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KimberlySRN 01-17-2009 05:23 PM

I'm so sorry to hear about your little Olive.
My Suri is almost 7 months old and just under 2 pounds, and they won't spay her because she is smaller.

Deegan's mom 01-17-2009 05:29 PM

I'm in shock with you about Olive, and am so terribly sorry this happened... I can't imagine how you must be feeling. But try to remember that Olive knew that you were trying to do what was best for her... You couldn't have seen this coming. I know people have talked about it, but I've never actually heard of it happening. Don't blame yourself. God bless lil' Olive.

NewYorkieLover 01-17-2009 05:45 PM

I am so, so very sorry to hear of the loss of your sweet, little Olive! :cry:

I don't remember Lexi's exact weight, but I think she was just under or just over three pounds, and I had her spayed right on her 6 month birthday. I, too, had read enough about making sure they are spayed before their first heat, so I did that, trying to do the best for her. I did question whether or not she was too small, but then, she was never supposed to get much bigger. The tiniest Yorkies will never reach 3 pounds at all! Then, what to do?

I cried when I left Lexi at the vet, as I was so worried. What has happened to you is what we all fear greatly. I wish I could take your pain away. I can't even imagine how much it hurts... :hug:

Please remember that you made the choice you did because you believed it was the best. You loved Olive, and you showed it. What happened may have had nothing to do with her weight. There are some things that happen that we just can't understand.

Thinking of you and sweet Olive... :littleang

LilMissy 01-17-2009 08:24 PM

I just wanted to offer my condolences. I am so sad for you. I have to get Missy spayed and I'm so worried about it. I haven't set up the appt yet because she is only 17 weeks old and 2 lbs. Reading about Olive has gotten me even more uptight about going through with the spay. I will have to research more.
I'm so sorry for your loss. :(

YorkieMumma 01-17-2009 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LilMissy (Post 2424450)
I just wanted to offer my condolences. I am so sad for you. I have to get Missy spayed and I'm so worried about it. I haven't set up the appt yet because she is only 17 weeks old and 2 lbs. Reading about Olive has gotten me even more uptight about going through with the spay. I will have to research more.
I'm so sorry for your loss. :(

Spaying is not a bad thing, there are definite benefits. However, I think the important thing is to determine WHEN is the best time for your individual puppy, as determined by: her age, her weight, her overall health, etc. Do not be pressured by your vet, just because they say "6 months old is our policy" or whatever. Vets should know that you cannot make a blanket policy on living creatures! Every puppy is different. Please do not rush, and wait until your baby is over 3 lbs if possible, 4lbs even. This is something you cannot do over if something goes wrong ----this I know. :( God bless your little one and keep her safe.

Wrenee4 01-17-2009 08:49 PM

I am so sorry about your baby :( What horrible news and I can't imagine the pain you are going through right now. :(
My Nadia was a little over a year when we spayed her and had the puppy teeth removed. She hadn't come into heat yet. Somtimes when they are smaller it takes them longer, but really you never know for sure what can happen.

dawn_4040 01-17-2009 10:32 PM

I am so sorry...how terrible and scary.
May you always have her as a angle over your shoulder .

MauiGirl 01-17-2009 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieMumma (Post 2423827)
I can't express how healing and comforting it is to read everyone's loving words. It is my second day without little Olive now, and I have been a zombie, stuck in bed in my PJs (with little Violet by my side). All I want to do is stay in bed and try to sleep, or if I can't, loggin to YT to read your kind words. THANK You so much. It is helping me and my husband somehow cope.

Txgurl06, my heart is with you too. We are sisters in experiencing this nightmare together.

Several of you have asked me about pictures of little Olive. I made an album with pics of her, and Violet (her older sister), and some of our furball family.

It was the first I've looked at pictures of Olive since she died, and it was like a knife piercing my heart. I have a terrible headache from crying. But as painful as it is, it was also cathartic to look as some of her pictures again. Oh my little sweetheart, Olive. Mumma loves you so much, and I wish I could kiss you and hold you again. I can still imagine how you smell. I love you so much, my little angel.

I hope you enjoy the pictures of little Olive. Thanks to my YT family for your prayers and support. I love you all.


I just saw the pictures in your album; both Violet and Olive are so beautiful. I've thought of you losing Olive many times today, and continue to send prayers of comfort and healing to you and your family. It is just so very sad and unfair to lose your furbaby so young, while trying to do something good for her.

Keep coming back here to check in and get more hugs whenever you can. Many of us have lost a pet, and even those who haven't share in your heart ache. It takes a very long time to get thru this, and replace the tears with smiles from sweet memories of your baby.

Txgurl06 01-18-2009 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieMumma (Post 2423827)
I can't express how healing and comforting it is to read everyone's loving words. It is my second day without little Olive now, and I have been a zombie, stuck in bed in my PJs (with little Violet by my side). All I want to do is stay in bed and try to sleep, or if I can't, loggin to YT to read your kind words. THANK You so much. It is helping me and my husband somehow cope.

Txgurl06, my heart is with you too. We are sisters in experiencing this nightmare together.

Several of you have asked me about pictures of little Olive. I made an album with pics of her, and Violet (her older sister), and some of our furball family.

It was the first I've looked at pictures of Olive since she died, and it was like a knife piercing my heart. I have a terrible headache from crying. But as painful as it is, it was also cathartic to look as some of her pictures again. Oh my little sweetheart, Olive. Mumma loves you so much, and I wish I could kiss you and hold you again. I can still imagine how you smell. I love you so much, my little angel.

I hope you enjoy the pictures of little Olive. Thanks to my YT family for your prayers and support. I love you all.

you are right we do share this. I hope not to share it with anyone else though! That morning i got to the vets office a little early and i had to wait for the vet to open. So skoshi and me just sat in the car and i took a couple of pics of him. I dont know y i did it he just looked so cute. I had the worst feeling to and i cried the whole night before , that morning all the way there and after i dropped him off. I wanted to just say forget it but i didnt because i believed it was truly the right thing. It was sooo hard when i walked into the vet and i just wanted it to be a dream but instead out they came with his little body in a pastic bag. I ran outside crying! this may sound weird but when we got home and i got the courage i could not stand to see him in the bags, so i ripped them open and just sat there and petted him for the longest time. I remember talking to him asking him to just please open his eyes and be okay. I also told him how sorry i was for leaving him and that i hoped he wasnt mad. that may seem weird to yall but when yall go through it you will understand. I started a new job that night and had no choice but to go to work but my dad made him a casket and my family buried him. Time does ease the pain. We still constantly talk about skoshi and remember him in our home. Sometimes i slip up and will call my other boy skoshi. You really have to work with yourself to heal your pain and know that its not your fault. Even today i feel like i could have done something and i feel so bad but its not healthy to be like that and you got to just live with no regrets and know you were trying to help her. skoshi was my first yorkie and will never be forgotten and we went through hell getting him just to have him taken away! you will never forget olive but try to heal.

msjagg 01-18-2009 12:26 AM

I am so sorry to hear of Olive and Skoshi's deaths. I know that there is nothing I can say to ease your pain ! Please know that both families are in my Thoughts and Prayers over the loss of your:hands::ghug: little ones way too soon!! Please remember all the wonderful memories and may they help your hearts to heal in the days to come... Blessings and Hugs to all, :rip::rbyorkie: R.I.P. Olive... :rip::angelyork R.I.P. Skoshi

rosey442 01-18-2009 03:39 AM

I am so sorry for you. And can only begin to imagine how you must feel. This makes me feel a little scared and nervous about Molly being spayed; as she is 3lbs and 41/2 months old now. I think I will wait until she's at least 6 months old, if not older. :angelyork

Diego 01-18-2009 03:46 AM

I am so sorry for your loss , you are in my thoughts and prayers .

Tanjay 01-18-2009 04:48 AM

OMG, I feel sick with reading all the posts, my Heart goes out to you and your lost Little Olive:sad:. Deefa my last dog I took to be neutured and I didnt think twice, but for some reason I cannot bring myself to have Buddy done, even my husband is saying 'does he need to be done?'

tiggerr36792 01-18-2009 05:56 AM

I am so very sorry for your loss. My heart goes out to you!! I don't know about your area, but here in Calif most vets say they can be spayed safely when they are atleast 2 lbs. Olive R.I.P little one.

Nancy1999 01-20-2009 09:10 AM

I am so sorry you had to go through this, my prayers are with you.

shirlblack 01-20-2009 09:14 AM

I'm so sorry for your loss and my prayers are with you.

TurkletonsMom 01-20-2009 09:16 AM

((((YorkieMumma)))) I am so sorry for your loss.

jfalz73 01-20-2009 09:16 AM

I so very sorry for your loss...my heart goes out to you!

Jenn218 01-20-2009 09:19 AM

:love: RIP precious baby :cry:
I am truly sorry to hear about your loss!

Dina_Nichole 01-20-2009 09:54 AM

I am so very sorry you lost your baby. :(

greeniis 01-20-2009 06:52 PM

I am so very, very sorry for your tragic loss. I absolutely know how much your heart hurts.
May peace be with you.

phfgkl 01-20-2009 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by YorkieMumma (Post 2422958)
This is my first time to post a thread. My heart is broken and I feel physical pain and sorrow as I write this. Yesterday, my darling little baby girl, Olive died while undergoing surgery for spaying. She would have been 8 months old this Jan. 27. I am filled with grief, but at the same time my mind is reelling in shock. WHY WHY did this happen? Is this more common than I know?? Olive was a tiny girl, only 2 lbs 13 oz, but very strong and playful.

My vet used the "safest" gas anethesia, and he used the lowest level possible. He said that if he used any lower, she would wake up. Immediately after the spay surgery, he moved on to remove 4 of her puppy teeth. It is my understanding that this is common --- to spay and remove puppy teeth at the same time, so that the puppy goes under only once. By the third teeth, her little heart stopped beating. They immediately tried to get her heart started again. Her heart started beating for a few minutes, then it started to slow down, until it stopped again. Little Olive could not keep her heart beating.

My worst nightmare came true. You hear about this happening, but never think it will happen to you. WE are brainwashed to "spay the puppy before she comes into her first heat, otherwise she will get breast/ovarian cancer", and are thus pressured to spay early or at least 6 months old, for fear of the first heat. But now I question, what is more un-natural for a puppy, coming into a heat (as God intended for reproduction) or putting a young, small Yorkie puppy under anesthesia?

I wish I had waited until Olive was older, maybe 3.5 lbs or heavier before putting her under anesthesia. But because of the "fear of the first heat", lost my common sense. Growing up, I've had many female dogs that were not spayed until later in life. ALL grew to live long healthy lives.

For those who own very tiny Yorkies out there, do you remember how old or weight they were when they were spayed? I am now completely tramatized, and vow never to spay a female Yorkie until they are over ONE year old (heat or no heat).

As a new comer to YorkieTalk, I am thankful to have found such a wonderful, caring community of Yorkie lovers.

I am so sorry to hear about your little Olive. Maybe there was another reason that happened to her. My vet seems to think the smaller they are, the better they do. There have been some much bigger than Olive that have died having surgery, just like people, some people die when they have aneshtesia.
I know I'm going to have to have my little girl done soon also, she's not quite 2 1/2 lbs and is a little over 7 mos, but, she will never get to 3 1/2 lbs. just like Little Olive probably never would have. I'm sure your heart is breaking, and I am so so sorry for your loss

phfgkl 01-20-2009 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 2422978)
I am so, so sorry about your Olive. I have heard they need to three pounds for anesthesia, but Olive was so close.

Did you have pre op bloodwork done? A bile acids test? Could she have had an underlying health issue that caused the problem with the anesthesia?

Actually, they can be under 3 lbs. they just don't give as much anesthesia

AVERYxo 01-20-2009 09:11 PM

i am so so sorry for the loss of your lil baby girl!! :( :( i can only imagine what you are feeling!! :cry: my heart goes out to you!! :hands:

Wabbit 01-20-2009 10:17 PM

Oh what a tragedy for you and the others that have lost their babies in surgery!!!!! My heart has just broke reading through this thread....

I too am facing a similiar situation with my Tulip...she\'s 5 months old and my vet is encouraging me to schedule her appointment...she\'s not even 2 1/2 lbs yet!!!! I don\'t know if she has any baby teeth left...but I\'m terrified!

She\'s so small and fragile. I plan on having all the pre-op testing done...etc....but knowing you did it and still lost your baby...that has unnerved me!!!

Please know my heart goes out to you and your family!!! And you\'ve given me alot to think about in the days ahead!!!!

Please do not beat yourself up with the "what ifs"...that will only tear you up more...You are a wonderful mommy that was only acting in your babies best interests... Sometimes tragedies like this happen...and there is no explanation...no rhyme or reason to it...it\'s just a sad tragic part of life here on earth. I\'m sure Olive was adored and had a very happy life with you...and when your heart heals up a bit...you will be able to look back at the wonderful memories you have of her..and know that you are truly blessed to have had such a precious creature in your life....if even for a fleeting moment!
HUGS!!!

ging4444 01-20-2009 10:29 PM

I am so sorry about your sweet little Olive. My heart just breaks for you.

Lucia 01-20-2009 11:03 PM

I\'m so sorry for your loss:( My thoughts and prayers are with you. Rest in peace little Olive xxx xxx

Maxi 01-21-2009 01:50 AM

I am so sorry for your loss. :( My heart breaks for you. R.I.P. Olive

prettypuppypink 01-21-2009 02:30 AM

I\'m so sorry for your loss.
Jessica

mk97 01-21-2009 10:40 AM

I am so sorry for your loss. Don\'t beat yourself up with the what-ifs, you know if your vet had thought there was any risk at all-they wouldn\'t have recommended you do the procedure. Sometimes things just happen.


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