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dwerten 01-04-2010 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2940809)
I find it hard to believe that one dose of Metacam would do that...I told you that last night. I would think it would be longer term usage with the pred.

I have a feeling it was maybe this all along. I certainly hope it is....it would be wonderful if an antibiotic would fix this problem!!! :)
i know but i am on a group called doghealth and you would be surprised what one dose of nsaid has done to some dogs as it has killed some dogs as it can damage the kidneys,etc - I will send you the link dr jean dodds sent me. I know it is hard to believe but I have a microscope on these dogs LOLLLLL and trust me this all spun out from that one thing as she was PERFECT before that day as i took her to jean dodds and all tests were run and PERFECT and jean freaked out when i told her vet gave her this metacam and she sent me a bunch of info on it and said NO NSAIDS EVER so i think she has seen some bad stuff as well from other pet owners and her research.

dwerten 01-04-2010 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2940819)
I realize all of this. I have a pup who is on Temeril-P for allergies. Allergy injections made him worse, so I stuck with the Temeril-P. He has been on it for four years now.
He has had antibiotics many times for skin infections .. staph which is very common for them to get. It is not the same staph that people get and easily clears up with an antibiotic.
He does not have MVD. But, I have no problems with antibiotics and he has never gotten diarrhea except for a couple of bouts of pancreatitis.
yeah we are concerned since dd broke out in hives from simplicef if she is allergic to antibiotics so this will be very interesting to see if she gets hives from clindamyacin :( i hope not. Did yours get pancreatitis from steroids as when dex had it they said it can be from steroid use ?

ladyjane 01-04-2010 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2940823)
i know but i am on a group called doghealth and you would be surprised what one dose of nsaid has done to some dogs as it has killed some dogs as it can damage the kidneys,etc - I will send you the link dr jean dodds sent me. I know it is hard to believe but I have a microscope on these dogs LOLLLLL and trust me this all spun out from that one thing as she was PERFECT before that day as i took her to jean dodds and all tests were run and PERFECT and jean freaked out when i told her vet gave her this metacam and she sent me a bunch of info on it and said NO NSAIDS EVER so i think she has seen some bad stuff as well from other pet owners and her research.

Well, honestly, I am shocked a vet would prescribe a non steroidal with a steroid; but I still don't see one dose doing that. I guess anything is possible.

Bottom line, I hope it is just this bacteria and it clears up the diarrhea...how wonderful that would be!!! :)

dwerten 01-04-2010 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2940799)
It is a bacteria so an antibiotic would be needed. I did not see the one that suggested the antibiotic caused it, but it might be the use of an antibiotic that was not for gram negative or was not given the right length of time and the bacteria went bonkers. I will have to go find that post.
this could be as she was suppose to be on simplicef for 25 days and we stopped at day 17 due to hives BUT she had the diarhea before the simplicef in May so why i think intestinal damage related and then adding in the antibiotics situation then adding dental it all spun out

JMuedog 01-04-2010 07:39 PM
I know in humans your natural flora has to be disturbed by something before other bacteria (C.Diff is the bad strain in humans) can colonize the intestines and cause diarrhea. Alot of people in hospitals get it from being on multiple antibiotics or really high doses of antibiotics. I assume it would be similar in dogs.

Maybe if something else had already irritated her colon lately and she was exposed to this bacteria it took over?

Sorry, I have no experience with this in dogs... just people.

With humans if the diarrhea is really bad we treat with a couple antibiotics and encourage reintroduction of normal flora through consuming yogurt with live colonies or taking in probiotics.

ladyjane 01-04-2010 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2940830)
yeah we are concerned since dd broke out in hives from simplicef if she is allergic to antibiotics so this will be very interesting to see if she gets hives from clindamyacin :( i hope not. Did yours get pancreatitis from steroids as when dex had it they said it can be from steroid use ?
They don't always know the cause of pancreatitis. The only way a person would be certain of a reason is if they gave them an offending food such as bacon, ham or sausage. My pups never get anything like that so who knows why he got it. They just treated him for a few days with fluids and he improved. He is just my little problem child I guess. :) I have had a couple of them....you know how that goes!! :p

dwerten 01-04-2010 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2940839)
They don't always know the cause of pancreatitis. The only way a person would be certain of a reason is if they gave them an offending food such as bacon, ham or sausage. My pups never get anything like that so who knows why he got it. They just treated him for a few days with fluids and he improved. He is just my little problem child I guess. :) I have had a couple of them....you know how that goes!! :p
lol boy i do sure know dee dee is my problem child and dex is right behind her lolll although he has been doing great until this nose thing :(

ladyjane 01-04-2010 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2940846)
lol boy i do sure know dee dee is my problem child and dex is right behind her lolll although he has been doing great until this nose thing :(
Hopefully the nose thing will be as simply as my Cody's was! :)

dwerten 01-04-2010 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by JMuedog (Post 2940836)
I know in humans your natural flora has to be disturbed by something before other bacteria (C.Diff is the bad strain in humans) can colonize the intestines and cause diarrhea. Alot of people in hospitals get it from being on multiple antibiotics or really high doses of antibiotics. I assume it would be similar in dogs.

Maybe if something else had already irritated her colon lately and she was exposed to this bacteria it took over?

Sorry, I have no experience with this in dogs... just people.

With humans if the diarrhea is really bad we treat with a couple antibiotics and encourage reintroduction of normal flora through consuming yogurt with live colonies or taking in probiotics.
this is exactly what i think the metacam aggravated the intestines i stupidly stopped the probiotics and it all started then i threw in an antibiotic simplicef then through in the dental with bacteria and whamo WE HAVE A MESS a stinky one too

dwerten 01-04-2010 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2940849)
Hopefully the nose thing will be as simply as my Cody's was! :)
i hope so too as i hope it is not dry eye as that is eye drops daily of cyclosporine :( ughhhhhh and jean just emailed me to have thyroid tested as well again this year as that can be from auto immune disease like hypothyroid - oh just one more thing to stress me out about lol no biggie huh - he has to get a dental too as that is weighing on me but everytime i go to take him in something else pops up so i guess i will just bite the bullet and take him and deal with it all at once lol and i wonder why my blood pressure is high -hmmmmmm

dwerten 01-04-2010 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2940839)
They don't always know the cause of pancreatitis. The only way a person would be certain of a reason is if they gave them an offending food such as bacon, ham or sausage. My pups never get anything like that so who knows why he got it. They just treated him for a few days with fluids and he improved. He is just my little problem child I guess. :) I have had a couple of them....you know how that goes!! :p
how much temaril p are you giving as dd is on 1/2 tablet every other day

ladyjane 01-04-2010 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2940861)
how much temaril p are you giving as dd is on 1/2 tablet every other day
He is on 1/4 tab once/day.

ladyjane 01-04-2010 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 2940857)
i hope so too as i hope it is not dry eye as that is eye drops daily of cyclosporine :( ughhhhhh and jean just emailed me to have thyroid tested as well again this year as that can be from auto immune disease like hypothyroid - oh just one more thing to stress me out about lol no biggie huh - he has to get a dental too as that is weighing on me but everytime i go to take him in something else pops up so i guess i will just bite the bullet and take him and deal with it all at once lol and i wonder why my blood pressure is high -hmmmmmm
I have a foster on cyclosporine...it is a bit pricey. Not awful though.

Now...I have two on Thyro Tabs and honestly they are very inexpensive! I have two fosters that are hypothyroid. My Cody was ... he was the nose kid..who knows, maybe that was part of the reason.

dwerten 01-04-2010 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2940913)
I have a foster on cyclosporine...it is a bit pricey. Not awful though.

Now...I have two on Thyro Tabs and honestly they are very inexpensive! I have two fosters that are hypothyroid. My Cody was ... he was the nose kid..who knows, maybe that was part of the reason.
yeah the soloxine is real cheap i think i get 100 pills for $16 or something like that. Interesting your hypot had the nose issue as jean mentioned that tonight - the nose can be autoimmune disease if not tied to dry eye i guess - heck one more thing i get to learn lollll

dwerten 01-04-2010 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2940907)
He is on 1/4 tab once/day.
is his blood work good as dd has been good now for 2 years on it - she kept vomitting the atopica

my friend said the cyclosporine drops are $35 a month for her york with dry eye


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