Smiling here - I feel the same, Linda. Your post #91 asked if I was sure, apparently that the virus was wimpy off its host and usually begins to die within 30 minutes. From there on, my echoing several medical experts' use of the wimpy describing the nature of the virus out in the environment seemed to disagree with your sensibilities and elicit several responses that misquoted, in an almost nitpicking way(now that IS my original thought - be it right or wrong), called my or medical experts' use of the term wimpy on its environmental survival into question or implied I was insinuating something. I tend to sit up and take notice during posts like that, just like you and we all do, when sort of repeatedly pricked!

One more time, my thoughts or opinions, just as yours or any YT member's, cannot be original to any of us on Ebola-virus cellular properties, but based on things we've individually learned second-hand, be they right or wrong. None of us has first-hand knowledge about this virus and so, no original opinions on the virus' behavior or durability at any stage of its life-cycle can possibly be attributed to us as original in concept.

There - I'm done, too.

Shall we shake hands and walk away? Here's mine. :thumbup:

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Awful! Spain announced it has killed the little dog of the Spanish assistant nurse, though everyone said it was not symptomatic!!! R.I.P, Excalibur!

I just didn't think this was a debate :confused: Aren't we all on the same page? Ebola=No good

Now they are monitoring another person that "came into contact" with the depatients apartment.....seems he went there to serve some kind of papers, entered the apartment without protective clothing at all, gave the papers he had to one of the family, and then left. He was going on the "presumption" by all these experts, that he was safe as long as he didnt touch anyone or anything, which he has said he did NOT.....boy, I bet that JUDGE and those other 4 people that went confidently trecking into that apartment, totally with no protection on, because they too had been "assured" they would be safe as long as they did not get into anything "contaminated by the patient", are now sweating little green apples, while they wait to see if this newest patient is indeed diagnosed with the disease! Smart aleck over confidence, while trying to squelch any fear about this virus in the general public, is really NOT the way to go here!

Not just one but 2 others that were all in that apartment according to the Police Union. They were interviewing him on CNN and the anchor asked about the Dallas County Sheriff office and he told her there are two others! They were all inside the apartment. He went to an Urgent Care (WTH?) not feeling well and they pretty much shut the place down. Ugh.....

My brother is a pilot...he was flying into DFW a day ago and an American pilot contacted the tower and told them they needed to have medical at the gate to meet them, they had a person on the flight that had been vomiting for almost 2 hours. Can you imagine what all those passengers were thinking on that flight? Now, another question I have for them....how come it takes 48 hours and the blood sent off to a special lab for testing to see if the patient has the virus IN SOME CASES, and in other cases, they draw blood and the "results" are determined within 10-15 minutes? That patient that came off the plaine was tested and the rest of the passengers were released within 30 minutes of landing....the vomiting lady was apparently suffering from a migraine headache. I just dont know.......

Maybe it depends on how long the patient has been symptomatic. I've heard that giving the Ebola test too early when the patient is newly sick and the viral load is still low won't always reveal it but that waiting up to 48 hours can find a higher amount of virus if it's there.

Dallas Sheriff's office Twitter account is saying CNN's story is not true about two other deputies, saying that one deputy's risk for flu high, for ebola low & he's being tested for flu by the hospital. Deputy's son said on local TV his dad woke up sore and with tummy ache, no headache, fever, N&V.

Now Jesse Jackson is involved ugh. Yes he should have been admitted when he first went to the hospital and the ball was dropped on that but I highly doubt they treated him any differently then they would have anyone else. Honestly he is lucky he didn't get sent back to his country. Why does something bigger ALWAYS have to be made out of something. He died from an illnesses over 3,000 have died from just being over here didn't automatically make it where we could keep him alive. Yes I feel very bad for him and his family but this whole we did something wrong and could have kept him alive thing ticks me off.

The implication is now that he was "neglected and not treated fairly, not treated like the other Americans, did not receive the vaccine/medicine the Americans did, and they want to know why." No one has told them there is NO more of the medication to give anyone....he did not receive the med because there is none available, and not because they just didnt want him to have any. And they did not give him that other med immediately because it has never been given/tested on humans....can you imagine if they would have risked giving him that drug immediately, and he would have died from it, they then would have been accused of genocide by this family. The GREAT news is, TEXAS A&M is brewing up gallons of the vaccine, waiting for all the red tape to be cut through and clearing the way for that initial vaccine to be given as needed. It had initially been said that the vaccine would not be made available until next year.....so this is great news.

Great news that the vaccine is being mass produced. I have serveral thoughts on the experimental drugs and working in pharmaceutical research I totally understand that there are parameters in which patients have to meet before recieving a treatment. Dallas patient 0 may not have met those parameters to recieve the drug at a given time point. There have been many balls dropped on the hospitals end, the governments and the patient as well.

I do think by having civil rights activists involved brings up a much bigger question that shouldn't be ignored. Think about it, so if 3000 people in a 3rd world country have died and we live in a global and traveling world its not impossible for it to make it to our borders and on American Soil. To be proactive would have been the better choice so we would be prepared here for such a scenario. Also why wouldn't we close our borders like other countries have, it must not have gotten to that point as of yet. Ebola got in front of us sometime around March of this year and the lives that its effecting are people with a darker skin tone but if it had been a European Country or America that the epidemic started with would we still say that 3000 people have died. I think not. There's a little racial component in there somewhere if we want to admit it or not. But that's not the point. The point is we have a health issue on our hands that can impact all of us and we have enough intelligent scientists and gurus to come up with some form of solution. Lives will be lost and arguments will be had. But we have to be aware, take the necessary precautions, pray to whatever higher entity you believe in and have compassion for others.

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Great post! :thumbup: Let me add, IMO all of the doctors and nurses that were working on Mr. Duncan must be devastated that he lost the battle with this horrible deadly virus. Unfortunately, there is still a HUGE learning curve in the treatment of Ebola.

Now this is the way to say it.....Excellent post, excellent excellent excellent....THANK YOU Rachelle!!


Regardless of stance/political/religious/etc....I don't always agree with Jesse Jackson or any other politician, person, relative...friend...but what I do admire is his tenacity and his advocacy, and I think his place in this instance was important and wish he had advocated for this gent sooner because his family and friends were not "really" able to. I don't necessarily even agree with everything he said concerning this because I wasn't there and I don't know all that went on. But his role here was/is important!


I also believe that because of the new procedures etc., that obviously mistakes were bound to happen, we all know that in an emergency all the preparedness in the world doesn't FULLY prepare us in the here and now moment, this is why drills in all settings are important. I do believe the initial mix up at the E.R. was certainly a vital delay in treatment/exposure etc....Complacency may not be the right term but when you work with as many people as medical personnel or even as I do daily, from all parts of the world, its easy to see how a miscommunication could have occurred. Its not an excuse but rather a human error reason.


I've seen this hysteria before when AIDS first was identified, SARS, SWINE FLU, MAD COW...ETC.ETC.... At this point all I know is that the man is dead, I don't believe this will be a mass epidemic and I do believe that it needs to be addressed quickly and right now so that not 1 single other person suffers, period. Until they perfect treatments and procedures I'm afraid there will be others. Keeping in mind that each of us are physiologically different and each of us hosts/battles diseases differently...its almost inevitable....just as with the common cold, the flu, cancer etc., etc., Optimistically, Ebola is much easier to eradicate right now then all of the diseases that cause so many of us to suffer because of each year.


RIP Mr. Duncan.

Opportunities missed and responsibility enough to go around to many people. I can't help but think that medical team did all they physically could to cure their patient. I heard a local reporter who talked to or personally knew one of the team - I can't remember which - who said they were all sad, dispirited and grieving over losing their patient. The hospital issued a statement today saying they consulted constantly with the Ebola experts at Emory University Hospital, where Brantly and Writebol were treated, as well as the CDC Ebola experts, for case-management guidance, gave the experimental medication the minute all the experts decided it should the time had come and get it delivered here, even though its safety in humans and effectiveness with Ebola is totally unknown. You know those Emory and CDC physicians they consulted with will be deposed in the malpractice suit discovery to verify that, though no doubt Presby's liability carrier will settle as early as possible.

Presby said Duncan didn't have a blood type that would allow him to get a transfusion from former-Ebola US patients able to donate blood, even though I think I heard on TV that Writebol, and I think Brantly also, offered. The other US former Ebola patient was sick himself so he was out as a donor.

I know his partner, Louise Troh, niece and 3 or 4 young kids and young men who were around him when he was contagious, are probably so scared and sad right now. Not only have they lost a family member, they've got to know, that even if they are 11 days out with no symptoms, the odds are not with them to avoid getting just as sick as he did as contagious as direct contact is during Duncan's contagion. Troh's niece(not sure which) has said her kids kept kissing and hugging him during the visit(s). I'll bet they regret having those kids around anyone directly from an epidemic-ridden land. Wonder why they didn't see the risk ahead of time?

Here we go again.....let's put blame on the people who were exposed. :( This was mentioned earlier in this thread.

This man was family to these people. Whether they were not aware or were in denial....who cares? It is what it is and we should all be praying for them that they will not contract this awful virus. I am not going to sit here and pass judgement on them as lovers, parents, family or whoever they were to Mr. Duncan.

I loved Rachel's post and her last line about being compassionate is really something people should think about.

My post below was in response to a post blaming them for exposing the children......
Maybe people think they wouldn't do something like that; but you know that saying about not judging until you have walked a mile.