What do you all think of this source? https://www.petdiets.com/Library/art...catid=8&num=10

no no no no!!! :) Oh my gosh.... the ONE time I gave one of these to my boys, the next day they had 'Hershey squirts' sooooooo bad! I FREAKED out too because it looked like little tiny yellow pebbles, not AT ALL what even diarrhea looks like. Then it had blood in it. I took them to the vet and they had irritation in their intestines. It took about $300 and 10 days of trying to get a yorkie to swallow a pill (antibiotic) before they recovered fully!

I would not put Jackson through anything that may potential irritate his intestines at this point.

Brit I'm so sorry to hear about Jackson. It does make me wonder how some dogs get this and others don't. My boys will be 6 years old Sept 1 and they have been on TOTW for about 4.5 years now, I free feed and whenever their bowl is empty I give more. I probably feed a full cup a day but that is for 2 of them. I guess the one thing I don't do is over treat them. They get 1 small milkbone a day when I go to work and that is it for treats. When I start to run low I break them in 1/2 so they get 1/2 a day and that is only 5 days a week because I am home on the weekends with me most of the time. They do get tiny bits of human food but at first I nicely asked everyone to never feed them. When everyone (even the small kids) knew not to feed the dogs at all, then I'd give them approved tiny pieces of things to feed them. white rice, 1/2 a small french fry, mostly raw veggie pieces that I cut up though or 1/2 a milk bone. So the kids got used to asking me for something to give the dogs, so I always knew what they were eating. Its hard to get into that habit, but it has worked for me a lot. My boys (thanking my lucky stars EVERY single day) are healthy, active and happy still at 6 years old!

I pray that this is a one time thing for Jackson. I know he's going to be back to his normal healthy self and you'll just become more aware. I swear I see a crumb hit the ground from 50 feet away! LOL My 2 hoovers (like the vacuum brand) will eat ANYTHING if they could believe me.

For a super super once a month IF that special treat, Ive given them the Chewnola treats from Purina. Not sure how good they are for them at all... but they love them and its a rare treat! Their digestive system seems to handle them ok which is important to me.

You're such a good Mommy to Jackson! Never doubt that for a second sweetie! :)

The EPI article?

Wouldn't really be applicable to pancreatitis, but it was good from what I remember. I think I have it on the computer somewhere. It's pay only, so I could privately email it to anybody who wants to read it if I can find it...

But it will be nice to take a break from vets offices. I feel like I live there, lol.

Last night I spent 3hrs in the ER vet with my dad and his dog, Lilly. She had diarrhea and vomiting as well, but not as major as Jackson, and was just acting very strange. So my dad painfully took her in, not wanting to spend the money but knew she was in pain.

I am so glad I didn't take Jackson to this ER vet. First off, we wanted for an HOUR! In an ER... what if Lilly was dying or bleeding internally? They took x-rays and there was no obstructions or anything. But the vet wouldn't do bloodwork, and then proceeded to tell us she had to stay overnight. My dad asked why they wouldn't do bloodwork first and she said "Well, you seemed like you were being cautious with money"... at this point, my dad said NOTHING about money, so we were a little like wtf? And how would that make sense if they wanted to keep her overnight (which was gonna be $1200) or do a bloodwork test for $160? We did not understand why they weren't doing bloodwork.

So basically she was going to lay there in a crate all night for no reason, w/o bloodwork and not even knowing what was wrong. I told the vet how I've been dealing with pancreatitis with my dog and if she thought it was possible in Lilly's case and the vet said "No, we usually see that in older or obese dogs!" I told her my dog was young and not obese and got it... and Lilly got just as much human food (actually, probably more) as Jackson. I am just wondering if Lilly is suddenly dealing with the same thing. They sent her home with some sub-q fluids and gave her some pain meds intravenously.

It seemed so odd that suddenly she had the same symptoms. Since it's not contagious or anything obviously. But really... at the SAME time? My dad ended up spending about $400 last night. But we are not taking her back there.

Oh, okay, it was listed under pancreatitis, I think I'll take quicksilver cue and butt out too. :D Best of luck Brit, you'll probably be an expert when this is all done!

Correction it was listed under pancreas, not pancreatitis sorry.

Hmm, maybe it did talk about it. Fuzzy on it. I'll look.

I just briefly scanned some of these posts and the only thing I have to say...or shall I say ask, is why pups must have digestible chews????

A sick dog does not need to ingest anything other than what is recommended by a vet.

My dogs chew the durable nylabones and have for many years. They DO learn to love them if you don't give them something else.

I won't be arguing this point..probably won't be back to read the responses because this thread has disturbed me greatly. I really think that many people do not realize how serious pancreatitis can be.

Oh...and one more thing. A dog will love a piece of kibble just like any other training treat. I have had many dogs over many years and have yet to have to cook chicken to train them or entice them with any other people food. I do not believe for one minute that a dog will not eat kibble. It is the owner imho. Period. If you dont believe they will like it, they won't.

Wow, I'm sorry my thread has disturbed you so much. I never said I will be giving him a digestible chew that is going to harm him. I have consulted with a vet on EVERYTHING I have been giving him. I have been listening to what everyone in this thread with experience has to say. He has had ZERO treats and zero chews. He has strictly been eating RX kibble and RX canned food. That's it. I have been watching him like a hawk, I have made strict rules for family members who share this household with us. And my vet said BLAND CHICKEN WAS FINE!

Why is having some kind of chew important (I never said it HAD to be digestible)... because I think it's safer for him to have a dog chew than eating whatever else he gets his mouth on because he doesn't have anything proper to chew on.

He IS eating the kibble. Sorry you think that I am a terrible owner and it's all me. I clearly realize the seriousness of this illness or this thread would not be 31 pages long and I would not be willing to learn and ask questions or be spending $1000's of dollars on my beloved pet. He is lucky he has an owner like me who does care about his health and well-being. A lot of other owners wouldn't have even taken their dog into the vet for vomiting.

I found your last 2 posts offensive to me as a loving dog parent who is getting accustomed to a total lifestyle change. I am LEARNING and taking everything in. Thanks for judging me.

I don’t get it, what has Brit done that troubles you? I think she is taking this very seriously, and she is listening to her vet’s recommendations. Maybe it’s because you skimmed the posts, but had you read them, you would know that she’s not asking about what treats to give him now, she understands he has to stabilize, but these questiond were for once he’s stabilized and doing well. I take responsibility for asking so much about the bully sticks, I wanted to understand WHY they weren’t good for dogs with pancreatitis. I do understand this is a life threatening illness.

First and foremost shouldn’t our job here be one of support, to help Brit a through all this and guide her the best we can? What up with getting mad because you don’t like her line of questions? How is that post helpful? I respect you greatly Linda, but I'm really confused. Is Brit doing anything now that you see as dangerous to Jackson’s recovery because you kind of hint to that? I imagine this is a huge responsibility for a 20 year old girl, and I for one think she’s handling it beautifully. Maybe she's not as emotional and dramatic as some pet owners, but that doesn't mean that she's not feeling this deeply. I really don't think we should add to her emotional burden unless we really think her treatment of Jackson is negligent.

I don't have a "job" here...I give my opinions and people can choose to accept them or ignore them. That is the beauty of YT. That is how we learn.

All I am saying here is this:

Pancreatis is a serious condition.

Edible treats are not what I consider safe for dogs...especially if they have been ill.

that is it...you all can make what you want of it....try to read into what I said...you are wasting your time...

I was crystal clear. I pointed no fingers at anyone...simply voiced MY OPINION about edible treats and pancreatitis.

Correct the above to say:

Unhealthy (for certain dogs) treats when kibble can do the same thing. Dogs don't really taste food and know the difference. It is people who do this

and....

Edible chews....I find them to be unsafe and unhealthy.

You said, "probably won't be back to read the responses because this thread has disturbed me greatly." That's pointing a finger. Clearly you have made Brit feel bad, doesn't that bother you? Nothing wrong with you stating your opinion on chews or foods, it when you said responses have distrubed you greatly that it sounds like Brit or responders aren't taking this disease serious enough.

Obviously. I don't think I, nor anyone in this thread, believes otherwise.


I'm sorry, but I believe a dog can tell a difference between a piece of chicken and a green bean. Put chicken and broccoli, for example, in front of any dog and they are going to choose the chicken. So that's bull crap that dogs don't know the difference. Yes, I think kibble can be made exciting. Of course. What do you think I've been doing w/ Jackson for the past 9-10 days? I've been using the kibble as training treats. Dogs have a sensitive sense of smell and with that comes along sensitive taste buds too. They have a membrane inside their noses which captures molecules and sends impulses to their brain. Also have a special organ on their palate, they can even taste certain smells. However, yes, they do lack the amount of taste buds that we humans have. Humans have around 9000 whereas dogs only have almost 2000, which is why they will enjoy disgusting things like poop, throw up, and garbage.

I am with you... I am not a believer that a dog will starve itself, it will eventually eat. And dogs will lead perfectly content and happy lives eating just kibble if necessary. I do think a lot of owners, including myself, give in too easily. Of course. We are human. We make mistakes.

Nowhere in this thread did I say I am going to be giving my dog edible chews. I am trying to work with my vet and other knowledgeable people about what he can and cannot have, end of story. Simply researching and learning something new every day....

Oh, and whatever, you were definitely pointing a finger. Everything you talked about were referring to posts that *I* made. Does it really disturb you that much that I am taking the time to ask questions about specific treats, specific food, ingredients, and educating myself?

If so, then that's a problem you have to deal with personally.... I can understand a thread about a teenager coming on here, posting that her dog has been vomiting and had diarrhea for 10 days and is now pooping blood but they don't have money to get to the vet or something. THAT would be considered a bit more disturbing, imo. But I knew my dog was ill, had a problem, took him to the vets as soon as possible, and got him the treatment that he deserved and required. Oh, and then I asked questions about things that I have never dealt with in my life, and tried to get some answers for them all the while taking everything that my vet said and obeying.... Very disturbing....