Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2836626)

So, are you saying that the vets and the labs are in a conspiracy to fleece pet owners?

My vet sends fecals out to a lab.

I honestly cannot imagine a vet taking such a risk of losing his/her livelihood by doing something something like what you are saying; and to insinuate that it is widespread is very much a concern. Something of this nature is reportable to state boards! How much money do you really think vets would make doing this?

I am stunned that you make such accusations against a professional group!

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2836618)

Just for the record. I worm my puppies, and I have never had a sick puppy, nor have any of my buyers ever had a sick puppy.

Until this last time. One breeder said her puppy had giardia although it had no signs of it. Another buyer bought two puppis. Her vet said they both had hook worms, no giardia. Another buyer said her vet found no worms at all.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2836652)

I'm just giving you the facts. And no this vet did not send it to a lab, they looked at it under a microscope.

If all of these vets are so good and honest then why are people on YT constantly advising people not to listen to the vet, to listen to the YT breeders instead?

these vets are not risking anything because nothing can be proven and no harm is being done by prescribing the meds since they do no harm to the dog.

The medical profession orders unnecessry tests all the time. Especially those emplolyed by the big hospitals. You don't find it so much in private practice because those Dr's have nothing to gain from it.

It's no secret

You hear all the time about people on meds that they do not need. Dr's get benefits from drug companies.

So don't be telling me about professionals.

Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 2836693)

however something like worms that can be easily tested and treated for a couple bucks is different. and to suggest that they would take the time to "plant" the eggs in a stool sample to make a few dollars is absurd. who has the time for that? they do not make money off stool samples and worm medication. its not worth the time or effort to fudge results to make 5 extra dollars.

Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 2836693)

just because they have something doesn't mean they are going to show signs. I checked Morgan's vet records the other day to see when she had her puppy shots and i came across her first vet first records. She had whips and coccidea. all she had was diarrhea when i took her in and showed no other signs of anything being wrong. i was prescribed the proper medications, gave them to her and never had to deal with it again. I called the breeder and told her what morgan had and she said she had no idea morgan had these things when she left her house. obviously she did tho. you can take two stool samples from the same puppy and have eggs found in one sample, but none in the other. you are not going to find eggs in every sample. same goes with litter mates.

Thes puppies had no signs, no diarrhea, no loose stools, nor did any of my other dogs,

eating, drinking, and nursing from the same have nothing to do with it.

Really, then why is it so contagious.

and that's a good thing.

the topic of this thread and these two subjects you addressed are totally different. vets do not know the breed standard of every dog. it is not their concern. and you cannot know that what people come on here saying is true. sure they could have taken their female to the vet and asked if it was ok to breed to another yorkie and their vet said yes, because physically the dog is ok to be bred safely.

vets like doctors are not perfect. some are scum and will do anything to make a buck but that is not the case with all. some are also behind in the times, or fresh out of school so they don't have the experience or all the newest knowledge. that is why its good to sometimes get a second opinion. or if what your vet is doing isn't working and your concerned, its good to get a second opinion. you'd do the same if it was your health and your doctors.

I'm glad we agree on something


however something like worms that can be easily tested and treated for a couple bucks is different. and to suggest that they would take the time to "plant" the eggs in a stool sample to make a few dollars is absurd. who has the time for that? they do not make money off stool samples and worm medication. its not worth the time or effort to fudge results to make 5 extra dollars.

Originally Posted by miikah rae (Post 2836800)

I didnt mean for this topic to get so hectic:(..The only reason why I asked was because of the info that I got off the internet on coccidia I wasnt trying to take the easy way out and not go to the vet or was too cheap to take care of my baby. I just needed some advice from people that have the same breed of dog that i have. I would never take the word of another Yt member that has to do with serious health issues over a vet, i just wanted to see if any one else had the same problem or what they thought of the situation at hand. I made sure that Autumn was treated the day I found out all of this the vet gave me medication for both. it was just that she didnt have any symptoms and I read more on it and found out that she can be asymptomatic...also because my friends cat has the same exact things and we go to the same vet...I'm not accusing my vet of trying to get more money it just seemed a little fishy to me that's all....I'm new to this so i just needed some friendly advice or should I just say an ear to listen to what I've been told about my brand new addition to my family. I thought that was what this forum was for..

Originally Posted by miikah rae (Post 2836800)

I didnt mean for this topic to get so hectic:(..The only reason why I asked was because of the info that I got off the internet on coccidia I wasnt trying to take the easy way out and not go to the vet or was too cheap to take care of my baby. I just needed some advice from people that have the same breed of dog that i have. I would never take the word of another Yt member that has to do with serious health issues over a vet, i just wanted to see if any one else had the same problem or what they thought of the situation at hand. I made sure that Autumn was treated the day I found out all of this the vet gave me medication for both. it was just that she didnt have any symptoms and I read more on it and found out that she can be asymptomatic...also because my friends cat has the same exact things and we go to the same vet...I'm not accusing my vet of trying to get more money it just seemed a little fishy to me that's all....I'm new to this so i just needed some friendly advice or should I just say an ear to listen to what I've been told about my brand new addition to my family. I thought that was what this forum was for..

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2836845)

I totally understand.

When a question is asked people should post their opinions, based on their experiences, and not worry about what other people have posted.

The OP can read through and learn.

Everyone has had different eperiences and therefore different knowledge. If one disagrees, all that is necessary is to state that you disagree and state why you disagree based on your own experience. There is no reason to pick another persons post apart

Most times there is no one right way, you just have to find the best fit.

Sorry that this has turned into such a circus.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2836859)

You got exactly what you asked for....different opinions. Whether you agree or disagree with any of them is entirely up to you!

No one accused you of looking to save money. What I said about people who do that was in response to another comment made by a member about how people don't trust vets and must come to YT. I just found that to be inaccurate and said so. Many people DO come here not to spend money....I was not referring to you. Clearly you had gone to a vet already!

Welcome to YT and I am sorry you are taking things personal. Many things stated had nothing to do with you ... they were stated because I think it is a shame when people want to bad mouth the veterinary profession.

Originally Posted by miikah rae (Post 2836872)

Oh I'm not taking things personal just wanted u to knw I am not those that do look for a cheaper way out. I'm just apologizing if anybody else's feelings were hurt over my topic of discussion. I am NOT afraid to hear others opinions and dont take things to heart I take what i can and leave what i cant. Thanks for the welcome:D

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2836826)

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2836710)

What facts? The facts according to JeanieK?

The facts that I am referring to are exactly what I stated that happend in my own personl exeperience.

Do you have some knowledge of those instances that I am not aware of???????


I can tell you this much....it will be a cold day in that hot place down below when I will get on YT and ask for emergency advice ... or call a breeder. If it is daytime, I call my vet. If it is nighttime or a weekend I will go to the EC. Of course, I do not go unless it is beyond my knowledge base which I do consider to be quite rounded.

Yes it is clear that you believe it to be quite rounded


As to why some people get on YT for medical/veterinary advice, let's be honest and call it like it is. They don't want to spend the money ... There are many who do that...it is not because they do not trust vets.

I don't believe that people are coming on here as an alternative to going to the vet. They just want to see how others have dealt with the matter and to see if others think it is serious enough to go to the vet. Many have already been to the vet, such as this OP, and are wondering how others feel about the diagnosis.

But...you are saying to me that a breeder has more knowledge than a vet? I would think that not too many reputable breeders will back you on that statement. Maybe I am wrong...who knows. I just think these facts of yours are incredulous.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2836859)

You got exactly what you asked for....different opinions. Whether you agree or disagree with any of them is entirely up to you!

No one accused you of looking to save money. What I said about people who do that was in response to another comment made by a member about how people don't trust vets and must come to YT. I just found that to be inaccurate and said so. Many people DO come here not to spend money....I was not referring to you. Clearly you had gone to a vet already!

Welcome to YT and I am sorry you are taking things personal. Many things stated had nothing to do with you ... they were stated because I think it is a shame when people want to bad mouth the veterinary profession.

Originally Posted by danyellm (Post 2837062)

I am the breeder that Autumn came from..When I first learned of the diagnosis needless to say I was in shock.Autumns mom had a fecal test done days before delivery (when we had our x-ray)it came out negative.Pups were also wormed 2x .Mine are also all on frontline plus,and interceptor which they get 10 months out of the year.I am not sure how Autumn ended up with this diagnosis when all her siblings had all clear check ups and we have had a flea in my home in almost 5 years(before yorkies but when we had indoor/outdoor cats).It does give me some hesitation with this vets diagnosis but I had offered to refund med costs as well as a full refund of the puppy if she had wanted to return her if she had any doubt of Autumns health.
I think in some situations a second opinion could be beneficial.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2836861)

If a person states something I believe to be totally inaccurate, I am going to post what I believe. If they take the defensive, then that is their problem, not mine.

Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 2837009)

most vets do not buy meds from places on the internet that the general public can order from as well.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2837402)

Stating that you disagree with someone is totally different than attacking the person. I disagree with what you say but have made no personal attacks on you.

I also believe it is wrong to rephrase what someone wrote to make it sound like they said something that they did not say.

That is why it is good to quote the person or make reference to the post number so others can read for themselves what the actual words were.

And that is precisely why I repeat my self in these threads because some people are famous for rephrasing things and taking things out of context. You know, like reporters frequently do to make a politician look bad.

I have been chastised several times in this thread for telling the OP "NOT TO TAKE THE PUPPY TO THE VET, OR NOT TO LISTEN TO THE VET".

If anyone can quote exactly where I said that I will humbly applologize to everyone reading this, for having given such terrible advice.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2837414)

No they do not, they can get them even cheaper. they are the exact same products from the exact same manufacturers. But they get them in much larger quantities, probably directly from the manufacturer. They do not have to go through a third party.

Panaur
Albon and
Flagyl

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2837429)

I missed where you were chastised for telling the OP "NOT TO TAKE THE PUPPY TO THE VET, OR TO LISTEN TO THE VET". I note that you quoted someone....I surely do not think that was a quote from me.

I DO, however, feel that you said a lot of negative things about vets in general that might lead to someone not trusting vets, especially the PLANTING of worms or whatever it was in fecal samples in order to make more money from prescriptions. As I said before....just incredulous.

Yes, you are correct about reputations.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2837434)

These are all cheap for small dogs anyway. I seriously do NOT get any of this.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2837444)

Post #27

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2837452)

This discussion was not with you. It was with Kalina82. I really do not get where she is going with this either.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2837455)

If you do not want people to respond to your posts, then use PM! :)

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2837465)

Where did I say that I did not want people to respond to my posts. You said that you did not get any of this. I said that the discussion was not with you and that I did not get it either. But she brought it up so I responded to it.

This might sound a bit paranoid, but it seems that some people are now trying to make everything I post sound bad or negative or wrong or unbleievable.

I'm not really a paranoid person but some of these responses to my posts are a bit out there.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2837454)

Here is my EXACT quote...and yes, I do believe that you led her to believe her vet is a crackpot as you feel about many vets.....unbelievable that you think they conspire to rip people off. I am finished with this...seems to be a common thing lately.
Wonder what the real agenda is?

think what you want and do what you want, just don't tell people not to listen to their vets when their dogs are infected with something. coccidea and even the common round worm can kill a puppy if left untreated.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2837481)

No one is trying to make anything sound like anything but what it is. I would not say NO ONE, when someone is questioning everything I post, to where even you did not understand where those comments were going. I personally find the remarks you made about professionals to be, as you said, out there. I guess some people will agree with you, but I doubt many. It is your opinion....and I have mine.

My opinions were base on personal experience. If you had experienced the same thing, you might have different opinions. Each of us are the sum of our experiences so each of us looks at things differently.

In the end we all own just what we put into print.

I take ownership of what I write, but not of what others have rephrased.



Now, as I said, I am finished with this thread. I only posted in the first place because I felt the veterinary profession was being maligned. I said what I felt and stand by every word of what I said.

And so do I

I would not have the happy, healthy pups I have if not for a wonderful vet!

Fortunately I have not needed a vet to make my puppies healthy, they have arrived healthy and remained healthy.

My vets own words, when I had the puppies in for their health checks before going to their new homes was. "It is so nice to see such healthy puppies."

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2837452)

This discussion was not with you. It was with Kalina82. I really do not get where she is going with this either.

Originally Posted by kalina82 (Post 2837602)

Obviously... :rolleyes:

i'm done with this as well. its pointless for me to argue with you about the veterinary field in which i have first hand knowledge of. what you think are opinions of mine, are indeed fact, whether you want to believe them or not. a lot of your statements are wrong and i tried to correct them so that other people reading this thread will not be confused by your ridiculous statements. say whatever else you want but i will no longer be responding since its pointless.