It does take time...that I agree with. Don't know how others viewed it. I have to say that I gave up on reading it and I don't like doing that because I do like to view others opinions.

I suppose the fact that yours are in blue makes sense; but I am an old bat and have a hard enough time following some things. :) I think I could not figure out who you were quoting.

:confused:could you explain exactly how this is a witch hunt. I am not hunting anyone.

No one has to post in this thread or admit to anything. I am surprised that so many of the offenders have posted here. I didn't think any of them would.

Sure you are. You simply could not let that thread go and you just have to tell everyone how she maligned a poor disabled and poor woman; and that is just NOT being honest. I will bet that you are steaming because you probably wanted her suspended. Just unbelievable....now go bathe your pups as you said you were. That is a much more worth while thing to be doing.

I left here earlier to do the same thing. Sometimes the internet takes time away from those things and it really is healthier for everyone to take a break from the madness.

No I did not indicate that everyone is mean. just that if you want an answer to a question and not a lectutr on breeding ethics you might not want to post the question publicly

Thank You

I have seen all these quotes of all the bad that newbies have come on to post yet did you bother to go through all the threads to post about all the good that has been said about YT. I'm a rescuer. I do not have a Holier then thou attitude. I do not attack breeders. Not good ones. I do have issues with people using their dogs to make a living without concern for the welfare of the dogs they are breeding. The points that seem to be overlooked is that 1. She "rescued" in her words this dog. 2. In her words, the dog was skin and bones, not quite a year old and frightened, yet she bred her, not only too young, but right away without even addressing the issues first that this poor dog had and 3. She's not only bred her once but back to back. She asked for advice, yet how can we in good conscience give that advice without first addressing the real issue/s.

You speak about attacking and LadyJane seems to be brought up quite a bit, but have you or anyone looked to see the work LadyJane has done with dogs that no one wanted or would otherwise be dead (or) instead of posting all the negative comments made about YT and the members, how about posting the good that these same members you are accusing of attacking have done.

It is a witch hunt and it is one sided but not on the side you're suggesting.

I advocate the interest of the animal first and if that makes me a bad person then so be it.

Elaine

LOL
Do you have any idea what a disabled person get from SS?

But the funny part is.

Everyone is so concerned that someone is breeding to make money, but what they are not saying is that there is little if any profit in breeding. That was the very first lesson I learned on here. The seond lesson was to be very selective about the questions you ask and to research other threads to find the answer before you ask.

It would be helpful rif youf fmade reference to whom you were adderessing your post, either by quoting or by name.

if you were addressing me.

I have NEVER brought up ANY names. No names need to be brought up, the thread speaks for itself


I do not know what you mean by a witch hunt. Call me stupid if you want, it won't be the first time. I am not hunting anyone.

Any one that comes on here and posts does so of their own free will.

Well, I may not have the exact figure. I think the SS is based on dependents ect. However, I do know that if you are collecting you should not be working because that is the point in collecting SS Disablility. Your inablility to work. Since, money is being exchanged through the sale of the pups, then she is earning income which says she can work. And, actually let me correct you. Little profit is made when proper care and concern is given to the dogs you are breeding as well as the pups you are selling, however, Big profit is made when the welfare of the dogs you breed or pups you sell is not your priority. Elaine

i singled out this thread..too many others to go through and i singled out some of the problems i saw...i didnt picked just from one person but through out the entire thread...i was posting about something i saw as an issue i wasnt speaking about the good..i was speaking on the problems with all the negativity..that was point i wanted made

i also dont see people chasing anyone with fire lit torches..lol...and no names have been mentioned at all..so if anyone feels they are being hunted down..it could be their conscious

You are not stupid. And, you also are not fooling anyone. You did not bring up any names; but you did say it was my peer. So clearly, you are dropping little hints. Honestly after you said that it probably became crystal clear to everyone who you meant.

You are just dancing to avoid being suspended for a direct attack.

Makes NO sense to me that you are spending this amount of time trying to discredit a very lovely woman who meant NO ill to any human being. Well actually it sort of makes sense if perhaps you put a vested interest in trying to get her suspended. Just a thought.

If you really believe the things you are saying, then I suggest you consult with a professor who can assist you in reading comprehension. She did NOT attack anyone!

The OP is not insinuating anything, I have no idea what you mean by the SPIN and the witch hunt, that you keep referring to.

This is not about anyone person, it is about the fentire group that attacked her personally.

If I were directing this at any one post, I would create a link to that exact post.

I am upset with the pack mentality.

Unfortunately for me I DO know who she is referring to as she sent a nasty PM to that person.

Sometimes we need to let things go. My suggestion for the day for all of us is to go pray for everyone who upsets you....pray for them to have all good things and voila! we will see things in a different light. God has a way of making things better if we remain open to that possibility.

I am quite finished...I have better things to do today.

Jeannie you did say it was one of my peers...ONE...not many. But...as I said..I am finished for now. I would go back and find that post, but I dont want to be on the computer any longer.

There were several of your PEERS that were posting on that thread. My original post mentioned EXPERIENCED BREEDERS and RESCUERS.

You fit in that group.

You contradict yourself. First you say I am not STUPID then suggest that I need help in reading comprehension.

I have been in enough debates with you to know that when you run out of arguments, you start personal attacks. I guess we have reached that point.

Say what you want about me, make all your little personal slams. It only goes to prove my point.

Thanks for the help.

I'm really disappointed that this thread has so much activity and it's so negative, yet when I post something positive http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...1327-love.html it get's very little attention. :(

I stand corrected: You said PEERS...not just one. I do know you PM'd one so I guess I assumed.

I am not making personal slams.

I did not say that you are stupid...or insinuate it. I know you are not stupid as I have seen how you master your wording on things. I said...that IF you believe the things you are saying, you need help with reading comprehension. I guess that is a slam to you...but not to me.
AGAIN: NONE of my peers (not exactly SURE who you refer to as my peers) made fun of a person disabled and poor. IF you truly believe they did...then ask a person in the language profession to view that thread. That's all.
NOW I am off for a while..I do have pups to care for.

I have been a long time member here and I believe YT has changed a lot since earlier days. It used to be that when someone came on with a question, they got friendly advice. These days, I've seen time and time again when a person is attacked. Instead of friendly and supportive advice, it is demands...and that person darn well better take that advice, or else!

I am with those that are no longer comfortable with posting a question here and normally find another place to go for that. A couple of months ago, my Libby suddenly became very ill. I took her to another vet because my vet was out of town. She was treated and sent home. By 11:00 that night, I thought she was dying. Her diarrhea became straight blood and she could hardly hold her head up. I couldn't get the vet to meet me at the clinic. Years ago, I would have come here for advice, but found another place that was very supportive. If I'd put a thread here, I probably would have been chastised for not getting in the car and driving 8 or more hours through a major blizzard and closed highways to get her to an ER clinic. PTL Libby survived with the help of a vet in Africa and another in Washington, and some very supportive friends.

I still love this place and will continue to come back, but my blood boils every time I see a thread where someone has asked an innocent question that turns into an ugly free for all. I realize it's the internet, and people have opinions, but give your opinion in a nice way and if they don't take your advice, take a chill pill and walk away.

on the ss..lord im helping my mil (and i ll put it this way "we aint close"..lol) she gets 1689.00 for her self..and she has never managed bills in the 3 months after her husband died she was in foreclosure...plus all the cc damange..argh! now im managing them but i cant get her caught up, i cant pay her debt not on her funds..she will have to stay behind until something changes or some magic money shows up..now she isnt a breeder or anything but im postive then even if some one on a fixed income profits $500.00 extra that month it probably helps alot..i dont think its fair that someone who receives a small govt check cant have some kind of small income whether they are working from home online or sitting in a chair behind a cash registered..but thats a totally different subject...


im really not trying to start a debate on the selling/making money on puppies

but i think if you are breeding for yourself , your line, showing you are probably in the hole..understandably

but for the breeders that sell to the general public...they make some money..and im sure they wont say it because they will be told that they are doing it correctly..but breeding and selling..unless they have big unexcpected exspense they pocket some money.. and im grateful there are breeders that sell to the general public...im blessed with my 3 and as im sure alot of others feel blessed with theres..

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I couldn't agree more!~ :thumbup:

I don't think it's fair either that somone that collects SS is unabe to work without being penalized, but there is a difference between regular SS security and SS disability. SS disablility is for someone who claims they are UNABLE to work due to a disablility. Regular Social Security, there is no claim of limitation of work.

I'm not going to debate either. I keep it friendly. Think about it though and I'm just trying to open some minds here. Breeding takes a lot of physical work so if this person is disabled and is claiming her disability prevents her from an abillity to work (Even as a cashier, an office worker sitting at a desk, etc) which requires little physical work, how is it that she can perform the constant physical duties successfully and up to par that a breeding program requires.

That's the difference between regular Social Security and Social Security Disability. The person collecting regular SS is not claiming to be physcially handicapped to the point of not being able to work. Whereas, someone collecting SS Disability is making the claim that they are not physically capable of working. And, I can't see how she can properly care and maintain her breeding dogs and pups properly if she's telling the government she's too disabled to work. If that's the case and I don't know. I just know she's claiming to be disabled and unable to work.

Again, not arguing but it was brought up so this is a point that was never raised. I'm not attacking. Just bringing some points up about care and physical limitations.

Elaine

See...the whole gist of that thread when it focused on the SSI topic was...can one really do a good job breeding when your funds are already limited AND can one meet the demands that a job like this requires of a disabled breeder? Since the OP voluntarily provided the thread with that information then, those were all legitimate questions to be asked.

It's a humble experience to put yourself out there with your questions & info but, IF you can't take away from it some very concerning answers than there's really no point to posting the thread in the first place.

I always like to think that even out of the most hot topic threads that maybe just one piece of information (good, preferably) will stick in someones brain that maybe not today but, later down the road will come back to be realized as fruitful information...and they'll see the light!

That's what I hope for...

ps...and really, do you seriously mean to tell me that breeding is ONLY for the love of perpetuating the breed and NOT for any monetary profit?

I am not the only one that believes she was being belittled, not made fun of. So apparently there are more people than just me who need a lesson in reading comprehension.

Oh is that the "witch" you are referring to. ha I didn't expect her to show up, didn't expect any of them to show up, but especially her. I PM'd her to point out to her that many companies hire the handicapped to get the government grants. It's their "token" handicapped person. Also not every handicapped person is disabled.

If a person with an office job is in as wheel chair, they can still perform their duties. If a plumber is in a wheel chair, he is pretty much disabled.

I now know whom you are referring to. If I had wanted her suspended, I would have reported her posts on that thread. I addressed her instead. Moderators do not suspend after the fact.

I doubt that she feels any remorse. Did not appear to be the kind, caring, sensitive person that she is being made out to be.

I'm sure she won't show up here. but she most likely knows what has been said.

This is true, but I do believe it was the OP herself that stated she was disabled and could not work? NO? Which is a whole different ball game, then the examples you've made above.

If she's disabled and cannot work, then more then likely she'd be collecting SS Disablility in which case she's telling the government that her disability is so severe that she is is unable to hold ANY JOB, even hold a job as an office worker in a wheel chair and she's collecting $$ for such a disablility, Which also says that she most certainly would not be able to perform the physical duties required of breeding. No ? And, under federal laws she would not be entitled to work and collect the money awarded under SS Disability. Elaine

Very sad, in my opinion, that you chose to start this up rather than let it die when that thread was closed last night. I am finished discussing the details of it all with you. I have voiced my opinion and that is enough.

As to your last paragraph, clearly you don't know the standards that must be met to be approved for Social Security Disability. Many pensions have the standard that one must be considered unable to perform in their job description in order to be considered disabled. Social Security does not have the same standards....they actually look at whether a person can work at ALL in a job. I would have to look at the exact wording again, but I do know it is not what you said.

LadyJane. In order to be elligible to collect SS Disability you have to be UNABLE to perform ANY JOB TASK. Elaine

HOW DO YOU QUALIFY MEDICALLY FOR SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY (QUALIFICATIONS)?


from that site:

The next step in the process is "other work". That is, if social security finds that you cannot do your past work, the DDS examiner will investigate other forms of work that you might be able to switch to.

"Other work" has to be work which you are exertionally capable of doing. And, often, it has to be work which your particular job skills will transfer to.

So, if you used to do a mechanic type job that was medium exertion, but now, because of your medical condition, the examiner concludes you can only do light work, the examiner might try to find (in a huge volume which lists thousands of jobs, including many that do not exist in your area) an "other work" job to send you to, such as a mechanic job that involves less lifting and is classified as light exertion.

Now let me make this point. When DDS "sends you" to an other work job, that doesn't mean that disability is actually sending you anywhere. That's just the terminology used to describe the process---the process of turning you down for your social security benefits by saying that you are capable of doing "other work".

By the number of people who say they are afraid to post, and considering the number of unknown, people who have dropped in an left due to the bashings, I would say it is a HUGE problem.

By all the bashing, they are prevented from doing the exact thing that they claim to be doing it for. the welfare of the dog.

if people are frightened off they are not learning.

Why not just answer the persons question, and if you feel they need to be told not to breed then say it snd explain why and move on. if they are going to take myour advice, they will, and if not, then they won't, but you may have helped someone along the way.

By attacking the person and turning the thread into a bashing, no one has learned anythng except not to ask questions. By the time one is finished reading those threads, they don't even remember what the original question was.

You cannot belittle a person and turn around and say it is for the good of the dog, or the good of the breed, because you haven't accomplished that.

Those are just excuses that you are giving to try to justify the bashing.

Two WRONGS do not make a RIGHT.