so called rescurers
 

okay
i volunteer with a dog rescue group, and we get these ignorant calls every day " hello i rescured this poor dog that was starved, beaten, wandering the street, almost got hit by a car brought it home and i can not keep it if your groups doesnt get this dog im putting it out! im leaving the gate open, im dropping it off in the country, etc...
or " i rescued this dog and paid for all it vets bill and i will keep the dog only if your group reimburses me for the medical i spent."
why would YOU take it upon your self the rescue a dog that you arent going to take responsibilty for, or that you cant afford to take care of?
i completely understand how bad you feel when you see a torment pup but if you cant/wont do any better by it why do anything. i hate to see an animal suffer, but if i cant help it and i rescued it im going to take responsiblty for it, once i took home, in my mind thats my dog now. if you see a dog that needs help and you cant be the helper CALL someone who can help, notify so one who can help. im not saying ignore the problem, but do something that will truly help the animal.

okay im done venting...i think

Tammy - you are so right and it does get frustrating sometimes being in rescue. The other one that drives me crazy is "how cheap are your dogs, I am looking to get a great dog without any problems and not pay any $$$ dog". It breaks my heart that people do not understand these poor little critters have already gone through so much and now they are just considered a cheap way to get a dog.:(

You gotta be careful too! How do you know these people actually paid the money for the dog? :(

we only charge $100.00 per dog, any dog and that includes spay/neuture microchipping, and all vaccines and people think that its too much money. i couldnt believe it. i can see a couple of hundred dollars. but i did see one beautiful yorkie girl on petfinders for $1000.00 perfect medical condition and young. i think thats too much but other than that most places are reasonable and the prices are based on what the organization can live on. and personally i think we should charge mor, it would weed out the bad people.
we have an application process that take 3 - 7 days, references, interviews, home visits, then the fee and then the pup is placed if they pass all requirements.
we have soo many dogs right now that we are boarding them and we have 60 dogs in a boarding facility thats not including the foster homes. we have to turn everyone awar right now that wants to surrender.

do you know i had a lady who called, her son had adopted a large breed puppy, crated all day, it wasnt socialized, no training and therefore it didnt listen and it barked too much they say (my conclusion after talking with them the dog only barked to alert them ) anyways the guy gave that dog to his mom and ADOPTED ANOTHER ONE!!!!! i told her flat out that was the most ridculous thing i had ever heard, and that he should be ashamed of his self

I agree! I saw the one on petfinder too for $1000, sorry, but that's ridiculous.

I am confused here. As a rescue person I do not buy the dogs from the people giving them up but what I do is get them in top medical condition to adopt them out again. In most cases this is a spay/neuter, shots and a dental. In some cases we have meds and or surgery that has to be performed. I do all this with my own $$$. Our rescue tries to at least break even with dog adoption and the medical bills. Some dogs cost us very little and some cost us way to much..we average our bills out and have a set fee of $350.00. We could not continue with rescue if we did not strive for a break even point.

If you look at any large reputable rescue they are a non-profit organization - their goal is to break even also. If you also look at their web pages you will see they have some dogs with very expensive medical bills.

Trying to be sensitive here, when a person buys a dog from a bad situation it is not the same as a rescue situation...even though both groups are helping a little one..the "rescue" turns around and adopts the dog out.

oh i agree that you have to make a profit. no we do not pay people to surrender dogs. we have a $100.00 adoption fee for every dog. when we were taking dogs in that we could board we did ask for a donation of $250.00 to pay a months worth of boarding up front. but we cant do that now because all the space is full

i understand also the medical bills, i think that the rescue should deff. get something back when the pup is adopted. my comment on the $10000.00 female is that if you are gonna spend that kind of money, i personally would have gone to a breeder with papers and possibly breeder rights. this darling puppy would not come with any of that. and since she is healthy and has been healthy i dont think she should be triple the price as the other rescue pups that have medical problems

either way they all need/deserve wonderful homes and i hope all of them get it! no matter what the cost is!!

i love the rescue work, i wish i had the money to do my own yorkie rescue, i would have to wait till my son got a little older.

This is a wonderful rescue group too. i did volunteered here when i was a teenager for a few years my mom had been on the board of directors their for a really long time 12 years i think. i hadnt done anything in years, but when Magnum got really sick and needed steroids to try and make him better. AARF (the rescue group) offered to pay for everything up front, and let me pay the back. Fortunately it wasnt very costly. So from there oi decided to always be there for them.

MISS YOU MAGS!!!!!!! i will never ever forget you!! your were/ are my best friend!!!! LUV YOU

NO - I never said Profit...I said break even...same amount of $$$ that is going out is coming in...I certainly do not want people to think rescue is in the business of profit or making money - just helping animals like you do. :)

im so sorry i didnt mean profit!!!....the application fees cover the cost for food, meds, vaccines, etcc... im so sorry didnt mean to confuse anyone

It's okay - but just wanted to keep the record straight..sometimes even rescue gets a bad shake from people who don't understand everything and what is involved.

You go girl and keep up the good work:thumbup:

Yeah, I can totally understand. But, this dog that I'm speaking about did not have any medical problems. She was just a beautiful young "tiny" that was a surrender. I'm gonna see if I can find her for you and you tell me what you think. You're the rescue expert, and if you say it's legit, then I will believe you! ;)

Here she is. Beautiful, too!

http://search.petfinder.com/petnote/...?petid=6447085

SIGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ..What's ."Breaking Even"?????

My rescue is in the hole by thousands each year:(
Every year I say "that's it" and every year I keep it going:p


I to agree that people have NO CLUE most the time when they want to adopt a rescue. Most call me thinking I should give them the dog free:confused:
WE charge VERY little for most the little ones here. I actually have a sliding scale based on circumstances. We have alot of retired people around here so the seniors I hardly charge at all. We just adopted out a full bred yorkie puppy in tip top shape for $100 to a WONDERFUL home:thumbup:

$100 adoption fee. Now THAT'S what I'm talk'n bout! ;) :D

She is beautiful. Someone will be very happy to get her for $1000 and that money will help some of the not so beautiful ones that deserve it just as much. :thumbup:

I thought that money went to the fostermom, not the rescue place? Ok, now I'm confused. :confused:

thats true the money she brings in will go to help the ones with medical problems.

and no i far as i know the money goes to the organization not the foster parent.

Okay, so let me get this straight...:p The foster mom pays for all the expenses. She gets reimbursed for expenses from the adoption fee and gives the rest to rescue? Or does she not get reimbursed for expenses and all the money goes toward other rescues? :confused: Thanks!

Most rescues who use foster people , pay for the food and medical care the dog needs . When the dog is adopted the money would go to the rescue.
The foster person would never really have expenses except there time and energy which is THEIR donation to the rescue.
I guess every rescue is different , but that's how alot of them work:)

i know with our group, the organization pays for everything, the foster parent are just the home, and loving family. if the ywant to pay fro things thats fine, but the organization covers all cost. and the adoption fee goes to the organization

I am so thrilled to see 2 more people involved with rescue - this is fabulous!:)

A couple of things, each rescue is different and your questions are good in terms of being a foster for a rescue organization. In our organization the fosters donate food, vitamins, grooming time and trips to the vet and also to meet potential new parents. The rescue pays for all medical and medicine issues, spay/neuter, teeth cleaning, micro-chips and a new lupine harness (our average cost was $350 per dog). Some rescues can not afford doing all the medical things we do so their adoption costs are smaller. We are small so our foster parents have to use our vet and our vet bills us for all the costs and we give the vet approval for these costs. I know in large national rescues people are reimbursed, up to a certain amount the medical bills (also have to have pre-approval) but usually pay for the food, etc. In city wide rescues, some rescues even give food to the foster parents but this is usually food that has been donated to the rescue organization. In some of the large organizations if the dog is so ill with LS (an example) the dog is turned over to national people who work with specific vets for this major surgery. Each organization is different in terms of home visits and who usually preforms these and some organizations reimburse people for mileage (we were to small to do this) but people could track this and use this on their income tax. Usually foster parents are just a safe haven for these little ones and do not have contact with the adopting parent unless one of the officers of the organization would like them to be there. All communication, approvals, home visits, etc are done with people in the rescue organization. Hopefully you see that there really are two levels in rescue (rescue organization & foster families) and in some cases these people are both.

Now on to your comment about the $1000 rescue. Again each rescue is different but I see nothing wrong with this as this is a national rescue (Yorkshire Terrier Club of America National Rescue) and I can guarantee you that more $$$ flows out than in and when you get a dog that is as special as this one it is a way to recoup some of the expenses for the older, sick, injured dogs that are already passed through rescue or will be coming in with very expensive medical bills. If you go to the website you will see many, many older dogs, injuried dogs that only cost $150 to adopt) Just because an animal comes into rescue does not mean they are of lesser value and in this case if someone would be buying from a breeder they would be paying more than $1000 for this dog. In this individual situation everyone including future rescues win because the rescue will have more cash flow, the adoptive parents paid less for a high quality dog and the dog goes to a wonderful family. I also know breeders have donated top quality dogs to help rescue raise $$$. To also understand why some rescues have different costs associated with each dog you would have to see their books to understand the cash flow in and the cash flow out. It is not based on each individual dog but the non profit (501c3)organization trying to operate within legal tax laws. Many breed specific organizations also help with education to the public (takes time and money) fund raising for medical studies (liver shunt) to name just a few along with maintaining websites and putting on events for fundraising - all these things cost $$$.

Rescue organizations are also different than city/state animal control organizations (they receive $$ through taxes). You also have ASPCA, Humane Societies, Best Friends to name a few which are private organizations (501c3 status) which also help with National Disasters.

Again, let me say this...Rescue is not a means of getting a cheaper dog but to help some animal have a second chance and not be euthanized. If you look at it as just a cheaper dog than you are not seeing the bigger picture of saving an animals life and keeping a cash flow going into the rescue organizations because if they don't have enough cash for the next dog then they will have to close down and more animals will be euthanized. It is the same as if you were a parent and one of you worked and brought home the paycheck. Some of your children just need food and yearly exams but some of your children might have very high medical bills or needs and you spend your paycheck based on needs. You don't say each child gets a set amount.

Not all rescues are the same and how they operate based on their policies and their requirements. Some rescues can only afford to pull the dogs out of the pounds (saving them from euthanization) and adopting them out after their spay/neuter. Others can afford to pay for more things done upfront but either way the new parent will be paying for these things if they want a healthy animal.

One flag everyone should watch for is if a rescue does not spay/neuter the animal than run in the other direction. There is not a reputable rescue that I know that would let an animal out to breed. Rescue's know we have to many animals now dying in the pounds and they would not be adding to the overpopulation.

I can only say this...if you started adding up the cost of each individual dog that comes through rescue it would far out weigh the money that is donated to all the organizations.

Tammy going back to you original post I understand where you are coming from but on the other hand I do disagree to a point. We had a stray dog come into our yard. We fed it for roughly two weeks before turning it into a shelter. I felt guilty taking her in but we could not afford any more dogs, and I don’t think it was truly my responsibility to care for it. I feel that it is my responsibility to get it to a safe place where it may find a great home. We fed it for the two weeks because that’s how long it took the dog to be comfortable enough to come close to us. My husband asked everyone he knew for those two weeks to see if anyone wanted a dog and needless to say we didn’t find anyone.

First I don’t call myself a rescuer and didn’t go in and say if you don’t take this dog I’m dropping it off in the woods. It is, in my opinion, my responsibility to do what I can for the dog and taking it to someone else is all I could do at that point. If for no other reason, its just plain rude to call up someone and say take this dog or else….So like I said I understand that part of your post but as far as taking the dog home it becomes mine I don’t. At least people have gone that far. I mean if I see a cat on the side of the road and I take it in to a shelter at least it isn’t free to run and produce more cats.

I’m not trying to stir up anything or offend you. Really I have great respect for anyone who is doing something to help others, especially those trying to help animals. I want to thank you for helping the way you do, I can honestly say that I could and should do more….

Wow, what a great post! :thumbup: Now I understand a little better. When I see adoption fees, I was under the impression that the foster parent kept that money for all the vet fees, food, etc. That's why I thought $1000 for a healthy pup was outrageous. I don't know why I thought that. :confused:

Oh, another question for you...my aunt had rescued a yorkie (we believe it was a mix). He turned out to be vicious...according to the vet. He bit her several times, my cousin once, and the vet once! When the vet saw how Bailey was reacting he said that he's seen many dogs, and this is a vicious, nasty little dog. The vet said that sometimes these rescues just care about the dog, and not so much about the person adopting because this particular dog should not have been adopted out. Especially without the person knowing that the dog had issues. Now, those were the vet's words, not mine. How do you feel about that? Thanks! ;)

Honey,
first off you did not offend me.
my post was about the people who really dont care, who really dont try. for the people who think they can get out attention by saying they will do this or that, to get us scared into taking the dog. This was not about the people who really tried and put time and effort in to doing the right thing. i totally understand the person who has enough pets and really cant afford another. or doesnt have the space, and i applaude them for trying and doing the right thing by finding someone who can. i was really just talking about the one who dont care what happens.
im sure when that dog came into your yard, you didnt call an organziation and state that if they did get the dog, you were dropping out in the country, or having it put down.
i hope i have cleared things up

How sad but unfortunately many of these little ones come in with high fear aggression and are biters. I have been bit more times with a Yorkie (down to the bone) than any other dog. It is why I have 4 biters that I had to adopt because we could never adopt them out to people or the rescue could be sued. It was a choice either I keep them or have them put down. A reputable rescue would NEVER knowingly adopt a vicious dog out unless the people adopting him are fully aware of the situation but even with all the waivers signed the rescue is still responsible. It is one of the difficult decisions a rescue has to make and most will put a biter down. It does no good for a reputable rescue to not try and make a perfect fit for the dog and the person adopting him or the rescue could come back. It sounds as if your aunts rescue did not take the time to qualify your aunt and the dog correctly or they just wanted to move the dog along without making a very difficult decision. It is sad they did this. Just remember a rescue is only as good as the people in the rescue are.

Now having said all of this many rescue's do come in with extra baggage because they were abused and someone adopting a rescue should be aware of this possibility. My 4 always go to the vets with a muzzle on and I muzzle them when I am grooming them. The 4 are good the rest of the time but when they get frightened they react the only way they know. I always make sure when people come over to make sure they stay away from the 4 or I put them in another room.

What has happened to your aunt's dog? Did she give it back to rescue? Or did she have to make a very difficult decision that the rescue should have made?

She actually decided to give him back, and they took him back no questions. She is handicapped and needed a docile dog that would plop on her lap. He kept to himself, and as I said, bit her a few times. But you wanna know the funny thing...(before I knew he even bit) he let me bathe him! I brushed him, cut the dirt from his hair, and blow dried him. He was fine with me! Maybe he sensed the "extra love for Yorkie" on me! LOL :D

This part of livingdust mops post bother's me....

"Now on to your comment about the $1000 rescue. Again each rescue is different but I see nothing wrong with this as this is a national rescue (Yorkshire Terrier Club of America National Rescue) and I can guarantee you that more $$$ flows out than in and when you get a dog that is as special as this one it is a way to recoup some of the expenses for the older, sick, injured dogs that are already passed through rescue or will be coming in with very expensive medical bills."

I guess my rescue is $hit then because it's not a NATIONAL rescue!!!:(

I'm sorry but i found it highly offensive to say a national rescue should get more money for adoptions. Actually I believe the opposite. I get NO government help or help from big companies ,like rescues like you mentioned. Darn if I don't pay the vets bills and care bills and EVERYTHING bills just like they do!!!!!!!! So I suck up lots of losses from my own personal pockets because I charge minimal prices because I don't believe only people with money can love or care for dogs.
I also have never had a vacation the whole time I have been married(years and years), buy most my things at yardsales and have rarely bought myself or family anything unless on SALE. I pinch ,I squeeze and I beg. And yet i still keep the rescue year after year because I believe in it!!!!!!

So I'm sorry but I wholeheartedly disagree that National is Better and more reputable just because it's National. SIGHHHHHHHH I wonder how many of them working there will give away their vacations to feed the stray dogs or get a broken paw casted... not many I bet:mad: (just wanted to say I'm sure SOME would though)

Whoa - that is not what I am saying what so ever nor do I think I said that.:eek: The rescue I have been involved with also is local and the $$$ I use is out of my pocketbook unless we raised funds through local business's or friends of Yorkies and yes I give up my vacations also. If you will go to their website they have many dogs for adoption at all different amounts based on each dog (anywhere from $150 to $1000 in this unusal situation) but at the end of the year it is not based on individual dogs but based on how much $$$ was spent and how much was raised and ideally they breakeven at the end of the year. As the rescue organization (YTNR) for the YTCA this organization could be (as I don't know)getting a puppy/young dog donated by a breeder to rescue (adopt out) to find a good home instead of selling the puppies themselves and keeping the profits. YTNR does not get government support or Corporation support as they are a 501c3 organization and everything they do is a volunteer basis the same as you and I. I know many members on YTNR who dedicate their lives to saving as many Yorkies as they can and spend (donate) a great deal of their own $$$ to do this and they help with fundraising. Many of the national (meaning across the whole US) will get many of the calls before local rescues will, to surrender their Yorkies so more ill and sick Yorkies will/may go through their programs. I can tell you that YTNR and UYR all started out as grassroots efforts (same as you and I) and through a great deal of hard work over the years have established their rescue programs and organizations that will support them. They have done the fundraising themselves to get to this point. We cannot fault National programs that have been established for years and who have all started out like you and I. Now, does this make them any more reputable than you and I - NO. When I refer to a reputable rescue I mean how each rescue handles their dogs - the bare minimum in my book is to spay/neuter each animal that comes through. There have been rescues that will take in (rescue) an intact animal and then start breeding it. I do not agree with this philosophy.

Each rescue has to determine what their policies are and what they will charge for their adoptions and if you believe that everyone should be able to adopt an animal then great and that is your philosophy. My philosophy is to try and breakeven so I don't go to the poor house and then have to stop rescuing because I simply can't afford it and then more dogs will die. It doesn't mean my way is the right way only what my friend and I agreed to do so we could continue with rescue.

I understand all you are saying but saw red when you said $1000 is Ok since they are a national rescue:rolleyes:

Ummmm - that is not where the period ended but I understand your point. Just so everyone understands YTNR was started by YTCA as the YTCA breeders felt a responsibility to help all Yorkshire Terriers. YTCA has helped with many of the major fundraising events over the years and we need to commend this club and organization for the many Yorkies they have helped over the many years they have been an organization. Not only have they helped individual Yorkies but also helped raise fund towards grants for Liver Shunt, Collasped Trachia to name a few that possibly inflict all Yorkies.

We should applaud all reputable rescues and work together to help save many of these special little dogs and to help raise funds for further research on the disease that harm Yorkies.