01-08-2013 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by msyorktown (Post 4099352)
The 'reputable' breeders that I have come across charge anywhere between 1000.00 to 1500.00...by reputable I meant the ones that do all health test on thier pups before breeding them to ensure the mothers heatlth as well as the puppies. I paid double what you paid from a byb...thankfully they are healthy so far....I learned alot of 'breeder's' arent what they appear to be....again on here I learned buy your breeder first! Which is what I did when I decided to add a Biewer to my family.
Reputable breeders don't let pups go to their new homes until they are 12wks and at least 2lbs.
I truly hope that your Sebi remains healthy, any problems which may arise, know that you can come here and ask any and all questions, we would be glad to answer.

I was shown tons of papers on both parents when I went to see him for the first time but, in all honesty I didn't know what I was looking at or what to look for. Sebi did have all of his shots and had seen the vet a few times before I brought him home..I did get to keep all that info. The 12 week rule is something I've learned since joining and I will deff keep in mind should I ever consider getting another. Thanks for your insight :)

Yorkiemom1 01-08-2013 01:01 PM

Situations like this absolutely break my heart. This was all so unnecessary......If I could wave a magic wand, I would mandate that before anyone could buy a puppy of ANY breed, people would hvae to take a 6 month course on that breed, and then they would have to take a test and pass before they were allowed to own a puppy. That way, people wanting a baby would be so much better informed about what they need to be aware of as far as vet qualifications, good breeders, healthy puppies, etc. There are soooooooo many critical components that go into buying a tiny, living creature.....and if all of these components do not come together, you end up with these circumstances.....there are several posts above that are clearly correct.....babies too small, too tiny, tooooooo YOUNG, going out to people that some "breeder" finds that does not knw any better, taking on a baby they are not ready to take......if this breeder was worth the sweat off her butt, she would NEVER have allowed this tiny baby to go to ANYONE....she should have kept this precious saoul and made sure it had all that it needed to survive, even if that means holding that baby until it is 6 months old....or even for ever. It is so discouraging to keep seeing time and time and time again, puppies pushed out too young....people having NO CLUE about breeding or whelping, ending up responsible for a pregnant female and a litter of babies.....it seems experienced breeders get on here and repeat ad nauseum (sp), over and over and over.....and it continues to fall on deaf ears. People, there are pure, unadulterated crooks out there that see $$$$$$$ in breeding and everyday, throw dogs together, get babies, then find cluless people to pam these sickly babies off on.....babies too tiny, and too young.....that is how these people make money on these dog.....invest NOTHING in the prenatal care, invest NOTHING in post natal care, dump babies BEFORE THEY CAN GET SICK AND DIE ON THEM......let them die on YOU.....why do you think they can sell them so cheap?????? THEY HAVE NOTHING INVESTED IN THE BABY!!!!!!!! I am sorry for the rant....I just get so discouraged reading day after day after day the same stories....over and over and over.....PLEASE PEOPLE....READ AND RESEARCH AND LEARN ALL YOU CAN ABOUT GETTING A PUPPY...WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN A BREEDER, IN A BREED OF DOG, IN A VET, ETC....STUDY FOR AT LEAST 6 MONTHS BEFORE YOU GO OUT AND FIND SOME GOOD DEAL, BUY IT AND END UP WITH A DEAD BABY WITHIN A WEEK.

mimimomo 01-08-2013 01:11 PM

I didn't read all the posts as I need to run out right now, but I am very sorry for the loss of your puppy. Florida has pet lemon law. Florida Pet Lemon Law

I remember another thread about a pup, vomiting & having runny stool...she was very sick, had liver issues & sadly didn't make it. It sounds like your pup had similar symptoms.

lynzy420 01-08-2013 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sebi_143 (Post 4099339)
I did go back and read every single post and I now see another member already mentioned this...I just found it a little rude for you to jump to the idea of "oh this must have happened because she couldn't afford to pay" at least that's how it came across to me. I myself have stated the cost of my little mans surgery in previous threads...that doesn't by any means mean I can't afford it or won't take all necessary actions to ensure his health.

And yes I agree...with small yorkies people out there deff do ask for outrageous amounts of money but, the way you said it in the original post I quoted was as if 800 was much to low and you agree that she should have been much more. Sebi was 550.00 and weighed a little over a pound when I brought him home (3lbs now).....so I thought I'd ask you why you thought it was too cheap that's all.

Also, just so you know in the rules it explains that if you don't like a response etc., feel free to report it, honestly debating the substance of my post is one thing but calling me rude etc., is another, there is no reason to do so especially since I was at no time trying to be rude.

lynzy420 01-08-2013 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4099365)
Situations like this absolutely break my heart. This was all so unnecessary......If I could wave a magic wand, I would mandate that before anyone could buy a puppy of ANY breed, people would hvae to take a 6 month course on that breed, and then they would have to take a test and pass before they were allowed to own a puppy. That way, people wanting a baby would be so much better informed about what they need to be aware of as far as vet qualifications, good breeders, healthy puppies, etc. There are soooooooo many critical components that go into buying a tiny, living creature.....and if all of these components do not come together, you end up with these circumstances.....there are several posts above that are clearly correct.....babies too small, too tiny, tooooooo YOUNG, going out to people that some "breeder" finds that does not knw any better, taking on a baby they are not ready to take......if this breeder was worth the sweat off her butt, she would NEVER have allowed this tiny baby to go to ANYONE....she should have kept this precious saoul and made sure it had all that it needed to survive, even if that means holding that baby until it is 6 months old....or even for ever. It is so discouraging to keep seeing time and time and time again, puppies pushed out too young....people having NO CLUE about breeding or whelping, ending up responsible for a pregnant female and a litter of babies.....it seems experienced breeders get on here and repeat ad nauseum (sp), over and over and over.....and it continues to fall on deaf ears. People, there are pure, unadulterated crooks out there that see $$$$$$$ in breeding and everyday, throw dogs together, get babies, then find cluless people to pam these sickly babies off on.....babies too tiny, and too young.....that is how these people make money on these dog.....invest NOTHING in the prenatal care, invest NOTHING in post natal care, dump babies BEFORE THEY CAN GET SICK AND DIE ON THEM......let them die on YOU.....why do you think they can sell them so cheap?????? THEY HAVE NOTHING INVESTED IN THE BABY!!!!!!!! I am sorry for the rant....I just get so discouraged reading day after day after day the same stories....over and over and over.....PLEASE PEOPLE....READ AND RESEARCH AND LEARN ALL YOU CAN ABOUT GETTING A PUPPY...WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN A BREEDER, IN A BREED OF DOG, IN A VET, ETC....STUDY FOR AT LEAST 6 MONTHS BEFORE YOU GO OUT AND FIND SOME GOOD DEAL, BUY IT AND END UP WITH A DEAD BABY WITHIN A WEEK.

WORD...

Great post from a breeder.

cindersellie 01-08-2013 02:20 PM

I'm sorry for your loss.:( I hope you do well at small claims court. I'm glad your taking steps to stop this person. Hugs to you and your family.

yorkietalkjilly 01-08-2013 02:24 PM

I guess no one knows how dearly I hold vets close to my heart for pulling my babies and my rescues through the worst of horrors, often staying up all night to do it, but I'll say that any vet that sees a dehydrated tiny Yorkie that young and sends it home after only some SubQ fluid and on antibiotic, would at least tell the owner that if that baby is not fine and acting pretty normal within 6 hours and by that I mean taking fluids and some food, peeing/pottying, OR get the baby into an ER vet ASAP, might not have been on his best game at that visit. And I know vets are so often accused of over-testing, over-treating and easy admitting for expensive treatment, they are probably gun-shy at times. But it just seems the vet didn't properly assess the situation with the new owners and properly care for that baby or instruct the new owners in what to do IF the little one didn't bounce back fairly quickly.

Yorkiemom1 01-08-2013 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly (Post 4099431)
I guess no one knows how dearly I hold vets close to my heart for pulling my babies and my rescues through the worst of horrors, often staying up all night to do it, but I'll say that any vet that sees a dehydrated tiny Yorkie that young and sends it home after only some SubQ fluid and on antibiotic, would at least tell the owner that if that baby is not fine and acting pretty normal within 6 hours and by that I mean taking fluids and some food, peeing/pottying, OR get the baby into an ER vet ASAP, might not have been on his best game at that visit. And I know vets are so often accused of over-testing, over-treating and easy admitting for expensive treatment, they are probably gun-shy at times. But it just seems the vet didn't properly assess the situation with the new owners and properly care for that baby or instruct the new owners in what to do IF the little one didn't bounce back fairly quickly.

:thumbup:
It is CRUCIAL that new owners are using vets that KNOW about small dogs in general, Yorkies specifically.

yorkiedallas 01-08-2013 02:49 PM

I don't have anything substantive to add, so I just want to say I'm sorry for your loss and the stress and heart ache you have been through. There are great folks here, and a wealth of knowledge about this special breed.

princesshalie 01-08-2013 03:21 PM

Update:
My father called the breeder from a different number and left a message asking about her puppies. Not even five minutes later did she call in response to his message. So he began talking to her, not knowing all the specifics, but she told him that I did not try to reach her and that she did not receive any text messages from me. I am hesitant to call back bc I am already so upset. And after going over everything in my head and thinking of everything I did for the pup, that it had to have been sick prior to me purchasing it. When she was weighed at the vet she weighed 2.07lbs on Saturday. I did alot of research on breeders, emailed a few, and found one on the AKC website offering her pups and went to visit today. The things I saw today were 100% different from when I purchased Lola. So I can state that the first breeder did wrong. The lady I visited today did everything she possibly could to reassure me about her puppies. I saw the mother, the father, all of the puppies, and even one of the moms pups from a litter the previous year who is about one. I felt so much more comfortable talking with this lady and she enlightened me on many things with the puppy. All her dogs, even the pups, were socialized and all had great personalities. So I know that the breeder I delt with first was wrong. In your opinions what should I say to this lady? And with not being able to have a cause of death, how do I go about talking to her. I could care less about getting my money back, if it happens it happens.

chestermama 01-08-2013 03:57 PM

Im so sorry for your loss

tjdmom 01-08-2013 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4099365)
Situations like this absolutely break my heart. This was all so unnecessary......If I could wave a magic wand, I would mandate that before anyone could buy a puppy of ANY breed, people would hvae to take a 6 month course on that breed, and then they would have to take a test and pass before they were allowed to own a puppy. That way, people wanting a baby would be so much better informed about what they need to be aware of as far as vet qualifications, good breeders, healthy puppies, etc. There are soooooooo many critical components that go into buying a tiny, living creature.....and if all of these components do not come together, you end up with these circumstances.....there are several posts above that are clearly correct.....babies too small, too tiny, tooooooo YOUNG, going out to people that some "breeder" finds that does not knw any better, taking on a baby they are not ready to take......if this breeder was worth the sweat off her butt, she would NEVER have allowed this tiny baby to go to ANYONE....she should have kept this precious saoul and made sure it had all that it needed to survive, even if that means holding that baby until it is 6 months old....or even for ever. It is so discouraging to keep seeing time and time and time again, puppies pushed out too young....people having NO CLUE about breeding or whelping, ending up responsible for a pregnant female and a litter of babies.....it seems experienced breeders get on here and repeat ad nauseum (sp), over and over and over.....and it continues to fall on deaf ears. People, there are pure, unadulterated crooks out there that see $$$$$$$ in breeding and everyday, throw dogs together, get babies, then find cluless people to pam these sickly babies off on.....babies too tiny, and too young.....that is how these people make money on these dog.....invest NOTHING in the prenatal care, invest NOTHING in post natal care, dump babies BEFORE THEY CAN GET SICK AND DIE ON THEM......let them die on YOU.....why do you think they can sell them so cheap?????? THEY HAVE NOTHING INVESTED IN THE BABY!!!!!!!! I am sorry for the rant....I just get so discouraged reading day after day after day the same stories....over and over and over.....PLEASE PEOPLE....READ AND RESEARCH AND LEARN ALL YOU CAN ABOUT GETTING A PUPPY...WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN A BREEDER, IN A BREED OF DOG, IN A VET, ETC....STUDY FOR AT LEAST 6 MONTHS BEFORE YOU GO OUT AND FIND SOME GOOD DEAL, BUY IT AND END UP WITH A DEAD BABY WITHIN A WEEK.

:thumbup::thumbup:

tjdmom 01-08-2013 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4099377)
I didn't read all the posts as I need to run out right now, but I am very sorry for the loss of your puppy. Florida has pet lemon law. [url=http://www.consumeraffairs.com/pets/lemon_fl.html]Florida Pet Lemon Law[/url

I'm thinking that since a necropsy was not done, how could you prove anything? I mean, it could simply have been the stress and perhaps her blood sugar dropped? I'm no lawyer but I'm not sure she would be covered in this situation...does anyone know?

tjdmom 01-08-2013 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princesshalie (Post 4099471)
Update:
My father called the breeder from a different number and left a message asking about her puppies. Not even five minutes later did she call in response to his message. So he began talking to her, not knowing all the specifics, but she told him that I did not try to reach her and that she did not receive any text messages from me. I am hesitant to call back bc I am already so upset. And after going over everything in my head and thinking of everything I did for the pup, that it had to have been sick prior to me purchasing it. When she was weighed at the vet she weighed 2.07lbs on Saturday. I did alot of research on breeders, emailed a few, and found one on the AKC website offering her pups and went to visit today. The things I saw today were 100% different from when I purchased Lola. So I can state that the first breeder did wrong. The lady I visited today did everything she possibly could to reassure me about her puppies. I saw the mother, the father, all of the puppies, and even one of the moms pups from a litter the previous year who is about one. I felt so much more comfortable talking with this lady and she enlightened me on many things with the puppy. All her dogs, even the pups, were socialized and all had great personalities. So I know that the breeder I delt with first was wrong. In your opinions what should I say to this lady? And with not being able to have a cause of death, how do I go about talking to her. I could care less about getting my money back, if it happens it happens.

I'm very sorry for your loss. I don't think this breeder did right by you and your poor puppy. I hope that this time you are able to find a reputable breeder and a healthy puppy. don't be afraid to ask on here for any advice about your next puppy and be sure to do a search right her on yorkie talk and see if your next breeders name comes up.....


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