Sometimes it takes longer. But, I have a question. If he had the meds, why are you looking for them? They will be back in stock soon...probably in time for the next dose.

The fact is, she WAS diagnosing and self medicating.

How can you question someone's compassion when she is asking a very legitimate question? I have seen 107barney help many people on YT and she is compassionate!

You keep saying all of these things as fact yet didn't you just meet the op on the internet? Can you really attest to the things that have occured in the past six months? My opinion is that her posts previously were scant and suspect. So...yes, I would question all of this.

Ohhhh did I misunderstand? :confused: The posts asking for medication seemed to suggest that you were looking for another member to provide medication to this pup since you guys said that you called all around with no luck. I do have compassion for the pup and I would have been happy to make a phone calls but no one asked me to do that - you were asking for the drug, not phone calls. In fact, I was home early today and would have called all up and down the east coast if asked. Please do not import meaning into my words that are not there....calling me names and saying I'm sarcastic is just mean-spirited and bullying. Best wishes to you and the OP, I really wish that she had listened to the medical advice earlier instead of administering prednisone to her dog without veterinary oversight and having the dog undergo chiropractic treatments. I will say a prayer for a Christmas miracle and hope for the best for this little boy.

This was the post that seemed that you guys were looking for the medication from another member, not another veterinary hospital or pharmacy. I don't see any reference to needing help with phone calls. Gosh YT has 69,000+ members, we could have canvassed the entire United States in no time.

That is how I read it and why I suggested that they provide the name of the vet hospital that needs it.

Yes I did just meet her and you all have not even spoken with her so for you to judge her is wrong. The meds she gave out of context were meds one vet or another had already given for mickey and for whatever reason one vet or another told her to stop giving. She has been so many places with this pup and was misdiagnosed time & time again and her baby was getting worse and she was getting desperate so if the vets couldn't diagnose then she felt she had no other choice but to try whatever she could to save her baby. I have spoken with her on the phone and the first time we spoke she read all the things that had been done & all test results. The meds he is on now are only part of the meds he needs but it's the Chemo drug we cannot get so if there is anyone who might possibly know of someplace that may have it we would appreciate it very much if you could maybe make a few calls. There are 3 of us and the Hosp where Mickey is rite now that are searching & have had no luck. It's been put out on Twitter & Facebook also the GME group . If anyone has any suggestion as to where else we can put it out there PLEASE let us know. I was informed a short time ago that he is starting to respond so this is a very good Christmas Eve.

No one is judging anyone. Merely commenting on what has been posted.

Back to the problem. I believe the neuro will make sure this pup gets what is needed; and, as I said it looks like the med will be available in the near future.

I have prayed for this pup since day one and will continue to do so.

He was never given the Cytarabine, it was unavailable. They continued with the dexamethazone (IV Prednisone).

I guess I assumed since she said it was Sisson's protocol.

If he is responding, that is a good thing.

Sorry that was my mistake.... I assumed that people would understand what I meant as it was stated that he was being treated by a vet, in a hospital after his tests. I am sorry I was in panic mode. I will try to maintain better control of myself in the future, and to be more explicite when I post.

I'm sure you will love this one. The Neuro was refusing for most of the day to get on board with Dr. Sisson. It has only been since this afternoon that he finally got his head out of his a$$ & she believes it was only because of the other Dr. who came in later in the day. This poor woman has been through hell & back with the Dr's in her area. It's been like the Twilight Zone for her. This poor pup should have been properly diagnosed months ago. But instead she was told it was Valley Fever & Liver Shunt then Vestibular Syndrome then back to LS then back to VS and every one of the vets said LS that would progress with time. Mickey does not have a liver problem and never has. There is NO excuse for it and Carina went through the exact same thing with Fudge for months & months before she finally got the correct diagnosis of GME. URG:mad:

Actually Dr Sisson's protocol cannot be started on this pup yet bc he is in crisis and not stabilized (as I understand it). Add to that the confusion with the personnel changing shifts, the treatment plan changes as the pup worsens and/or improves, and 3 or 4 neurologists trying to work together from across the country. delays in relaying information, etc., and problems in communications.

And you two wonder why everyone is confused here?

GME is an easy diagnosis when one does a spinal tap. Neurologists recommend MRIs and spinal taps as they are the tools of their trade. Did you ask the OP why she refused a spinal tap at the time of the first MRI? BTW did her insurance pay for both MRIs? Still praying for Mickey.

He Is on the protocol. It is at this time only part of the protocol as they can not get all the meds at this time but they Have begun.

So do they expect him to improve without the one medication?
Is he still in a coma?

According to kjc he has not been started because he is not stable. I don't understand all of this. Guess I need to stop reading this thread...it has not made sense to me since day one. :confused:

Best to just pray that the poor pup will be ok.

:thumbup::thumbup: I too will be praying. I think that is all we can do here.

She did not ever refuse a spinal. The 1st Neuro did not suggest or recommend a spinal. After I spoke with her, I told her I thought he deff needed to have a spinal so she called the next day to ask why it was not suggested or recommended and If they thought it should be done & was told that it was not needed as they felt it was it was Vestibular Syndrome and the spinal would be useless.

I was not calling anyone names so I'm not sure where you got that from. I was not directing anything in my post at any one person ever. She did every thing from day one that All vets told her to do. Only after she had gone to so many vets and the 1st Neuro and got no results & her puppy was Not getting better did she put him back on the pred that one vet put the dog on & then told her to stop giving it. She put the dog back on the pred because she said it was the only thing any vet had prescribed that seemed to make any diff in him at all. Please read post # 101

Yes, they are expecting improvement without the one med...bc they decided to increase the one he's on.

Yes, he's still in a coma, but has made some movements, so he may be beginning to come out of it.

Oh I got that from the other post where you quoted me and asked me where my compassion was and called me sarcastic. As for the conversation you had on the phone with the OP, that is YOUR rendition of the facts as she told them to you.... I'm sorry but I've seen lots of people lie and when questions correctly they crumble like a house of cards. Not saying she is lying, I'm just pointing out that the story does not make sense to me (or to others here posting) so just because YOU say that YOU know what the person did with the veterinary care, unless YOU can say that you saw veterinary records and notes that would support this theory, I would rather buy the Brooklyn Bridge.

I'm going to move on from this thread now because again, your rendition of the facts don't prove a thing. If you have a vet record where the DR wrote down his thoughts, redact all personally identifiable information and post it so we can satisfy ourselves that this is really what happened here. Your phone conversation with a person over the phone is not first hand experience as to what the OP did or did not do with vet care. Now I know that you and others are on a real mission here on YT to have people believe that vets are bad but as a person that spends money on vet care for her dogs, I do not buy it for a second. The fact is they are not that far off. They have recommended more tests for my dogs with lesser symptoms than this OP had. If we take the facts as true with this OP (which I am not) then there has been some professional problems with this entire team of, oh how many vets that were wrong now, ??? I question an owner who would talk on the phone to a complete stranger about her dog and vet care anyway - and a member on here handing out their phone # to act as a veterinary referral service.

First of all I am Not a Veterinary referral service nor have I EVER claimed to be. Think what you will, thats your choice. So are you saying that this owner made up the stack of test results that she read off to me over the phone ??? Sadly some would not recognize kindness & support if it slapped them in the face.I truly feel joy for those who have never had an experience such as this and I honestly Pray that you never do. I however have had experience such as this , not only with the veterinary field but the medical field as well. I just recently had to have surgery to repair damage that should NEVER have happened. Why ? because 15 of 18 Dr's that I have seen in the past 3 yrs would NOT Listen. That is with someone who can speak & was VERY Clear on where my pain was coming from. So for you to say that it cannot & does not happen , WOW ! Maybe the appropriate thing for you to say would be that it has never happened to you.

Now I'm confused. When did it become a requirement to have vet records reviewed and approved or validated by a YT member before posting on this forum to seek help and to be treated fairly, with equal respect given freely to most everyone else?

I emailed the OP and I apologized to her for the treatment she received on here and I told her that as a result of some responses, I am embarrassed to be a member here. I am now in tears thinking of what this poor woman has been through.

Criticism of her posting... she's sitting in a chair, with her dying pup in her lap, trying to type one-handed, so excuse the typos and run on sentences.

Then she's immediately slammed repeatedly... already at her wit's end at not being able to get a diagnosis on her pup, and is accused of lying and not seeking treatment appropriately or self diagnosing and self medicating?
What was she supposed to do? Not medicate and let her pup die? Which I guarauntee you would have happened a while ago.

I really love YT, and I feel more good is done here than bad, but I can't comprehend, for the life of me, why some feel they have to cause so much more addition pain and anguish to people who are already in a bad way and just seeking some kind of assisstance or support from the members here.

You (in general) can no better tell if someone is untruthful in posts than I can, and I really don't care. That is not why I'm here. My concern is for the pups that need help and to try my best to get any pup the help it needs. I do give all posters the benefit of the doubt... because one never really knows, and the ones that will be hurt in the end are the innocent pups, if, by chance, the posters seeking help are being truthful.

Maybe it's because some members have never experienced less than perfect vet care, I don't know. But I'll tell you now, I have been there, and it is not a good place to be. Put every bad emotion in a bag, with financial strain/drain, along with frustration, anger, sadness, grieving (as one would grieve a death), love for your pup and mix it all up that is what one feels when their dog is not diagnosed correctly, plus the dog is still sick. And you worry how much time is left before your baby dies, how much money is left, where to get more, how much more will you need, pup is getting worse, where do I go next? This is it... and many end up here on YT. And, no, their story may be a bit off, bc after all they've been through, and the emotional drain, they can't even think straight, much less type correctly. Is it any wonder they can't? And they come here and are thought of as being dishonest and untruthful?

There is evidence of inappropriate vet care in many threads here on YT, just as there is evidence of truly exceptional vet care. Aren't we here to help owners weed through things so their pups can get the treatment they need to be healthy?

Excellent ! :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

Congratulations you guys, where would world be without you? On this Christmas Day perhaps you two are the real saviors. I am appalled by your posts. I will not be commenting on the majority of garbage you both just wrote. I will say one thing only - those sitting with dying pups in their laps with one hand on the keyboard should be at a vet's office. I can tell you that I would be running down the road and stop at nothing if that were my dog. I would certainly not be sitting on a forum with my dying dog in my lap and yes I feel sadness and compassion for someone with such poor judgment.

This is not about the OP who is not even here posting, it's about you two and your mission to be elevated to greatness. :thumbdown

I'd also like to point out that if not for us raising all of these concerns, the OP would not have gone back to the vet and pressed the issues!!

Yep. :) If it means that certain people must continue their mission to bash vets, I guess the trade off is a good one....little Mickey FINALLY got to a vet for the appropriate care and is getting treatment.

Again, prayers for Mickey. :) This will be my last post in this thread because I can see the forest for the trees. I do know what is going on in the background....this has been a theme for a certain time period that many people DO get. :)

Yes, in fact, I did notice the OP left a while ago. But you keep coming here for assistance and to talk about the OP yet when we try to ask questions we are berated and harassed and now you are talking down about the entire YT forum, which is not very supportive or compassionate and is in fact being an internet bully! You are not the reason for the answer, because you said AAI or Chiari like you do on all threads - that and the tea bag remedy is your staple answer. You think every dog has AAI or Chiari and the fact is if a neurologist saw this dog a rule out diagnosis for vestibular disease is GME, again, easily dx'd by spinal tap. You are disparaging the veterinary profession and I'm tired of it.