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Hmmmm...very interesting. At least you have an answer, but still, this is unusual. Interestingly, last year a male (human :p) friend of ours suddenly was Dx w/ fatty liver - he was normal wt, not diabetic, and not a drinker. My sister is an internist, so I ran all of his tests by her and described what was going on. She indicated that fatty liver is often completely idiopathic, which seems so odd to me, but that's what she said. She also said that it can resolve very easily for some people within 6 months or so. Sure enough, my friend ate a lower fat diet, cut out all alcohol, exercised a little more than usual - and after about 6 mths or so, his liver tested totally normal. So, I know it's awful not to know a cause, but I guess this is common w/ fatty liver. The Petzlife issue is concerning too...makes me wonder... |
Michele - I'm happy to hear Lacy is feeling better. You've brought up several items that we've been concerned about as well. Petzlife... I started using it a couple of years ago but found that the kids really didn't like it. It smelled so strong. I stopped using it but saw that there was an increase in tarter on their teeth. I did start using again but I diluted it. I only use it once a week - at bath time and I try to brush with a toothpaste a couple of times a week. Raw diet... I know that some people are totally into this and I don't discourage anyone from doing it. We did try it on Mia when she was under a year old because we had such a hard time trying to get her to eat anything. Maybe we have OCD but just the fact that it was raw and the bacteria that could develop - scared us. Mia had problems when we first got her and we have had to try many different foods to find one that would keep her stools firm and one that she would eat. I'm not crazy about the Science Diet that she's on - but it is doing the job. Maybe we should post a poll on the Petzlife. I'm really curious about that now. |
Thanks for the update. I agree that Petzlife is a NO NO - there is no need to give our dogs something with grain alcohol in it. We use Maxi/Guard :thumbup: Have you joined the Dog Liver Disease group on Yahoo yet? (Olga) does incredible research and I bet she could help guide you ;) TJ was on Tylan for just under 1 year. His folate levels were sky high, they Vet said IBD (bacteria overgrowth). Tylan was the only thing that helped stop his episodes :) -Nicole |
This is all very much interesting. As it seems Lacy and Tanj are in the same boat. Just out of the blue Tanj started having liver issues too. And I too was feeding NV raw chicken but only for about 3 months before everything started. And I was using Petzlife 1-2 times a day for about 2-3 months. So I think it may be some kind of relation somewhere. When I took Tanj to the vet 2 weeks ago the vet asked if she had gotten into anything that could have been poisonous and I racked my brain for about a week, and out of the blue Petzlife popped in my mind. So I too will be digging for answers. |
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Lacy does not need to be on a protein-restricted diet...just a lower fat diet with novel proteins... I'm going to make the Dr. Dodd's liver diet today just so she'll have something low fat and with fish to eat for a few days until I get other supplements I would need for other diets. But she can't be on that for long because it's way too low in protein. I saw a link to a nutritionist..Dr. Susan Davis I think..in another thread. I'm just wondering if I ought to consult a nutritionist. Or do any of you have holistic nutritionists that do phone consults? |
Here are something interesting I found about Petzlife (I'm still searching): Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Petzlife Oral Care Gel and Spray Read "beware, has grain alcohol No MyFairLady I have not gotten an exact diagnosis for Tanj. My vet is pretty much treating it as a poisoning case. I will be contacting Petzlife after I do a little bit more digging. |
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We communicate through emails. The diet cost $140 - it will be created with human ingredients and human supplements/vitamins. He is highly recommended. Let me know if you want his contact info. Here is the Yahoo Group: DogLiverDisease : Dog Liver Disease |
I am so glad you did not have to go the weekend waiting on the results and you can now rest knowing you have a plan and can move forward. I am very glad you posted about the PETZLIFE it never even dawned on me and just this week I was going to start using it. I will think twice now;) Continued Prayers for you and your babies. HUGS Vicki |
I have three diets formulated by a nutritionist. They were created for Ellie but should work here. They are all 24% protein and 18% fat. One is standard chicken or turkey with grain or sweet potato and veggies, one is whitefish, sweet potato and oatmeal and one is egg and sweet potato. Two of them contain fish oil. They all use Balance IT K ( the Balance IT type recommended for liver compromised dogs which does not contain the controversial menadione that the regular Balance IT contains). Balance IT can also give you a list of human supplements that you can use instead. The calcium/phos. they use is something that contains SLS which I was kind of uneasy about. Let me know if you are interested in any of the diets we have here. And since you can add about 10% unbalanced food to most dog diets without needing to readjust cal/phos ratio, etc., you could probably add a couple extra bites of protein a day if you wanted to. |
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Even though the vet recommended the discontinuing of Petzlife, it doesn't' mean the Petzlife caused the problem. The vet even said" it's "unlikely that Petzlife caused the problem", he just thinks it's safer not to give it to a dog with liver problems, which is common sense. I just hope everyone doesn't over generalize. Only you know how much of the product you used, but tartar is such a problem with yorkies, and I hate to see a good product vilified, if there is indeed no problem. I think it's great that you told the company, but I hope people are careful about what they pass as facts. I have long thought that raw was not the best choice for small breed dogs, and I believe that this should be looked at more closely, but I don't think anyone can generalize much from this. Best of luck with Lacy. |
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It will be interesting to see if the low fat homemade diet makes a difference. It did with the little Maltese, Quincy. All his bloodwork was completely normal after a change in diet. BTW, Quincy's mom was and still is using Petzlife. |
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