Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3079946)

There are some of us on YT that will place the welfare of the dogs above humans because someone has to be the voice for these animals, we have seen or see on a daily basis the abuse of animals. We have enough people that use them for their own welfare and it is very apparent with some people. If the majority of people on YT feels that no one should try to protect these dogs or animals in general then I have been sadly mistaken what this group is about.

For those of you who think the respectable breeders and the real rescue people were downgrading someone because they don't have $$$ and are in a wheelchair is just trying to put a spin on a story . I have a handicapped family member and I have family members who are poor - and I can darn well tell you they would be very upset to know people are trying to play the "poor is me card" and I can also tell you they love animals and would not use them to pay bills. So poor handicapped people don't have to play by the same rules..I don't think so and I am sure they would also be offended by this suggestion. In fact many of them fought for laws so they are treated as equals. IMO when people put a spin on these issues they are the ones who are prejudice against these people...they see them as different. Let me point out here, I am not against poor, handicapped people breeding if they can do it right (for the dogs) and can handle situations and have the resources ($$$) if something happens. If you are handicapped and cannot get into the whelping box to help mom then it is one more reason you should not be breeding. They also should be doing their homework/research before they start the process...just like anyone else. I would also add here for the ones being so judgmental have you worked with abused dogs, walk into a puppy mill, walked into a byb's home, been in the shelters, seen the fear in these animals eyes, seen animals that cower because of abuse and been there when the breeders are done with them and toss them away or even kill them ? Everyone on YT has to decide if they are going to help animals or hurt animals.

For those of you who are afraid to ask questions then I feel sorry for your pup. Everyday hundreds of questions come into YT and never have a problem so I wonder just what questions you are so afraid to ask. Hurting animals is never right in my book nor is using them for your own greed and frankly I am disgusted if members on YT feels this way.

We all know anyone can make $$$ off of the dogs by not doing right by the animals. The ones who don't make money are pouring the money back into their breeding programs by going to the shows, giving their dogs top medical & dental care, feeding them quality food, investing in educational programs and spending $$$ researching the dogs and their pedigree's and are not cutting corners with their breeding program. Again a spin put on the story.

I will never understand how someone could know a dog killed puppies, gets into death fights with another dog , was an abused dog, dogs beaten by a cane where the dogs were still in pain the next day is okay and that we are the bad people for trying to protect the animals. But then again some people think it is okay to kill a puppy with a hammer.

If some of you think I enjoy confrontation, you are wrong, but I will speak up for the dogs.

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 3079881)

I agree w/ Mardelin - that's where I'm coming from as well.

I think this thread is presumptive. It infers too much about the original thread that wasn't there, in my opinion. This person, disabled or fully abled, was breeding an abused dog, was not providing a safe environment for these dogs, and was adding more dogs to the mix. THAT was really the issue. Dogs were fighting, puppies died.

When a few people made comments saying she should not be using these dogs to make money, those comments, imo, were *not* about her disability - those comments were about the fact that she was *not* breeding safely.

For the record, maryeverrett1, I am not blind - but I do find it very ironic and rather insensitive that you would make that kind of comment in this thread.

Originally Posted by Reese1 (Post 3079895)

Jeanie,
Again I'm not condoning attacks on anyone with a disability or for being poor, but I don't honestly see how you can separate out your quote above.
I don't think you can say whether posters did right by that individual without the connection of her doing right by the dog. It goes hand in hand because it's what ignited the passion and responses.
I'm not going to lose sight of what disturbed me about that situation to begin with because I think it's serious.

Originally Posted by chic-n-ltl (Post 3079954)

Okay....I bred my yorkie on March 22nd....litter due around May 22nd, this morning when I took her out to potty...(pee) she came in with a long, thin, yellowish string hanging from her that I had to wipe off. Is this normal, or should I be concerned?

Originally Posted by chic-n-ltl (Post 3079903)

I'm new to YT, and I didn't read the post, but, I have read a few of these comments. I came on here this morning to ask a question.....now, I'm not sure I should ask anything on here!!:confused:

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3079876)

Let me add in defense of Wylie's Mom/Moderator. She's on the side of the dogs too, and could very well be the reason she allowed the thread to be played out.

Originally Posted by chic-n-ltl (Post 3079954)

Okay....I bred my yorkie on March 22nd....litter due around May 22nd, this morning when I took her out to potty...(pee) she came in with a long, thin, yellowish string hanging from her that I had to wipe off. Is this normal, or should I be concerned?

Originally Posted by chic-n-ltl (Post 3079954)

Okay....I bred my yorkie on March 22nd....litter due around May 22nd, this morning when I took her out to potty...(pee) she came in with a long, thin, yellowish string hanging from her that I had to wipe off. Is this normal, or should I be concerned?

Originally Posted by Reese1 (Post 3079933)

Honestly, I just went back and re-read through a lot of the posts and I really think most of the fighting at the end was not between the original poster and others, but between someone there defending her and other posters.
I honestly didn't see posts that were just attacking her for being disabled. One post that was said about her getting a job, I honestly think came without knowledge of her being disabled, but in response to the fact she is breeding to pay bills.Most of the posts I read that had anything at all to do with her being disabled were again directed to another poster defending her practices and were stating that the fact she is disabled doesn't warrant or justify her breeding practices.
I don't see where anyone was making fun of her for being disabled, calling her names for being disabled. Maybe, I missed them somewhere, but I didn't see that.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3079778)

I do not ask a lot of times either, I go to those who I know will not call me "STUPID" for asking as question.

This thread was my "rant". The things said in that thread were unnecessary. There were many peole who gave good advice and answered her question. Others started right out belittling her for being poor.

The funny thing is, when I first joined and mentioned breeding everyone pointed out to me that there is no money to be made breeding dogs.
Now everyone is accusing people of breeding for the money. Well we all know that if you do make any profit it is small one, and the next litter you might lose money.

Addressing the disabled issue. Not all disabled people are house bound or confined to a bed. they can do things but it is difficult for them and takes them a lot longer and they need to rest more frequently. And that is what makes one unemployable. It's not that they can't do anything it's that no one will hire them because they are not efficient and they need too many breaks.

But to tell a disable person to get off their ass and get a job is way out of line.

Originally Posted by chic-n-ltl (Post 3079954)

Okay....I bred my yorkie on March 22nd....litter due around May 22nd, this morning when I took her out to potty...(pee) she came in with a long, thin, yellowish string hanging from her that I had to wipe off. Is this normal, or should I be concerned?

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3079974)

You can PM me personaklly, if I cannot answer the question, i will direct you to a safe person to consult with.

Originally Posted by TinyMiss (Post 3080009)

oohh wow.... I'm new here so maybe I shouldn't have opened this forum (hahaha) ... I mean I do agree with you but I have never seen a thread like that before and to hear that it happens a lot and people are afraid to post question makes me not want to post questions myself which is the reason why I even registered... hopefully I get the good answers... if anything I can always delete someone's replies right?

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3079974)

You can PM me personaklly, if I cannot answer the question, i will direct you to a safe person to consult with.

Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 3080010)

:confused::confused: why would you say that ? There's tons of breeders happy to answer questions ...that's only compounding the idea that everyone is mean here and they aren't !!! I know you meant well but if it's posted in that section - others may find that kind of question and answer beneficial to them also -

Originally Posted by TinyMiss (Post 3080009)

oohh wow.... I'm new here so maybe I shouldn't have opened this forum (hahaha) ... I mean I do agree with you but I have never seen a thread like that before and to hear that it happens a lot and people are afraid to post question makes me not want to post questions myself which is the reason why I even registered... hopefully I get the good answers... if anything I can always delete someone's replies right?

Originally Posted by Reese1 (Post 3079942)

Jeanie,

I know I just posted to you, but I saw this after. I don't think people attacked her for not having a job because she was disabled. I'm sorry, but IMO that is twisting things.
People were "attacking" her breeding practices and the reasons given for them. JMO
I think people were frustrated that someone was defending her practices and justifying it because of her being disabled, but please point me to where someone for the sake of being mean just plain attacked her disability?

Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3079917)

"I see so many people saying they are afraid to post questions. I for one am not."

apparently this is a big problem because it has been posted many many many time

heres some proof that it has become uncomfortable for more..

quote " YT has really changed :( I'm sad by this because I use to really enjoy spending so much of my time here. It used to be such pleasant place. I 100% support educating, but feel there is also a proper way of doing that. Placing others beneath you, surely can't be the way".

"Thank you for taking the words out of my mouth here. I have been watching and wanting to post but I was unsure of how to say what I
ment."

I'm new to YT, and I didn't read the post, but, I have read a few of these comments. I came on here this morning to ask a question.....now, I'm not sure I should ask anything on here!!:confused:

"Several have stated that people are hesitant of asking questions, because they fear being jumped, bashed, whatever.....If questions are asked with good intentions for their dogs, one doesn't have to fear that." again its more proof that people are becoming more and more unwilling to voice their questions for fear of being jumped and of course placing their pups in harms way. "But, if questions are asked and advice is offered and one is not willing to take it, and will do what they are going to do anyway, why post your question. That is when YTers become passionate, angry and things get out of hand." whether they take the advise or not and you never really know, we are behind monitors, just putting it out there is great enough..so "oustiders" might see it and have the answers they need..or memebers to intimidated post can get the answers they need..but we individuals see the "mentors" or their "groupies" bashing people..they will look the other way and NOT read the answers and probably choose NOT to stay, again more puppies/dogs at risk because of the mannerism in the way things were addressed,

again! : These people (the same ones) again and again are the ones who are repeat offenders and it causes others to be scared to post and ask questions which is info that maybe a poor defenseless yorkie might depend on their owner knowing.

"I understand how it can look from the outside, but if you really want to listen to advice, I can't see it turning for the worst."

this is how yt is represented...from out siders, insiders, and people who will never become members or stay members

"have had questionable questions before now and again. Instead of posting a thread that I could foresee as going wrong, instead I pm'd a member or two that I have great respect for and asked their opinion."

"newbies" dont have that option

"I think people should also refrain from using the phrase "if you don't have anything nice/helpful/constructive etc to say you shouldn't say anything at all" when they have been helpful like pages and pages back."

whats sad is you believe that...thats how teachers or are supposed to teach.. and again newbys may not know how to navigate to find that information on here.

". some people seem to not be able to ever let things go.." apparently alot of people cant let it go and a lot of people are standing up and saying something because it just isnt right. and on the note "people cant let it go" the same people "on the other side of the fight" cant either with their "venting" threads

"I find it interesting that certain breeders seem to have an axe to grind with rescuers" no i see this actually switched around rescuers have an axe to grind with breeders..they are fighting the loudest and are typically the first to loose control and get nasty. its wonderful with the rescuers do but it doesnt mean they are better then the breeder and just because you might have cleaned one breeders mess up doesnt mean you can direct all that anger and frustration on other breeders that may have never caused any messes.

"This is all just so ridiculous that people want to malign others....acting all holier than thou. People who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
this is the exact reason why people are "venting" now and what people tried to say on the other thread.

interjecting a quote i liked

"This is a YORKIE forum. No one here is God or Mother Teresa. It is not YOUR job to make accusations to ones character! You can get your point across without being total WITCHES"

twinkie2cute i respected n liked ur post as well..but to long to add :D

here should be another tip for yt administrators to look at and investigate

"every negative/heated post whether it was meant to be negative/heated or not consists of the same handfull of posters."

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3080069)

I am responding to this before reading the rest of the thread. I simply want to say thank you because this is exactly what happened. The man who is not posting here yet today was the one defending her practices and that is who also accused me of insensitivity.

That woman was not attacked the way I see all of this....I said it before...this is SPIN. And, yes, that IS a witch hunt....and the person being hunted is NOT a witch.

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 3080073)

No disrespect, but I cannot follow this or the post following it. I stopped trying to read it as I don't know who is saying what.

Please try to use the quote thingy....it really makes things clearer.

There is a way to multi quote as well...but you can only do three at a time.

I am not great in explaining HOW to do it, but perhaps you can ask?

Originally Posted by kjcmsw (Post 3079993)

I think...and we all know what I think is just what I think, to be taken or left --- when someone asks a question...even if the question is phrased in such a way that it appears the one asking isn't highly educated - in Yorkie matters, et al...that those that choose to respond should simply answer the question(s) and try to keep personal opinions on the back burner because their personal opinions are just that, whether those opinions have some basis in fact or not, just answer the question if you know the answer, if not, why respond at all?...unless of course the poster specifies they are not looking for an answer to a specific question and are seeking to hear personal opinions on a matter.
It seems to me that for those that have a deep seated need to express their opinions should post those opinions as new threads in the discussion part and then those that have the same opinions could have a back and forth discussion with them, thus keeping the attacks in check. Throwing in your opinion and not answering the question posted does nothing to reinforce one's professional and educated status on a subject. Also anything beyond the answer unless it is to state a particular stat (absolutely proven as fact) related directly to the question is simply fodder for fools and addresses only the responder's need to keep reinforcing their own beliefs, which presents itself as questionable as to its reliability and basis in fact. Therefore when going beyond just answering the question the responder should also provide a direct reference to their quoted stat if they want your addition to be taken seriously. Think of it as a peer-reviewed paper.
~KC

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3080076)

Nope~she is one of the sweetest people you would ever want to meet but unfortunatly she is away at her cauldron.............ummm wait I meant to say Making Sunday dinner for her family. :p