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Ellie May 05-27-2010 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3143461)
does desitin work for bacteria in the vulva fold?
Probably not. No idea actually. We use it for the irritated/red areas. It does not treat the source necessarily.

dwerten 05-27-2010 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3143465)
Probably not. No idea actually. We use it for the irritated/red areas. It does not treat the source necessarily.
I would try the duoxo wipes they have helped dee dee with the vulva rubbing from bacteria as she has no uti have done a couple urine sampes. They think it is allergy related. Worth a shot as she does not lick it

Ellie May 05-27-2010 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3143486)
I would try the duoxo wipes they have helped dee dee with the vulva rubbing from bacteria as she has no uti have done a couple urine sampes. They think it is allergy related. Worth a shot as she does not lick it
This is urine burn, so she needs something on there constantly at times.

dwerten 05-27-2010 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3143489)
This is urine burn, so she needs something on there constantly at times.
urine burn?? is her ph off ?

Ellie May 05-27-2010 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3143490)
urine burn?? is her ph off ?
No, her pH is okay.
She has to wear a diaper the majority of the time and I'm sure the pads in them irritate her. And besides if she goes and I'm not right there to change it, her skin is in contact with urine for awhile... We have no choice b/c she prefers to go inside a half hour after we come in from outside.:rolleyes:

Her other choices are crate which she hates, playpen which she jumps out of (so unsafe), or our laps which isn't always possible.

dwerten 05-27-2010 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3143497)
No, her pH is okay.
She has to wear a diaper the majority of the time and I'm sure the pads in them irritate her. And besides if she goes and I'm not right there to change it, her skin is in contact with urine for awhile... We have no choice b/c she prefers to go inside a half hour after we come in from outside.:rolleyes:

Her other choices are crate which she hates, playpen which she jumps out of (so unsafe), or our laps which isn't always possible.
have you used washable wee wee pads those helped us alot so they can go whenever they want. I think it prevents them having bladder issues too as they do not have to hold it for long periods of time

Ellie May 05-27-2010 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3143521)
have you used washable wee wee pads those helped us alot so they can go whenever they want. I think it prevents them having bladder issues too as they do not have to hold it for long periods of time
She won't use pee pads regularly. She prefers carpet.:rolleyes:

kalina82 05-27-2010 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TLC (Post 3143419)
oh...does it work? Roxy has a recessed vulva AND she is a mad pisser, constantly peeing and peeing, so her private is always wet. I am trying to keep her hair trim and dry, but doesn't always work, so that area is red. I wonder if I use some of the desitin on her if it will help with the wetness :rolleyes:
has your vet discussed surgery to fix the problem with her vulva?

desitin is good but i like butt paste better. we used it on all red irritated spots, not just the private areas. on hit by cars with road rash i'd put butt paste on them.

ladyjane 05-27-2010 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3143497)
No, her pH is okay.
She has to wear a diaper the majority of the time and I'm sure the pads in them irritate her. And besides if she goes and I'm not right there to change it, her skin is in contact with urine for awhile... We have no choice b/c she prefers to go inside a half hour after we come in from outside.:rolleyes:

Her other choices are crate which she hates, playpen which she jumps out of (so unsafe), or our laps which isn't always possible.

One of my fosters used to have a terrible time with urine irritating his skin. I think that some are more sensitive than others. I started putting Balmex on his skin whenever I changed his belly band and it worked like a charm!

Ellie May 05-27-2010 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 3143738)
has your vet discussed surgery to fix the problem with her vulva?

desitin is good but i like butt paste better. we used it on all red irritated spots, not just the private areas. on hit by cars with road rash i'd put butt paste on them.
Never used this

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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3143739)
One of my fosters used to have a terrible time with urine irritating his skin. I think that some are more sensitive than others. I started putting Balmex on his skin whenever I changed his belly band and it worked like a charm!
or this. I wonder if either is less toxic than Desitin??? I'm all for something that is safer. :)

dwerten 05-27-2010 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3143531)
She won't use pee pads regularly. She prefers carpet.:rolleyes:
lol well now you know why we have laminate, tile and hardwood where the pupsters are lollllll Demi liked carpet too so there went the brand new carpet in the house. But now they are all 3 excellent at using the wee wee pads

any remodeling plans lolll

kjc 05-27-2010 04:00 PM
I hope she's feeling better. I double up on their probiotics whenever mine get diarrhea. worked great this time. All cleared up in 2 days.

Ellie May 05-28-2010 06:38 AM
She was perfect yesterday (and no poop).
Today it is very, very soft (but a better color).
So now I'm going through the:
Take her in? Don't take her in?
Take her in? Don't take her in?

I don't think she is seriously ill, but not sure she can get better on her own.
Her intestines may have crapped out (lol, no pun intended) on us again.

ladyjane 05-28-2010 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3143773)
Never used this



or this. I wonder if either is less toxic than Desitin??? I'm all for something that is safer. :)

I never compared the ingredients, but I do feel that Balmex works better. I learned that when my son was a baby...Desitin actually made his skin red and irritated it. A friend suggested Balmex and he never had a diaper rash again! It was amazing stuff!

Ellie May 05-28-2010 10:21 AM
She threw up her breakfast...three times...

Vet is calling something in and I'm doing SQ fluids at home.
Maybe just a weekend vacay???

dwerten 05-28-2010 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3144745)
She threw up her breakfast...three times...

Vet is calling something in and I'm doing SQ fluids at home.
Maybe just a weekend vacay???
that stinks girl - i feel so bad for you :( I had a horrible easter a few years ago with dd with hives and dex vomitting and i hate when they get sick over a holiday weekend as not alot of options :( That is good you know how to do subq's though. I do not know how to do that - hope i do not have to ever do it- is it hard ?:(

Ellie May 05-28-2010 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3144899)
that stinks girl - i feel so bad for you :( I had a horrible easter a few years ago with dd with hives and dex vomitting and i hate when they get sick over a holiday weekend as not alot of options :( That is good you know how to do subq's though. I do not know how to do that - hope i do not have to ever do it- is it hard ?:(
Unless (God forbid) one of your pups has a kidney issue, you probably will never have to learn. No, it's not particularly difficult. Thankfully in our situation, holiday weekends aren't a big concern...

Just hoping it's not her pancreas...again.:mad:

dwerten 05-28-2010 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3144938)
Unless (God forbid) one of your pups has a kidney issue, you probably will never have to learn. No, it's not particularly difficult. Thankfully in our situation, holiday weekends aren't a big concern...

Just hoping it's not her pancreas...again.:mad:
cool as i do know they offered it to me to do with his vomitting episodes for ibd and pancreatitis so who knows i may if he ever gets sick again but i am trying like crazy to never let that happen again :(

I hope she feels better and it is not her pancreas.

dwerten 05-28-2010 01:20 PM
cool as i do know they offered it to me to do with his vomitting episodes for ibd and pancreatitis so who knows i may if he ever gets sick again but i am trying like crazy to never let that happen again :(

I hope she feels better and it is not her pancreas.

I know you have your nutritionist but have you ever thought about consulting with susan davis as a second opinion as she has helped a ton with ple and pancreas and ibd issues. She uses a lypozene product which helps so the pancreas does not have to work as hard it is digestive enzymes. I have a discount I did not use yet and Elly said her dog is liking the purina ha i sent her so she may not need it. Just a thought but know you know your stuff just thought i would throw it out there as i met her a week ago and she seems very nice and i thought i would consult with her too about dee dee just to get more info on home cooking as i know it would help dee dee but not comfortable and do not want to borrow anymore trouble as need a break lol

Ellie May 05-28-2010 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3144962)
cool as i do know they offered it to me to do with his vomitting episodes for ibd and pancreatitis so who knows i may if he ever gets sick again but i am trying like crazy to never let that happen again :(

I hope she feels better and it is not her pancreas.

I know you have your nutritionist but have you ever thought about consulting with susan davis as a second opinion as she has helped a ton with ple and pancreas and ibd issues. She uses a lypozene product which helps so the pancreas does not have to work as hard it is digestive enzymes. I have a discount I did not use yet and Elly said her dog is liking the purina ha i sent her so she may not need it. Just a thought but know you know your stuff just thought i would throw it out there as i met her a week ago and she seems very nice and i thought i would consult with her too about dee dee just to get more info on home cooking as i know it would help dee dee but not comfortable and do not want to borrow anymore trouble as need a break lol
Thanks for the suggestion.
Susan's recipes don't appear to meet AAFCO guidelines, so they are not balanced for long-term feeding. She may have some ingredient suggestions, but we are so limited (on protein that I'm willing to handle especially) and I can tell what Ellie's intestines will and won't take just by observation. We don't get into a whole bunch of supplements simply because I prefer western medicine and not holistic, etc. When a good number of vets who aren't interested in holistic products start to notice something good is on the market, then I take notice (i.e. probiotics which btw don't seem to work for her or not to any great extent anyway). If she needs digestive enzymes, we will likely go right to the most trusted by vets (and likely most powerful), Viokase. And I have some concerns about recommending the raw diet for liver compromised dogs, etc. She has done an awesome job helping many YT'ers, but it just isn't for us. :)

Ringo1 05-28-2010 03:00 PM
Can I ask what AAFCO is? I'm sure it's something I should already know; but I don't.

dwerten 05-28-2010 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3145006)
Thanks for the suggestion.
Susan's recipes don't appear to meet AAFCO guidelines, so they are not balanced for long-term feeding. She may have some ingredient suggestions, but we are so limited (on protein that I'm willing to handle especially) and I can tell what Ellie's intestines will and won't take just by observation. We don't get into a whole bunch of supplements simply because I prefer western medicine and not holistic, etc. When a good number of vets who aren't interested in holistic products start to notice something good is on the market, then I take notice (i.e. probiotics which btw don't seem to work for her or not to any great extent anyway). If she needs digestive enzymes, we will likely go right to the most trusted by vets (and likely most powerful), Viokase. And I have some concerns about recommending the raw diet for liver compromised dogs, etc. She has done an awesome job helping many YT'ers, but it just isn't for us. :)
no problem just thought since she has helped so many maybe she could help your baby as i feel bad she keeps getting sick with pancreas issues :( and the ones she has helped do not seem to be having any issues anymore :(

dwerten 05-28-2010 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ringo1 (Post 3145047)
Can I ask what AAFCO is? I'm sure it's something I should already know; but I don't.
AAFCO Home Page

Ellie May 05-28-2010 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3145057)
no problem just thought since she has helped so many maybe she could help your baby as i feel bad she keeps getting sick with pancreas issues :( and the ones she has helped do not seem to be having any issues anymore :(
But some of them are back on commercial food which Ellie's nutritionist has told me not to do at this time and the ones who are on homecooked have recipes with no guaranteed analysis...

Her pancreas gets set off when she gets foods that she isn't used to or foods too high in fat. B/c of the stool color the other day, the hair loss on her nose, the fact that we can't get her to gain weight, etc., I have some concerns about EPI right now.

dwerten 05-28-2010 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3145066)
But some of them are back on commercial food which Ellie's nutritionist has told me not to do at this time and the ones who are on homecooked have recipes with no guaranteed analysis...

Her pancreas gets set off when she gets foods that she isn't used to or foods too high in fat. B/c of the stool color the other day, the hair loss on her nose, the fact that we can't get her to gain weight, etc., I have some concerns about EPI right now.
yeah they can get EPI from having chronic pancreas issues :( that is not fun so i hope she does not have that :(

the lypozene is suppose to help digest the food so the pancreas does not have to work as hard. If she has EPI she will have to be on digestive enzymes :(

Have you checked out Monica Segal -- K9kitchen on yahoogroups.com - I believe she is a bc nutritionist and you can email her questions and she is real responsive on her group

dwerten 05-28-2010 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3145068)
yeah they can get EPI from having chronic pancreas issues :( that is not fun so i hope she does not have that :(

the lypozene is suppose to help digest the food so the pancreas does not have to work as hard. If she has EPI she will have to be on digestive enzymes :(

Have you checked out Monica Segal -- K9kitchen on yahoogroups.com - I believe she is a bc nutritionist and you can email her questions and she is real responsive on her group
here is the link to the lypozyme

Enzyme For Pets with Pancreatitis

107barney 05-28-2010 06:27 PM
Get well soon Ellie Belly!!!

viviansnickers 05-31-2010 01:52 PM
Get well soon Ellie May!!!!:(:(:(

Sorry Crystal...I didn't even see this before I posted about Snick's nose issues. I really hope Ellie May feels better super duper soon!!

HUgs-
Snick & Viv

Ellie May 05-31-2010 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by viviansnickers (Post 3147832)
Get well soon Ellie May!!!!:(:(:(

Sorry Crystal...I didn't even see this before I posted about Snick's nose issues. I really hope Ellie May feels better super duper soon!!

HUgs-
Snick & Viv
Thanks.

She is recovering. :)

Patti 05-31-2010 04:05 PM
Glad she is recovering. You both need a break.


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