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dianethomas 04-16-2009 08:55 AM

I know he's in pain
 
A couple of weeks ago, I noticed Zaccheus was running strangely, and said something to DH. He said that he always ran that way, so I let it go.

But Zacchie has stopped jumping up on the bed. At first I figured it was because he knew I would help him, so he was being lazy. But yesterday he wouldn't even jump up on the couch.

I checked him all over, and his right hind leg or hip seems to be the cause of some pain. I can extend his left leg all the way straight, but when I try to extend his right, he softly whimpers and trembles.

After looking through here, and doing some research, I think he may have hip displasia, which I understand is pretty rare in small breeds.

I gave him some Metacam, and will give him another dose this afternoon. I'm trying to see if he may have just pulled a muscle, or just be sore for some reason. His vet is not in today, so I will take him in tomorrow morning for x-rays if he's not feeling better. Right now he will run and walk on it, but when he stands, he holds it up ever so slightly.

Any other ideas?

TLC 04-16-2009 09:13 AM

Yes

hip displasia
luxating patella
spine - dics issues

You need to bring to the Vet :(

PiePiper 04-16-2009 09:31 AM

My Piper was not jumping on things, kind of walking a little hunched and then started to carry her right leg off and on. Took her to the vets and the vet knew it was her hip and recommended x-rays. She had Legg Perthes Disease which affects the ball of the femur that fits in the hip socket. The bone isn't getting enough of a blood supply and it starts to die. Piper had a couple bone chips floating in the socket and the ball of the femur was pitted, cracked and malformed. She had surgery 4 months ago and is doing great!

Mom to Hot Rod 04-16-2009 09:40 AM

We just sorta when thru this and found out that Hot Rod had grade 3 luxating patella. We are in recuperation from surgery as we speak. Please get him checked out as soon as possible. :)

dianethomas 04-16-2009 10:17 AM

I just got off the phone with Zacchie's vet. (love him! he called me back on his day off!)
He wants to see Zacchie in the morning. I told him all about it, and he said he'd wager it's a luxating patella.
The problem is, I know what that feels like, and it doesn't feel like that.
Anyhow, he said the Metacam is fine for today, and just bring him in tomorrow morning.
Meanwhile, I think I should keep him quiet, but how do I when he just wants to play ball? LOL!

stedmansmommy 04-16-2009 10:42 AM

Your poor little angel! I hope he is ok :( My little girl just had Luxating Patella surgery and is currently recovering - she was in alot of pain before her surgery as well. I pray that this isn't what your baby has :cry: Please keep us posted!

P.S. - Have you already given him a full dose of Metacam today? You are only supposed to give Metacam once daily. Just thought I would let you know :)

dianethomas 04-16-2009 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by stedmansmommy (Post 2580436)
Your poor little angel! I hope he is ok :( My little girl just had Luxating Patella surgery and is currently recovering - she was in alot of pain before her surgery as well. I pray that this isn't what your baby has :cry: Please keep us posted!

P.S. - Have you already given him a full dose of Metacam today? You are only supposed to give Metacam once daily. Just thought I would let you know :)

Thanks for making sure I knew that. I did, BTW, but you never know about these things. He had a dose yesterday around 2, and another one about 30 minutes ago. I know it wasn't quite 24 hours, but Dr. Tim said it would be okay. I wasn't sure how being on it would affect any testing he does tomorrow, but he said it was no problem.

BonBon 04-16-2009 11:38 AM

I'm sorry your baby is hurting. Please let us know how it goes at the vet tomorrow. My thoughts and prayers will be with you both.

manolos mom 04-16-2009 11:53 AM

Poor baby, I hope its just a pulled muscle.

stedmansmommy 04-16-2009 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dianethomas (Post 2580446)
Thanks for making sure I knew that. I did, BTW, but you never know about these things. He had a dose yesterday around 2, and another one about 30 minutes ago. I know it wasn't quite 24 hours, but Dr. Tim said it would be okay. I wasn't sure how being on it would affect any testing he does tomorrow, but he said it was no problem.

Oh ok, I didn't know that it had been so close to being 24 hours apart - should be no problem then! :) I thought that you were giving 2 doses of the same amount on the same day - only hours or so apart. Hope that made sense? :confused: LOL.

Your welcome though, and I do pray that everything goes well tomorrow for your sweet baby! :hands:

dianethomas 04-16-2009 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by stedmansmommy (Post 2580704)
Oh ok, I didn't know that it had been so close to being 24 hours apart - should be no problem then! :) I thought that you were giving 2 doses of the same amount on the same day - only hours or so apart. Hope that made sense? :confused: LOL.

Your welcome though, and I do pray that everything goes well tomorrow for your sweet baby! :hands:

Oh, you made perfect sense, sweetie.
And really. Thanks for caring about my baby.
I hate for him to be in pain.

Britster 04-16-2009 04:55 PM

Aw, poor little guy! Let us know of his diagnosis!

dianethomas 04-17-2009 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by PiePiper (Post 2580325)
My Piper was not jumping on things, kind of walking a little hunched and then started to carry her right leg off and on. Took her to the vets and the vet knew it was her hip and recommended x-rays. She had Legg Perthes Disease which affects the ball of the femur that fits in the hip socket. The bone isn't getting enough of a blood supply and it starts to die. Piper had a couple bone chips floating in the socket and the ball of the femur was pitted, cracked and malformed. She had surgery 4 months ago and is doing great!

Well, cr@p! It looks like Zaccheus has Legg-Calve-Perthes Disease. It is in the very early stages, and we will be managing it for a while with anti-inflamatory drugs and joint support suppliments.
Unfortunately, surgery is not an option for us financially right now, but Doc says he wouldn't even recommend it today if we could. He's got at least a year, maybe two or three before he will be advanced enough to need it. By then, we can be ready.
Meanwhile, thanks for keeping us in your thoughts. I've been an emotional wreck today.

TLC 04-17-2009 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dianethomas (Post 2582348)
Well, cr@p! It looks like Zaccheus has Legg-Calve-Perthes Disease. It is in the very early stages, and we will be managing it for a while with anti-inflamatory drugs and joint support suppliments.
Unfortunately, surgery is not an option for us financially right now, but Doc says he wouldn't even recommend it today if we could. He's got at least a year, maybe two or three before he will be advanced enough to need it. By then, we can be ready.
Meanwhile, thanks for keeping us in your thoughts. I've been an emotional wreck today.

Ahhhh....I am so sorry that was the results. I did suspect FHO :(

mommy2bella 04-17-2009 11:26 AM

:(
 
Bless his little heart! I hope the anti inflamatory pills work well for him to ease the pain. You never know...maybe it will be a very slow developing thing! It is good that he still wants to play ball and all though! Poor little guy. KISSES TO HIM!

VetNutJim 04-17-2009 09:37 PM

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Well, cr@p! It looks like Zaccheus has Legg-Calve-Perthes Disease. It is in the very early stages, and we will be managing it for a while with anti-inflamatory drugs and joint support suppliments.
My vet gave my baby angel Savannah an anti-inflamatory back in October or 2008.
She had an alergic reaction to the drug and her kidneys stopped functioning. That happened after 3 doses of 1/4 tablet. (Deramaxx)
It's been six months and I'm still crying every day.
Please watch Zaccheus closely and if there any sign of him being very lethargic and not feeling like even getting up, stop giving him the medication and contact his doctor.

I HAD that one in a few million little baby girl. I trusted the vet. Never gave a second thought to the risk the medication posed. Now my little Savannah angel is gone and I'm still grieving 6 months later..
Get on the internet. Research the complications that 'may' occur with EVERY medication the vet prescribes.
Decide if the risk is acceptable to you.
You WON'T always receive the sheet that contains all the contraindications on it. So make SURE you get that information and discuss any concerns about the medications with your vet.
The life you save may be that of Zaccheus.

Best of luck to you and little Zaccheus.

dianethomas 04-18-2009 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by VetNutJim (Post 2583226)
My vet gave my baby angel Savannah an anti-inflamatory back in October or 2008.
She had an alergic reaction to the drug and her kidneys stopped functioning. That happened after 3 doses of 1/4 tablet. (Deramaxx)
It's been six months and I'm still crying every day.
Please watch Zaccheus closely and if there any sign of him being very lethargic and not feeling like even getting up, stop giving him the medication and contact his doctor.

I HAD that one in a few million little baby girl. I trusted the vet. Never gave a second thought to the risk the medication posed. Now my little Savannah angel is gone and I'm still grieving 6 months later..
Get on the internet. Research the complications that 'may' occur with EVERY medication the vet prescribes.
Decide if the risk is acceptable to you.
You WON'T always receive the sheet that contains all the contraindications on it. So make SURE you get that information and discuss any concerns about the medications with your vet.
The life you save may be that of Zaccheus.

Best of luck to you and little Zaccheus.

Thank you Jim.
I remember your little Savannah, and her sad, sad story.
I will be sure to watch Zacchie very closely for any signs of adverse reactions.
I know you are still missing your little angel, and thankful that you are watching this board to keep others aware of the dangers we don't always think about.
Hugs to you.

dianethomas 05-25-2009 07:05 AM

I had a chat with Dr. Tim yesterday. Zacchie is having a hard go of it lately. (I suspect the weather plays a lot into how he's feeling.) But he's not getting the relief I hoped he'd get. He's not showing any adverse reaction to the anti-inflammatory drug he's on, but I'm reluctant to try anything stronger. I don't want to lose him like Jim lost Savannah. But when he can't even assist a climb onto the couch, and he's holding his leg up when he stands, I'm thinking he needs something more.
So Dr. Tim suggested doing laser therapy on him, and seeing if it helps. The research I've done seems like it might help him.
Does anyone know anything about it?

dianethomas 06-02-2009 03:32 PM

Laser therapy didn't help him even a little, and he's really degenerating faster than anyone could have expected. We are going to have to do surgery sooner, rather than later. Thankfully, our vet is willing to take payments, and told me not to let the financial end stop us from doing what Zacchie needs. He's such a great friend and doctor!

I admit, I am more than a little afraid about the FHO, as it seems rather barbaric. Dr. Tim is going to be putting in an implant, rather than letting the ligaments do the job. I am actually glad he's planning that. So he'll have a prosthetic femoral head.

cashsmommy 06-02-2009 05:47 PM

good luck! we are all thinking and praying for you and your little furry one.

LunasMomma 06-03-2009 03:22 AM

Awww poor kiddo:( I'm sorry he has to have the surgery already, but there are quite a few pups on here that have had lots of success with it, so that's a plus. I'm sure he'll feel much better after the surgery and healing are behind him. How great of your vet to take payments, you've got a good one there!

Good luck and please keep us all posted:) Oh, love his name, btw, my ex MIL had a tiny little apricot-colored poodle with that name:D

PiePiper 06-03-2009 10:59 AM

I think you'll find that you've made the right decision in going forward and having Zaccheus's surgery. Piper had her surgery on December 28. She had just started to carry the hind leg, yet didn't seem to be in pain. After a week of carrying that leg once in awhile, I had a gut feeling that something bad was going on. She was 7 months old and weighed 5 lbs. and the vet said being that she was young and weighed so little that she would heal quickly and be 100% again. He was so right. Piper is running and jumping again. Every day the two of us take a 3 mile walk and she never carries the leg or limps. Before you know it Zaccheus will be as good as new and most importantly pain free.

dianethomas 06-08-2009 09:58 AM

I spoke with Dr. Tim yesterday at church, and told him Zacchie is going downhill quickly.
We have an appointment Friday afternoon for re-evaluation, which will most likely be a pre-op consultation.
I'm wanting to take care of it before he has too much muscle atrophy, and hopefully he should make a quick recovery.
I HATE for him to be in pain, and he's not using it at all, except for balance.

I'll tell you what, Zaccheus' complications make me so thankful for Cricket's good health!

ARCHIE 06-08-2009 10:08 AM

Sending best wishes for your little boy.
Poor baby, it must break your heart to see him in pain.
Good luck with Friday's appointment. Hope you can schedule
surgery soon so he can get better.

zoeybear 06-08-2009 10:38 AM

We will be keeping you in our thoughts. Please keep us updated on how Zacchie is doing and when surgery is scheduled. ((hugs))

BLEU BOY BARBER 06-08-2009 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dianethomas (Post 2582348)
Well, cr@p! It looks like Zaccheus has Legg-Calve-Perthes Disease. It is in the very early stages, and we will be managing it for a while with anti-inflamatory drugs and joint support suppliments.
Unfortunately, surgery is not an option for us financially right now, but Doc says he wouldn't even recommend it today if we could. He's got at least a year, maybe two or three before he will be advanced enough to need it. By then, we can be ready.
Meanwhile, thanks for keeping us in your thoughts. I've been an emotional wreck today.

I am sorry to hear about your baby I did want to tell you the state of Tenn where you live has a vetnarian college and they will do the surgery and put you on a payment plan since I had read earlier of financial distress. We did this for my BLEU BOY and I was able to get him all the care he needed and pay later.:)

dianethomas 06-15-2009 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by zoeybear (Post 2659317)
We will be keeping you in our thoughts. Please keep us updated on how Zacchie is doing and when surgery is scheduled. ((hugs))

Zacchie is scheduled for surgery in the morning. I'm trying not to think about it too much, because I'm scared.
When Dr. Tim saw the new X-ray, he was surprised at the rapid progression.
I'll be dropping him off early in the morning, and he'll be staying the night.
I'll keep you all updated.

dianethomas 06-16-2009 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dianethomas (Post 2670107)
Zacchie is scheduled for surgery in the morning. I'm trying not to think about it too much, because I'm scared.
When Dr. Tim saw the new X-ray, he was surprised at the rapid progression.
I'll be dropping him off early in the morning, and he'll be staying the night.
I'll keep you all updated.

Well, his surgery went fine. Doc said that his heart rate wanted to drop right at the beginning, but they were all over it, and he is doing just fine.
Since he has special needs, with his cleft, Doc let me go ahead and bring him home this evening, with strict instructions to call him at home, or on his cell if I have a question or a problem.
Have I mentioned that Dr. Tim is a friend, besides being a gifted vet and surgeon, and that we love him???
Zacchie is still pretty much out of it, but has eaten a few bites of bread. He can't stand, but as I was reminded, I am seeing him sooner after the surgery than most people see their post-op dogs.
Keep us in your prayers tonight. I'm sleeping on the couch next to his crate, just to keep watch over him.

yorkiepaws 06-16-2009 04:38 PM

So glad Zacchie's surgery went well. I hope he has a restful night, and hopefully you can get some sleep too. I'm sure you have been so stressed over this. Please keep us updated on his progress.

LunasMomma 06-16-2009 05:54 PM

I'm so glad to hear that Zach's surgery went well:) How wonderful that you are so close with the vet, that must fell so good to know that you can call him any time.

He'll be bouncing around soon:love:


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