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megansmomma 12-16-2010 02:21 PM
YT Vendors w/private profile pages
 
Why is it not a general rule that all vendors that want to sell to the YT community give access to the general population of YT? Or is it just me that these vendors are blocking? :confused:

Nancy1999 12-16-2010 02:51 PM
Actually, the vendors I've talked to didn't even know that their profile pages were blocked everyone except friends. If you find a vendor whose profile page is set to Private, and only friends can read, you might want to PM them about it. It actually looks like they have something to hide when they set their pages to private.

Here's the page where you adjust your settings, and I think all vendors and (everyone else too), should set their setting to "everyone".

QuickSilver 12-16-2010 02:55 PM
Why would it matter one way or the other?

Nancy1999 12-16-2010 03:01 PM
I forgot to put the link. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=privacy

To answer your question Quicksilver, newbies haven't learned how to PM people, and the vendors list gives the vendors website and their profile page. It's really easy for a newbie to leave a message on the profile page. I know it seems so easy to PM someone, but to a newbie it's all so confusing.

chattiesmom 12-16-2010 03:03 PM
Learn something new every day!
 
Wow I didn't know you could control who viewed your profile page. That is a really neat feature.

AprilLove 12-16-2010 03:08 PM
Unless their profile pages are used as an integral part of what they're selling/or their store (ie: showing their for sale items, etc), I don't think they should be required to make it public. It is a personal choice everyone should be able to make, that is why the option is there :)

megansmomma 12-16-2010 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AprilLove (Post 3358633)
Unless their profile pages are used as an integral part of what they're selling/or their store (ie: showing their for sale items, etc), I don't think they should be required to make it public. It is a personal choice everyone should be able to make, that is why the option is there :)
I disagree on the principle that they are selling a product and there should be no reason they should not allow someone to post a message to their page. What it says to me is that there must be something to hide from the general public if they do not want someone to be able to post a hello on their page. The other day I went to a vendors page to ask a quick question and it was blocked. So I went to look for someone else to make my purchase. It's just poor business practices IMO.

QuickSilver 12-16-2010 03:23 PM
Maybe it's a bad business decision, but I don't think it indicates anything sinister. Anyone can post a review of a vendor publicly, and we can all delete comments we don't like off our profile page anyway.

My guess is that most people don't know their page is private, but it doesn't seem like a big deal if they want it that way.

AprilLove 12-16-2010 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3358646)
I disagree on the principle that they are selling a product and there should be no reason they should not allow someone to post a message to their page. What it says to me is that there must be something to hide from the general public if they do not want someone to be able to post a hello on their page. The other day I went to a vendors page to ask a quick question and it was blocked. So I went to look for someone else to make my purchase. It's just poor business practices IMO.
I know they can control what parts of the profile page are private and which parts are not. I had pictures stolen from my page and that is why I choose to have friends only access to my page.
I disagree that it is poor business practices, UNLESS it is stated in the YT vendor rules that part of their business is required to be conducted on a personal profile page?

I think, (but not positive) that most vendors state their websites addys, and how to contact them. I wonder if this particular vendor says to send inquiries about their product on their page and not via pm, or website or email? Then perhaps they are in the wrong. But as a whole, I still believe it is not bad business practice to keep your page private. (because it is a PERSONAL profile, not business) JMO

bchgirl 12-16-2010 03:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AprilLove (Post 3358633)
Unless their profile pages are used as an integral part of what they're selling/or their store (ie: showing their for sale items, etc), I don't think they should be required to make it public. It is a personal choice everyone should be able to make, that is why the option is there :)
:thumbup:

Darlin Beauxs 12-16-2010 03:30 PM
I looked at my page and it is marked "everyone" all the way down. I get posts on my YT page from time to time, but I really prefer a PM, or even a Facebook message as a means of communication. Why? Because I receive a notification of the message in my personal e-mail as well.

I can't imagine why anyone would want to restrict access to a YT profile page :confused:

Darlin Beauxs 12-16-2010 03:31 PM
[QUOTE=AprilLove;3358652]I know they can control what parts of the profile page are private and which parts are not. I had pictures stolen from my page and that is why I choose to have friends only access to my page.
I disagree that it is poor business practices, UNLESS it is stated in the YT vendor rules that part of their business is required to be conducted on a personal profile page?

I should have read this post, this is a good reason to restrict access.

Nancy1999 12-16-2010 03:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AprilLove (Post 3358633)
Unless their profile pages are used as an integral part of what they're selling/or their store (ie: showing their for sale items, etc), I don't think they should be required to make it public. It is a personal choice everyone should be able to make, that is why the option is there :)
You're right, it's not required, but like I said, I get PM's from people who don't know how to contact vendors, and the vendor had no idea that their page was set to private. I would think a vendor would want to make it as easy as possible, and after all, many vendors offer a discount if you contact them. I was on one vendors page where you could not see the words "contact info" at all, so this even makes it harder for people to PM them.

megansmomma 12-16-2010 03:42 PM
It just seems that I'm not a vendor and I have always been pretty much an open book. I don't have my page closed to anyone, never refused a friend request and have handed out my phone number to members that need help. So when I see someone that is selling something to the general population they should be more welcoming to a visit on their profile page from all members of the community. It just seems unwelcoming to me. If you were to go to the mall and a store had all the doors locked and the shades drawn tight wouldn't you just move on to the next one?

What could you possibly post on a Yorkie forum that is so top secret that you can't have someone look at? I like to decorate my page and enjoy when someone comes to take a look at my creations. It's not like I am posting top secret government files.

megansmomma 12-16-2010 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3358661)
You're right, it's not required, but like I said, I get PM's from people who don't know how to contact vendors, and the vendor had no idea that their page was set to private. I would think a vendor would want to make it as easy as possible, and after all, many vendors offer a discount if you contact them. I was on one vendors page where you could not see the words "contact info" at all, so this even makes it harder for people to PM them.

Exactly! It happened to me too. I just moved on and when elsewhere. Why close your market? :confused:

AprilLove 12-16-2010 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3358676)
It just seems that I'm not a vendor and I have always been pretty much an open book. I don't have my page closed to anyone, never refused a friend request and have handed out my phone number to members that need help. So when I see someone that is selling something to the general population they should be more welcoming to a visit on their profile page from all members of the community. It just seems unwelcoming to me. If you were to go to the mall and a store had all the doors locked and the shades drawn tight wouldn't you just move on to the next one?

What could you possibly post on a Yorkie forum that is so top secret that you can't have someone look at? I like to decorate my page and enjoy when someone comes to take a look at my creations. It's not like I am posting top secret government files.
I totally understand what you are saying. I am just not sure that anyone has any sinister reason to block people from their page, and perhaps most don't even realize that many people hardly even visit their own profiles (guilty here :) ), to know when a visitor message has been posted.
There may be some who do it just because they never go to their page and don't want people to feel bad if they post a message and it doesn't get seen or replied to for a long time.

Nancy1999 12-16-2010 03:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AprilLove (Post 3358687)
I totally understand what you are saying. I am just not sure that anyone has any sinister reason to block people from their page, and perhaps most don't even realize that many people hardly even visit their own profiles (guilty here :) ), to know when a visitor message has been posted.
There may be some who do it just because they never go to their page and don't want people to feel bad if they post a message and it doesn't get seen or replied to for a long time.
I don't think anyone has anything sinister either; it just doesn't instill you with confidence. I know the first time I noticed it it was like what the heck? I have no problems with people keeping pictures and other things private, but if someone who's not your "friend" can't even post on your page, how do you get to become friends with them?

capt_noonie 12-16-2010 04:02 PM
I have changed mine to mostly "registered members". I think if someone is interested enough to want to look at my boring page, they should at least be registered with YT.

megansmomma 12-16-2010 04:04 PM
I became friends with Nancy when I first started to beautiful my profile. It was Halloween and we went back and forth looking at each others pages and helped to tweak them to perfection. There are others that I post to their pages too and never PM with. I just never noticed this prior to this past year when more and more pages became closed.

I've handed out my email and phone number to members that needed help for various reasons. So to have a page blocked is just odd.

megansmomma 12-16-2010 04:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3358709)
I have changed mine to mostly "registered members". I think if someone is interested enough to want to look at my boring page, they should at least be registered with YT.
I didn't even know that an unregistered member could look at my profile page. That I could see a problem with if I had something that I didn't want a lurker to look at.

Nancy1999 12-16-2010 04:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3358710)
I became friends with Nancy when I first started to beautiful my profile. It was Halloween and we went back and forth looking at each others pages and helped to tweak them to perfection. There are others that I post to their pages too and never PM with. I just never noticed this prior to this past year when more and more pages became closed.

I've handed out my email and phone number to members that needed help for various reasons. So to have a page blocked is just odd.
I totally agree with you, I've made many friends because my page is open, and easy to reach. There are still lots of people afraid to post on the forum, and posting a question on someone's profile page is so easy. By the way, that was fun doing your Halloween page, thats still one of my favorite pages. We should decorate together again sometime!

Nancy1999 12-16-2010 04:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3358713)
I didn't even know that an unregistered member could look at my profile page. That I could see a problem with if I had something that I didn't want a lurker to look at.
I don't think an unregistered member can look at any profiles.

megansmomma 12-16-2010 04:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3358723)
I don't think an unregistered member can look at any profiles.
I didn't think so either. You can barely make your way around when you are not a member and I *thought* things like PMs and profiles were off limits.

That profile page decorating was the birth of Profile Fanatics group. :D

capt_noonie 12-16-2010 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3358723)
I don't think an unregistered member can look at any profiles.
So what is the difference between "registered members" and "everyone"? I assumed "everyone" meant everyone everyone, registered or not.

MaddiesMommie 12-16-2010 05:15 PM
There have been a few times I have wanted to leave comments on a members page and was not able to. I wondered if it was just me. Glad I am not alone. :) Comfort in numbers.

chattiesmom 12-16-2010 05:25 PM
I'm not sure if unregistered members can view profile pages either, but one of the options is "Registered Members". I will changing my profile to "Registered Members".

As far as whether or not profile pages are public or private, I do believe that it should be a personal choice for ALL YT members Vendor or not. I don't know if my sales are typical, but the majority of my business takes place either in the public part of the forum, via pm's or contacting a my website. It seems like it would be easier for a newby to hit the reply button in a sales thread and type a question to a vender if they don't understand the pm function.

I respect all of the hard work that many members put into decorating their profile pages. However, I am not a fan of the "decorations" and have the "hide customization" turned on. I guess this is what makes our YT world interesting -- we are thousands of individuals each with our own personal preferences.

Nancy1999 12-16-2010 05:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3358777)
So what is the difference between "registered members" and "everyone"? I assumed "everyone" meant everyone everyone, registered or not.
People can come to YT and read the threads without ever signing on to become a member. I don't think you can see pictures on threads, avatars or profile pages, unless you become a registered member. You can check this out by emptying your cookies and opening Yorkietalk, and view it as a guest. Of course, you can't post anything either. Once you donate, you become a donating or contributing member, instead of just a "registered" member.

megansmomma 12-16-2010 05:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3358623)
I forgot to put the link. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/profile.php?do=privacy

To answer your question Quicksilver, newbies haven't learned how to PM people, and the vendors list gives the vendors website and their profile page. It's really easy for a newbie to leave a message on the profile page. I know it seems so easy to PM someone, but to a newbie it's all so confusing.
I just took a look at our options that can be used to allow people access to your profile page

Everyone
Friends
Contacts
Registered Members

So this is even more bothersome since it would seems to me that only "friends and contacts" can be chosen as an option. So I guess those vendors that have chosen this option should only expect sales from their friends. Sounds like a pretty small circle for business.

Nancy1999 12-16-2010 05:43 PM
Here's the vendors list: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ore-sites.html, and you can see the second part of the link gives the vendors' profile page. For those vendors who wish to keep their profile pages set to private, I could change the link to a PM to you. Let me know on this thread: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/tes...g-test-16.html, if that's what you wish to do.

chattiesmom 12-16-2010 05:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3358800)
I just took a look at our options that can be used to allow people access to your profile page

Everyone
Friends
Contacts
Registered Members

So this is even more bothersome since it would seems to me that only "friends and contacts" can be chosen as an option. So I guess those vendors that have chosen this option should only expect sales from their friends. Sounds like a pretty small circle for business.

I haven't seen any YT Vendor who uses the profile page for sales. Shoot, I have been selling at YT since 2004 and the thought never even occurred to me. Advertising and sales should take place in the Sales Forums. Contacting vendors can take place publicly in the Sales Forums, privately via pm's or by visiting vendor's websites. I do understand that some people post on profile pages -- both praises and complaints, but the appropriate place for reviews is in the Review section.

Other than an alternative method for contacting a member, I don't see what the profile page has to do with selling. To me it would open a backdoor way for non-contrtibuting members to sell which would be grossly unfair to those of us who do contribute.


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