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3 children attacked by pitbulls in New Orleans in one week! Third New Orleans child attacked by pit bull in one week | - NOLA.com You can argue all day long that pits are not dangerous, but seriously, something needs to be done. I've lost 2 yorkies to pits and another YTer's son was recently attacked by one. For those that argue that other dogs are more aggressive, like dachsunds for example; bites by a weenie dog rarely cost a child their life!! You may have been bitten or snapped at by a small, vicious chihuahua, but I bet it did not lock onto you and refuse to let go, causing serious bodily damage or death. I'm tired of hearing about children dying from this breed of dog that the "street thugs" breed and abuse to make themselves look cool. A dachsund may be aggressive, but I haven't heard of them being used in dog fighting rings! (unless they were the unfortunate bait dogs) Once again, while I don't believe the dog should be totally banned, I do believe that there should be VERY strong regulations regarding ownership and breeding of these dogs. Start with a yearly fee for owning one dog, like $500 per dog. Then allow a very limited number of breeders to breed and hit them with so many rules and regulations that only the truly dedicated will want to breed them. Just my 2 cents, but I had to vent on this. I almost don't want to look at the news anymore because this kind of thing is almost a weekly story around my area. This site may open so of your eyes to the "truth" about pits and other dangerous dogs Pit Bull Attacks and Pit Bull Legislation - DogsBite.org. |
I, for one, totally agree with you. It's really sad to think this breed has gotten to where it is today, untrustworthy with the potential of being extremely dangerous. Laws need to be changed to protect the innocent and to protect the dog. Any owner should have to go threw extensive training and prove himself fit for ownership. Pounds and shelters are loaded with pits. Anyone can adopt one from these places. It will never get better unless regulations for owning one are made into law with consequences to pay if the dog does damage. As much as I fear one I also feel sorry for it. I hope those children will be ok and not dramatized in the future. |
I wish for some way to make all dog owners more responsible for their dogs. Leash/containment laws need to be enforced. We need to make liability enough of a deterrent for negligence. I cannot own a lion and allow it to run freely around the neighborhood. Why should anyone feel free to allow their dogs to roam the streets and terrorize people and their leashed pets? We could ban Pits tomorrow, but the irresponsible people who made Pits a problem would only replace them with another breed and the problems would continue. |
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Also, for the OP, Pits do not have locking jaws....they do not even have the most powerful bit per SQ IN, but they are tenacious and need obedience, socialization, and a dominent owner. A quality bred Pit will not bit a human, but they are dog agressive. Can't really take it out of them, but you can lesson it. I would own a quality bred pit. |
It is the irresponsible breeding for aggression that has caused so many problem involving Pit Bulls. While some will argue that Pits need to have owners that know how to handle them responsibly it is also being bred deeper into their lines. Just like a responsible breeder looks for certain characteristic and genetics irresponsible breeders that look to use Pits for aggression or worse yet dog fighting breed for these traits. From my understanding, when dogs are bred for fighting they consider things like the strength of their jaws, jumping ability, aggressive nature when they are paired together for breeding. Its much like breeding as a champion on the grayhound track or horse track. If you want to win then you take the best and go from there. I have heard very reputable members of YT refer to needing to know many generations back and how a recessive gene can come through with a breeding. If you take this theory and apply it to irresponsible breeding for this purpose what you get is dogs that are attacking and KILLING people. IMO there really is no argument for this because it is genetic and you cannot control genetics with behavior modifications. |
These poor children :(. I agree with you in that there are so many humans who have victimized and abused this breed. I am against BSL (breed specific legislation). I would support harsher punishment for humans involved in dog fighting. I would also support leash/containment laws and some other laws, perhaps, as well. Best Friends is a great place to learn about the misconceptions about Pit Bulls (they rescued and rehabbed Micheal Vick's dogs). Small dogs kill too, does anyone remember this (QUOTE): The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.) In Canine homicides and the dog bite epidemic: do not confuse them, it has been pointed out that the dog bite epidemic as a whole involves all dogs and all dog owners, not just the breeds most likely to kill. In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that: * Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner or handler most often is responsible for making a dog into something dangerous. * An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above). * Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be potentially dangerous. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack. (end QUOTE) From this site: DOG BITE LAW |
Those poor children. I don't care what breed it is, it all comes back to the owner being irresponsible. Make the punishment fit the crime. We are responsible if our children hit someone with a car, we should be responsible for the actions of our animals. |
I think the problem with Pitts are that they are so very strong and if they are not raised or bred correctly they are very dangerous bc when they attack their jaw locks and it is like trying to open a vice. I know this all to well bc I lost a cat to an attack by a neighbors pitt and it was an awful thing to see. I tried to save her and neighbors heard me screaming for help and two men came running and one got the dog in a head lock and the other stepped on its shoulder while I stuck a meatal broom it its mouth to pry it open. My cat died 3 hrs later at the vets from internal injuries. So needless to say, I don't feel safe around this breed and whenever I see one, when me and my girls are out walking I keep my distance! I know that everyone argues about the fact that it is the way they are raised and probably there is good truth to that. I just think that they are a breed that SHOULD NOT be around children or other small pets! Just my opinion:rolleyes: |
This is a "yorkie" site and many of us here also support pitbulls, own pitbulls, and other bully type breeds and are against breed banning and to see these hate threads every week is a little upsetting. And with that I'm going to focus my attention to other threads before I get angry. |
It breaks my heart to hear of more attacks; bless those children that will be physically and mentally injured for life due to this. It is unfortunate that bad breeding and irresponsible owners are furthering the dislike of this breed. Hawaii is full of Pit Bulls and Pit mixes. There very well may be some nice sweet ones out there, but how would I ever know which is nice and which is a potential killer? Bottom line is I can't tell the difference, so I avoid ALL of them for the safety of myself and my doggies. I am all for owner responsibility, and feel ALL dogs, regardless of breed should be restrained PERIOD, and failure to do so should be punishable! |
Quote"The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictability is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards. ("Baby Girl Killed by Family Dog," Los Angeles Times, Monday, October 9, 2000, Home Edition, Metro Section, Page B-5.)Quote I agree that pits are not the only dogs responsible for for killing, however, I have yet to read a story where a small dog killed a 5 year old child. I can however post many stories of pits that have killed children and adults. The above quoted story is tragic, but is as much a story of the adult being neglectful as the dog being responsible. I have raised 3 children and have always owned dogs and cats. I NEVER left one of my babies unattended with any pet of mine. As for the comment about this being a yorkie site, I agree. However, my family has been the victim of pitbull attacks (lost 2 yorkies), and I am not the only YT member that has had run-ins with pits. This is the section on YT for posting "everything else", so I chose to post my vent here. Lastly I would like to say that pitbulls do "lock" when they bite in attack mode. Dog fighting breeders breed their pits to win fights. In order to win, they must be tenacious enough to "fight to the death". They purposely breed the dogs that show the most determination to never give up in a fight. This involves the dog grabbing hold of it's opponent and not letting go unless they are literally "pried" off of the other dog with a bite stick. Dogs that do not meet these requirements are generally killed and not contributing to the next generation of pit puppies. I promise there are many more pits loose on the street that were bred by this kind of person than pits that were bred by good breeders. While some may own pits that were purchased from good breeders that loved the breed, it does NOT mean that all pits are sweet dogs that would make great family pets. When yorkies, pomeranians, chihuahuas, and poodles start killing children and adults and become the sidekicks for drug dealers and street thugs, then I'll start posting stories about that. Right now I post it like I read it. |
Oh yes, as far as leash laws go. If a person has a criminal history, including but not limited to; dog fighting, drug abuse and selling, gang related crimes, etc., I seriously doubt that they are concerned about making sure that their pit is properly controlled by a leash. Furthermore in many areas, like the small rural town that I live in, there is no leash law outside of the city limits. There is also no animal control other than the local Sheriff's Office, that has limited resources and manpower. What happens then? |
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And, bc rural areas have less animal control - again - that means the answer is Breed legislation? I don't see how this is the answer.... When we discriminate against ONE breed, we discriminate against ALL breeds, in my opinion. First, Pits, then, Rotts, Labs, Malamutes....then, what, eventually, Yorkies? What happens then? |
In my opinion I think there should be a law that requires a person to take dog behavior and training classes to be allow to purchase that breed. A fine is useless but a class can be essential and very educating. So if the dog does attack the owner can't say: I dunno. I don't like that breed but it's a creature who deserves a chance in having a good life. If my breeder required me to take classes for even my toy breeds why would I refuse if it benefits both. Just a thought. |
If I lost a pet or human companion to a pit, I would hate them too. Absolutely you are entitled to feel that way. I am so sorry that this happened to you and your dogs. Like Wylie's Mom, I don't believe in breed-specific legislation, and I also agree that jerks would just focus on another breed, as they have in the past. German Shepards, Dobermans, Rottweillers, etc. FYI, the three breeds I mentioned have had aggression bred out of them over the past decade(s). So it is possible. I imagine some other breed will become more popular, and the pit will fall out of favor, as other breeds have in the past. I know one poster here had a yorkie killed by two labrador retrievers. It really can happen with any breed. |
One thing that people don't understand about this breed is they have a muscle that runs from their jaw to the top of their head. Their jaws are extremely stong and when they bite and latch on they then shake and shake whatever they have a hold of. That is where they can do an extreme amount of damage. I am not saying that I hate the breed or that they should be banned. It would be a shame for those responsible owners that would be punished because of the thugs that think it's cool to breed and even fight these dogs. If you have ever seen what these dogs were put through for fighting it's horrible. Some even inject them with testosterone to make them even more muscular and agressive. And once they are allowed to fight or taught to fight they must be put down. They can't ever be adopted out. As far as pit bull attacks I do have to say that most of the time when you here about a dog attack on the news there is a pit involved. No matter what people who love this breed have to say about it being all in how you raise them, Some breeds are definetly called bully breeds for a reason. I have had one that I grew up with then one day it just snapped and snapped at my one year old son and bit him on the face. Thank God it was only a small puncture wound and a black eye because it could have been much worse. We of course had her put down because there are just no second chances for something like that. Unfortunatly there isn't enough law enforcement out there to control all the bad breeders out there so at the end of the day they need to decide if a ban would be in the best interest of the people. |
I looked around to see if I could find very specific numbers for ALL dog bites and I found the following information that was very interesting so I thought I would share. The chart breaks down around 100 different breeds of dogs, they types of bites, types of injuries and even has footnotes referring to the different situations of some of the statistics. I was really hoping that I would find some evidence to change my thoughts but this chart was a huge eye opener for me. I'm by no means for breed specific legislation but I do think that there are some dog that are much more dangerous than others. Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 22, 2009 I also ran across some interesting statistics and then was not able to locate them when I went back to post the link but briefly: Males dogs are more likely to bite than female Neutered male is less likely to bite than an intact male One last comment regarding the above, there are many program that offer free and low cost spay/neuter for Pit Bulls to help curb some of the aggression that is seen. I do believe that as with any family pet this is something at needs to be done for the pet over population in this country. I don't believe that I am bashing pit owners just stating facts and hope that everyone will look at link to see where the most bites are occurring. |
It is a myth that Pits lock their jaws. They do not have locking jaws. No dog does. You mentioned tenacious and the desire to fit to the end. THey will hold, but I could teach just about any does to hold. No, no lockingjaws. Some hate the breed, some loe the breed. This debate can go one forever. If I got a pit, it would again be from a reputable breeder, and I would engage the dog is some activity, after he/she was socialized and obdeience trained. They are great at Agility and weight pulling. Also, they make great therapy dogs. They can do damage, but so can a Cocker spaniel and a child. |
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It is working for me :confused: Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to December 22, 2009 |
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If you take a look at the link that I just posted this statement is NOT true when comparing to other dog bites. The link I posted breaks it down by specific breeds of dogs. It says that from 1982 to 2008 there was 1 cocker spaniel that was involved in a maiming and that was of a child. Maiming would consist of serious bodily injury. |
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I don't hate any breed of dog. I just personally believe that because of the irresponsible breeding and ownership associated with certain dangerous breeds of dogs, that some types of rules should be in order to actually protect them. More and more cities are banning pits. Almost every day there is a report of a pit viciously attacking or killing someone. Eventually the breed ban will spred across the nation. What will happen to pits then. Wouldn't it be better to enact rules regarding to breeding and owning them, than to see them banned from almost every area of the country. Which I believe will eventually happen. There are rules about gun ownership, because they are dangerous in the hands of criminal minded humans. Pits are also dangerous due to the actions of humans. Just because I own a gun that has never been used in a murder, does not mean that I think that every thug on the street has the right to own a gun. To WyliesMom, I am not saying that criminals can't be rehabilitated. Trust me, I have a husband that is a Sheriff's Deputy and my father in law is a judge. I KNOW that everyone that has a run in with the law is not a bad person and that every one of them has the potential to change. But I also think that the small fines associated with leash law violations are so minor that MANY people with shady histories aren't going to pay much attention to them. I believe that to protect pits, we need to enact rules that make owning one, more of a hassle to the non law abiders, than it is worth for them to own one. I have a sister that works for the ST. Francis Animal Shelter here in my town. They do rehab pits and I do know that some pits are sweet loving pets. But it only takes one poorly bred, crazy pit to kill someones child. A yorkie, pomeranian, or poodle may bite someone but they are way less likely to kill them. Pits raised by ignorant people have the strongest potential to kill, due to their genetics. Once again, I am not a Pit hater! I just think before breed banning gets out of control, or anymore children die, we as a nation of dog lovers need to come up with a plan to make owners and breeders of pits more responsible. Just my personal opinion. |
Once again proves a Pit can not be trusted. They can kill! I feel so bad for the families of these children. I hate to think that some of our members of YT may go through this with thier "trusting pet". I pray that never happens. |
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:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: I heard about that (OP)case. So, so sad. There is an on-going case here in the ATL area where a young child was attacted by a pit, and had to have part of her arm amputated because of her injuries sustained from the dog bites. The owner of the dog said that her dog was always so gentle...he wouldn't hurt a flea!:mad::mad::mad: 8-year-old attacked by dogs still in critical condition | ajc.com http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/charg...ype=rss_dekalb |
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If you look on the web further you will see that that "report" is not very scientific" or correct due to the fact: "that the "Pit bull" is not a breed, but a "type" that encompasses several registered breeds and crossbreeds. Therefore, statistics that claim "Pit bulls" are responsible for some percentage of attacks are lumping many separate breeds together, then comparing that to other dogs that are counted as individual breeds. Breed identification is left up to victim and witness testimony, and is often wrong. Due to negative press, biting dogs of almost ANY breed have been called "Pit bulls". " It's funny how some yorkie lovers preach about teaching the truth about teacups, tinies..... but have no problem saying and spreading false things about other breeds. :confused: I used to believe this too until I spent many hours researching to learn the truth, I hope others do the same. CDC Stand on Dog Bite Statistics |
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I really wanted to make sure that I was not quoting a Pit Bull hating group when I posted the link that I did so I kept searching last night and found even more information. By no means what I trying to trash the "breed" and felt that the information in that link was informative. What I noted was that it gave a wide range of dogs that were involved in biting incidents, broke it down by breed as well as injury, mauling and even death. If you read the sites at the bottom of the report it give very specific date for instance packs that attacks and the kinds of dogs involved in these attacks. I felt it was responsibly put together and informative but this is only my opinion. The very first sentence of the article says "this table covers only attacks by dogs clearly by breed type or ancestry, as designated by animal control officers or others with evident expertise, who have been kept as pets." What I found interesting was all of the information at the bottom on the article and how the author was NOT in favor of breed specific legislation. I then went to their website this was included at the bottom of the article to see if I could find a witch hunt where I found this statement: ANIMAL•PEOPLE is the leading independent newspaper providing original investigative coverage of animal protection worldwide. Founded in 1992, ANIMAL PEOPLE has no alignment or affiliation with any other entity. Here is the site that I am referring to: ANIMAL PEOPLE I FRONT PAGE From what I can see they seem to be a very legitimate organization involved in all types of Animal Rights and have their monthly newsletters with a wide range of information relating to many different issues. I tried to discredit the link but the more that I read the more that I liked what I saw and even book marked their site to go back and read more of their newsletters relating to animal right and issues. If I missed something that should make me think otherwise please point me in the correct direction. :) |
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Breed identification is left up to victim and witness testimony, and is often wrong. Due to negative press, biting dogs of almost ANY breed have been called "Pit bulls". This statement is hard to believe, really, in any kind of percentage, that is. I am sure a few may have been mistaken but all in all a pit bull is just that, a pit bull and the majority of people know what they look like. Even those dogs that are mixed with this type of dog, they just stand out. No way can a rottie, spaniel, boxer, lab, etc be identified as one. I know lot's of people love them and have them as family members but it remains, they are a dog to be weary of because of the damage they can do. I don't hate any dog, I have two pits as neighbors, I stay away because I fear them. It is what it is. Just from reading about attacks makes you fear them. It's human to have fear from things that can harm you. |
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