Not sure how to title this...

[pepe mint]

i appreciate your honesty.

I want to say that I was not trying to copy anyone. I didn't like tying the blankets the way I was tying the, I was afraid they would come apart easily. So I set out to find a new knot, saw several on yt and other places, and contacted someone that made them asking if they could help me learn to make a better knot. that person was kimmie and she didn't appreciate it. now...rather than telling me that upfront so that I could have had my eyes opened to the "unfairness" of using the same knot, I went and learned it on my own. now...I was not trying to copy anyone, I was trying to find a better knot. and if i find one that I like better than these, I will use that one instead. I do not want to be like others...which is why I am offering the monograming/embroidering. I am trying to find something different to sell here. I would love for people to see my blankets...or whatever else I might sell..and say "hey...did you get that from Mandee?"

had I not contacted kimmie asking for help, I could have googled "no sew blanket instructions" and came up with that same knot. I am not trying to copy one specific persons design...I was looking for blankets that I thought would hold up better than mine...and I went with it. I did not buy one of her blankets and copy it. I could have achieved the same exact thing by going to my church where they are making these blankets to send to foreign countries and asking them how to make them. would that have been wrong???

I appreciate your honesty and understand where you were coming from. but i don't see how i am trying to copy anyone...i am just trying to make a well made blanket.

[CollegeCutieUSF]

Well said Amber! I agree with you 100%. It's a big pain in the @** when people copy your things. It was flattery when we were children, but when you're an adult selling a product that you've took your time in creating, it's called taking someone elses idea. It's different if you improve on that idea, but if you just use it, well then that really says a lot about a person like that. I had more or less the same thing happen to me as you Amber. When I first started making my blankets I made beds as well... then wouldn't you know it but not shortly after, another person started making the same thing.. different dimentions and using a different filling, but ultimately the same idea. I didn't mind though because the seller had improved hers and that in turn inspired me to improve upon my own product.

I agree, this should be closed because it gets dirty. We're mostly women here and we all have tempers and opinion and we're not afraid to use them... and that just can't be good. lol

[JiggityJig]

I would agree if it was a complete copy of a dress, or even a bed....things that there are endless variations possible for. There are some vendors (like chloeandj, for instance) who have a VERY distinct look that they offer, and they work very hard every season at finding new material and creating new styles. It would totally suck, and be WRONG, if someone just copied their fabrics and patterns.

But come on, can we be realistic?! The fleece blankets, while fun, and wonderful, and perfect for our puppies....are a VERY basic and generic pattern! They're EVERYWHERE. And fleece is only available in a (relatively) limited variety of prints.

I don't know either poster, and have never bought from either. But the issue seems rather ridiculous.

[DENISE517]

Sorry someone was upset with you. Its everyones right to sell what they want to. I'm sure you didnt mean anything by it. We have a ton of vendors who sell the same type of stuff on here. That's like being McDonalds and being mad at Burger King for selling fries. lol

I guess what I'm trying to say, no one on here should have given you a hard time and I'm sorry they did.

Those overhand knots are no surprise. I know we do them when we make ours at home. You didnt steal no ones idea.

Come on guys.....being a vendor you have to realize that something you make or sell might be sold by another vendor too. That's how we get competive pricing.

Good Luck!

[Shadow]

I agree..I searched and found many articles on no sew fleece and alot were tied like that,it isn't like Kimmie came up with this not,I'm sorry petty if you ask me!
I wonder if this lady is upset and others as well,of no wait the lady at walmart told her how to tie the knot.
Check for yourself.
http://anewchelseamorning.blogspot.c...n-do-this.html

Originally Posted by Mybabyboymax

You are right in that sense, If its ur unique design that is wrong sorry that happen to you :-(...but she is talking about a knot that you find everywhere. it was not the other persons creation.

[Shadow]

Not trying to start anything here,but I just went and looked at your harnesses ansd was wondering how they differ from alot of other ones.I see those everywhere.

Originally Posted by Amber_lv

First off I wanted to say that I don’t want to upset anyone by posting this and I know this is long but please read the entire post before judging me. This is very hard for me to post and anyone who know me knows I am a good person and I try to be fair and I always try to be nice and resolve conflict. This is not only directed at this thread but a few others that have come up over the months. I have held my tongue on several occasions and I feel I must say something now. I sincerely hope that this does not offend anyone and I hope you can understand that I am speaking from personal experience. I feel awful for both parties involved . This is such a touchy subject but I feel that someone needs to bring it to light. I understand that there will be competition everywhere including here but I feel that there is a fine line between friendly competition and total lack of respect. Why is it that someone would want to improve their product to look just like someone else’s? I do not understand this reasoning at all? When I make my stuff I make sure that it is different and unique because why flood YT with the same product? I have had my harness design copied by 2 people and yes they sell them and yes they are making a profit off of my hard work ! Do I think that is friendly competion NO!!! Why because they did not put in the effort to come up with their own design they took it from me. Is that what you all think is ok to do? Why should I work hard to bring original stuff and have someone think it is ok to copy it and not just the idea but actually the exact design? Well people speak of K-mart and Wal-Mart competing well they buy the same shirt from one person it’s not 3 venders making the exact same shirt to sell only one so there is a difference they compete only in pricing. The thing is some of us only sell here on YT and it is hurtful when this happens. I think when you set out to copy someone else’s work instead of taking the time to IMPROVE your product on your own like the rest of us have is wrong IMO. I would never go to the store and pick up and outfit and pick it apart to make it for me to sell anywhere? Why? Because someone else took the time to come up with the design and if I am that lazy I shouldn’t be making clothes!!!! Bash me all you want but I feel Kimmie had every right to defend herself most of you knew who Mandee was referring to and she had every right to post her pm because it proves a point that she contacted her with the intent to make the exact type of blanket Kimmie was making. I have no problem with you Mandee but I feel if it was me this happened to I would feel the same way Kimmie does right now! Do I get upset when someone has the same fabric as me NO because that will happen and there is nothing anyone can do about it, Do I get upset that other people sell products similar to mine No because that will happen. But I do get up set when someone contacts me asking how I make my product and then copies it to sell here in the same place I do. I respect all the venders here and I try very hard to be different and yes there are only so many ways to make a blanket and tie a knot but why make your blanket look just like someone else’s? I really hope you all can understand why I am posting this and this is not a bash at anyone I just wanted to express my personal feelings on the matter. I never posted about my situation because I was afraid that people would judge me and think bad of me and I love YT way to much to let that happen but I feel that over the year this problem has gotten worse and I feel that some have gotten to much support about it. If I came on here selling a puppy that I took from someone else I would get bashed and embarrassed by everyone here! If I went to a company and took their designs and started selling them I would be punished for it why is this any different? If this was another member who was more established would some of you feel the same way? Again I apologize if this has offended anyone that was not my intent and know that I love and cherish YT more than you will ever know. Without YT I wouldn’t have got through some of the hardest times this year please understand that I am not posting this to hurt anyone nor am I taking sides it’s just My Personal Opinion.

I feel that this thread should be closed it is not helping YT and it is not helping these 2 fix the situation.

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by Shadow

Not trying to start anything here,but I just went and looked at your harnesses ansd was wondering how they differ from alot of other ones.I see those everywhere.

No prob! I will pm you and tell you!

[DENISE517]

after reading through all of this....i agree that you should still sell them, but i don't think you should have ask her how to make them unless you were being upfront with her that you were asking so you could sell them too.

just my opinion. I like you both!

[pepe mint]

Originally Posted by DENISE517

after reading through all of this....i agree that you should still sell them, but i don't think you should have ask her how to make them unless you were being upfront with her that you were asking so you could sell them too.

just my opinion. I like you both!

i can respect that. i believe that i did mention that i was trying to find a way to make better knots...i will have to go back and look at what i actually sent to her. but I don't think i was secretive with my intentions. and she never responded to it, so i found out on my own what was the best way to do it.

like i said before, i was not trying to step on her toes. i didn't realize that was the case until just the other day.

[Bizzymammabee]

She didn't really ask her how to make them just how to tie the knot she was tying. Let's be realistic here and state the obvious someone has to learn from someone.

I think you guys should just let it go. Keep making your blankets because it brings you enjoyment and a bit of a profit.

I have purchased harnesses from Connie since I found this site. I asked her how to cut the harnesses for Lulu because I wanted to try my hand at designing some cute ones for her myself when I had some downtime. Connie rocked because she never saw it as me trying to be underhanded. With a special order dress that I asked for she not only cut a pattern for me to use specific to my baby, she sent me how to instructions and ten D-Rings.

I think that there is enough room for everyone to play with these things and not really step on anyone's toes. I feel bad that one or more parties seem to feel slighted and I sincerely hope that you all can let bygones be bygones and just move on and enjoy your craft. I also didn't see anything wrong with her pming a few people that she might have conversed with and gotten to know and telling them that she was starting out this venture and if they were interested they could go to her site and check out her wares.

Anyhow I wish you all the best and hope that you guys can squash the problem and just enjoy your crafting.

[Kathryn_V]

How do you tie your shoes???

Bunny ears? Or one loop, over, under and pull?

TWO KNOTS.... SAME BASIC RESULT!

Its a tie blanket guys! Its not rocket science! (No offence) I make them too.

But if anyone really thinks that they have exclusive rights to certian patterns, woah! Unless you want to design and license you own prints??? Well, good luck... for now you'll just have to share with the Billions of other shoppers who buy Fabrics at Joanns, Hancocks, and Wallmarts all over the country. Sorry.

I don't mean to be curt, but seriously? ....Seriously. You are not in the wrong in any way!

I asked a blanket maker if they would give me measurements and tell me how to make tie blankets... I needed everything! How much fabric to buy, how to cut it, how big to cut the strips! The whole deal! She all but came to my home and made them for me! In this business getting catty with other vendors is not a good idea... Make friends, you never know when you'll need them. Other vendors and I help eachother out all the time! Its awesome! We work together! We all can use more friends, personally I'll never have enough of them!!!

[mistyinca]

Originally Posted by Kathryn_V

How do you tie your shoes???

Bunny ears? Or one loop, over, under and pull?

TWO KNOTS.... SAME BASIC RESULT!

Its a tie blanket guys! Its not rocket science! (No offence) I make them too.

But if anyone really thinks that they have exclusive rights to certian patterns, woah! Unless you want to design and license you own prints??? Well, good luck... for now you'll just have to share with the Billions of other shoppers who buy Fabrics at Joanns, Hancocks, and Wallmarts all over the country. Sorry.

I don't mean to be curt, but seriously? ....Seriously. You are not in the wrong in any way!

I asked a blanket maker if they would give me measurements and tell me how to make tie blankets... I needed everything! How much fabric to buy, how to cut it, how big to cut the strips! The whole deal! She all but came to my home and made them for me! In this business getting catty with other vendors is not a good idea... Make friends, you never know when you'll need them. Other vendors and I help eachother out all the time! Its awesome! We work together! We all can use more friends, personally I'll never have enough of them!!!

[Amber_lv]

Originally Posted by Kathryn_V

How do you tie your shoes???

Bunny ears? Or one loop, over, under and pull?

TWO KNOTS.... SAME BASIC RESULT!

Its a tie blanket guys! Its not rocket science! (No offence) I make them too.

But if anyone really thinks that they have exclusive rights to certian patterns, woah! Unless you want to design and license you own prints??? Well, good luck... for now you'll just have to share with the Billions of other shoppers who buy Fabrics at Joanns, Hancocks, and Wallmarts all over the country. Sorry.

I don't mean to be curt, but seriously? ....Seriously. You are not in the wrong in any way!

I asked a blanket maker if they would give me measurements and tell me how to make tie blankets... I needed everything! How much fabric to buy, how to cut it, how big to cut the strips! The whole deal! She all but came to my home and made them for me! In this business getting catty with other vendors is not a good idea... Make friends, you never know when you'll need them. Other vendors and I help eachother out all the time! Its awesome! We work together! We all can use more friends, personally I'll never have enough of them!!!

I agree 100% you can't get upset if someone has the same fabric! It is way to hard to pass up some of the super cute stuff and there will always be someone else who has the same fabric as you! Yes we all need to get along because we are all so close here and we need to treat eachother with respect and be the loving family i know we can be lol.

[browniesmom622]

Originally Posted by Kathryn_V

How do you tie your shoes???

Bunny ears? Or one loop, over, under and pull?

TWO KNOTS.... SAME BASIC RESULT!

Its a tie blanket guys! Its not rocket science! (No offence) I make them too.

But if anyone really thinks that they have exclusive rights to certian patterns, woah! Unless you want to design and license you own prints??? Well, good luck... for now you'll just have to share with the Billions of other shoppers who buy Fabrics at Joanns, Hancocks, and Wallmarts all over the country. Sorry.

I don't mean to be curt, but seriously? ....Seriously. You are not in the wrong in any way!

I asked a blanket maker if they would give me measurements and tell me how to make tie blankets... I needed everything! How much fabric to buy, how to cut it, how big to cut the strips! The whole deal! She all but came to my home and made them for me! In this business getting catty with other vendors is not a good idea... Make friends, you never know when you'll need them. Other vendors and I help eachother out all the time! Its awesome! We work together! We all can use more friends, personally I'll never have enough of them!!!

another good Post

[Janie616]

Originally Posted by CollegeCutieUSF

Also, I don't agree with making any of this public at all. Honestly it seems like more of a way to get people to feel bad and buy your blankets. I mean if you go bakc and look at people's responses, half of them say that they are going to check out her site right now and buy a blanket. Honestly, the matter should have been taken care of privately and if it couldn't be settled between them, they should have contacted admin to try and figure something out.

I do not understand why Mz_s3ski_Kitt3n is complaining about this ... she constantly is PMing me telling me to go to her website when I have asked her not to PM me. And Pepe Mint did NOT make the other vendor's name public, she came forward on her own.
I am not comfortable with her expressions of "Hon", "babez" and such ...
This is the message that was sent:
***************
stop by and check out my new thread & show your support babez !!
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=93263
<3 Kimmie

I have asked her to stop sending me such things via PMs ...

So if Pepe Mint asked her about the knot and obviously Mz_s3ski_Kitt3n did not respond and Pepe Mint went to a different website or store for advice ... where is the problem? As previously said, competition is healthy.
I do not think Pepe Mint posted this to get orders .... And we all still have FREE CHOICE!!