Renee', Chattiesmom, Bonnie and the old retired Marine Guy

Very nicely put....

I can only imagine what it must feel like joining a forum and posting your first day. Proudly wanting to share your pups. .......your post shares more information and shoots up red flags all over the place......very overwhelming and intimidating.

No way are Yorkie passionate YT members gonna sit still and keep their fingers quiet.

I think most of us have been toasted.....some only once. Me, I've been toasted for things toally unrelated to a thread subject.....and by some asking for my help......sometimes for things I don't have a clue why?

This is life, this is an open forum and we can't control how we want people to act/post. For every finger pointing at someone, there are 3 pointing at yourself. The only person we have control over is ourselves......And as Michael Jackson sang....If you want to make a change, take a look at yourself.

"If you want to make a change, take a look at yourself."

(Mardelin, that pretty much sums it up!)


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<<and the old retired Marine Guy>>

I read this and almost fell on the floor laughing. My wife thought I hurt myself! But, every one of those four words are true. Just wish I could change one word...OLD. Just an old Former Marine, and now retired. Actually, I do have 2 jobs. Walking the Dogs, and making sure my wife is happy.

And both jobs are of extreme importance. But, if momma's not happy no body is.

That's right!! :thumbup::D

I totally agree!:thumbup:

Me too!!!

So true! :thumbup:

:lol tearsGary tells his friends that he is the boss and I give him permission to say so!!! :lol tears



Sorry that just came to mind??? LOL!

I thought that was cute too - what Mary wrote. My hubby is retired too and I think he is so busy now than when he worked for someone else. It is hard to do everything around the house. So much to get done. Work is never finished. I do not know what I would do without him around and know your wife feels the same. :D

My husband tells everyone the reason we've been married so long is because we agree on everything.....I say something and he agrees with it....

Wow. Wow. Wow. Btw...if I get banned for just wanting people to be nicer to eachother that is totally fine with me! My world will not come to a crashing halt without YT. Some of you seem to be so threatened by what I have brought up! That says a whole bunch about some people. I am not asking you to change your beliefs, standards or honest opinions on things...that is necessary and good for those of us who are new. I just think it can be done without tyraids, accusations, name calling and outright meaness. If you have a problem with that I feel really sorry for you. It's okay if you don't agree with me you have that right. I'm talking to the people who have had those same experiences and do agree with me! This was my experience, it was horrendous and I've just brought it to the attention of whoever wants to listen and be supportive. If that's not you don't continue to read. To post comments accusing me yet again of trying to get attention or making people feel sorry for me is completely lame and unfortunately shines a big spot light on where you are really coming from. No where in here did I play a violin and ask people to feel sorry for me! I don't happen to be insecure, I have a ton of knowledgeable support already but do feel sorry for future people who may come on this site looking for help because they don't have it anywhere else and would experience this. All I'm saying is that if you are confident in that knowledge and your experience you should need to bash people over the head with it and you certainly shouldn't feel threatened by me, a newbie voicing my opinion on this subject. Everything in life can be done and said with class, decorum, civility and kindness...this is not junior high! If saying that gets me "banned" I'm fine with that, maybe enough people have read this that do agree (no matter what you think on that) and people will stop and think how their words sound before they participate in a thread like the other day. If not, I gave it a shot and lost nothing for trying! I would venture to say that if no one got kicked off the other day for being rude I'm not going to get kicked off for trying to make things more positive! In any case completely do not care one way or the other! This was completely worth it to me!

Everyone here has wished you the best of luck. Stay, go, it is up to you. Just get off the box, and start acting as if you want to participate and get along. Sounds to me though that you would be happier on another venue.

Instead of posting off another overly long rant, how abbout starting at the top of the forum and read down, and realize that the vast majority of posts here are information, and very friendly. It will take you months to read oall of them, so you had best get busy now.

BTW, I am not what one would call politically correct, and call it as I see it. Go to your Guru, she will comfort you in this time of stress.

Again, this is one great group of people. Imagine, 60,000 users. That is the equivelant of 3 Marine Corps Divisions, and I guarantee you, not all of them see eye to eye, and are drinking buddies, but we all pull in the same direction when needed.

And I am taking a look at myself! If I stay on YT I will be the first to be positive to welcome some who is new, fresh, non experienced and until they prove that they are here for the wrong reasons I will do my best to make them feel welcome, help if I can and if I can't point them to someone experienced who won't make them feel like an idiot if they state something wrong, make a mistake or have an opinion that may differ from mine! I won't give advice when it's not asked for and I will be kind. I can't change what anyone else chooses to do, I can only say what I will do and hope more people will step up to do the same! Love that song "Man in the Mirror" by Michael Jackson!!

People here are very open to teaching and helping people who are new to the breed, dont know a lot, etc.

However, the issue they have is with people who THINK they know everything.

You have stated that you have the best breeder, that you have and continue to breed your dogs and have a lot of knowledge and experience... so you are not coming across as one of these "fresh, young" people who people feel the need to "gently" educate.

Please let me clarify my observation about you NOT knowing/following/abiding by the rules of this forum and poor, uncivilized and unacceptable behavior IMHO. I was specifically referring to your posting a POLITICAL tone in your post(s). Not only are you telling us that WE need to change but you then turn your opinion up a notch by commenting on a political note in your posting! Yes, I am offended by your rudeness and lack of grace when it comes to MY feelings and political views. Not sure how your post and several of the other posts in this thread have been overlooked by ADMIN, but making posts that are politically motivated are a breach of the YT rules. I'm sorry but you cannot preach about how YOU want to change YorkieTalk while also voicing a political undertone about President Obama and changes in this country. Now you have offended ME! :mad:

I am sure with your vast knowledge and breeding experience, you will provide a wealth of information to the new posters.

As for me, I feel as if I am pi$$ing in the wind, and see no sense if getting you even more emotional. Welcome aboard, and share the knowledge.

I'm not stressed, don't have a guru (whatever the heck that is) and was told by a senior member last night on the phone that proper yorkie talk etiquette is when you start a thread to stay with it, don't leave anything unanswered and try to respond to what people are writing to you! So that's all I was trying to do! If you don't want to see anymore of my comments you can go to a different thread! People have been extremely nice for the most part on this thread today and if YOU read I have thanked them over and over for their comments and for letting me voice my opinion. It seems like your dinged if you do and dinged if you don't here! I'm thrillled with many of the responses today and tons of PM's I've received in support! I am not un happy and plan on staying, getting to work like you said and putting my head down and being the best member of this community that I can be! I know it doesn't look like this based on the first 3 days of me being here but I don't enjoy drama or confrontation, do not plan on making it a habit here or continuing to talk about this past tonight! I just can't stand entitled, mean and rude people when there is no cause for that behavior! And I have personally read every single comment to this thread and tried to the best of my ability to comment back like I was told to do.

Wow!! It must be a tremendous burden to be so perfect.

I have to ask - who here has appeared "threatened"? If anything, we are insulted by you. We love YT the way it is.... we have for years! And you come on here and after a couple of days decide it needs to be changed? Who died and left you in charge?

OMG we get it. Are you done yet? Are you gonna be a part of the REAL YT now or just keep this up?

Enough already
 

why are you keeping on ,like i said im new and have been treated very NICE .You did throw a lot of red flags .But to come on here only after a few days and start drama,,Why? I to like it the way it is .But if i did'nt i would move on. thanks and wonderful night.

Beyond me how someone determines in 3 days that a forum needs to be changed, without knowing who's who.....how the site works....the many countless hours spent helping those in need of help via PMs, e-mails and phone calls in the middle of the night, from one coast to the other.........I for one wouldn't want to see that being changed.....

I have absolutely never said or implied that I know everything in fact it's the exact opposite! I have stated several times today in this thread that I am fairly new to the breed and certainly do not know all there is to know about the breed and am eager to learn! Both my dogs have since been fixed so I also have no idea where you are getting that I have said that I am and will continue to breed them! That was an accident of epic proportions! I am not proud of it and have since remedied the situation! I do think I had the best breeder FOR ME and that I think my dogs are the best, brightest and most beautiful dogs on the planet! But just like saying that about our skin kids I realize I am biased and never said anywhere that anyone else should buy from her! If I was approached by a newbie on where to purchase a yorkie I would direct them to a senior member who knows more about breeders than I do! I want to learn all I can about this breed, I just don't want to be whacked over the head with a yorkie schalaylay stick if I choose to think differently about a subject than someone else! This is America not Iran! We are free to coexist and have differing opinions and still be "drinking buddies" at the end of the
day!!

Geez! I'm just making one mistake after another it seems! I apologize for offending someone who didn't like what they thought were political undertones in my examples! The title "bring change to YT" had nothing to do with the political figure that used the word change! Stinks that now everyone associates the word change with politics! My examples were just an examples and were the best ones I could come up with at the time! I wasn't trying to give a political opinion. Honestly. It won't happen again, I will find another way to express my thoughts with another type of example!

maryeverett1, I'm just going to respond specifically to something you said about sticking with a thread and answering posts. This is definitely good ettiquette when you post to the Sick/Injured forum, or start a thread saying something is wrong with your dog. However, if the thread is an argument and just goes around and around and around... it's okay to stop responding.

I suggest you ask admin to close this thread (only you can do that, unless someone reports a post). At this point, I think everyone's said what they had to say, and I personally think it's getting nasty again.

See you on the boards.

Really a great post and I appreciate your opinions and insights.....

Can I say something ? Saying you want to be 'welcoming' to new people isn't what I'm seeing so far ......I realize you've just been here a couple of days but it's done every single day many times over ....If it were so snobby and rude with all these huge 'ego's - I don't think it would have the number of members it has nor would so many have been here as long as some have ....don't you think ?

You had a rocky start and from what I saw - you were right there with some pretty bold comments to people yourself - why not just let it go ?

Maybe spend a little time looking around before judging a whole site that's been online for years now.....and ps - WELCOME to the site - I never posted before I don't think to you but hopefully this all will be put to rest soon....

Mardelin- I agree! I wouldn't want to see that type of help changed either! All I know is how I was treated and have had countless messages from other people today who have been treated similarly in the past! I know there are amazing people on YT who are extremely helpful and supportive! And you are right, 3 days is not adequate time to know everything there is to know about everything on the site! If anyone is being treated rudely however, and I was personally, that isn't helpful and should be unacceptable to those who love this breed and want to help educate others. I'm not throwing stones in criticism of the entire site and all it's members! Just the ones who were out of line on a new person's very first day on the site! I'm going to do my best to get around the site and get to know people and be a good member. Not trying to be a pot stirrer. Just bringing up what seems to be a simple point is all.

Excellent advice.

You're right this is America and you are entitled to your opinion. But, you are doing exactly what you are accusing others of doing.....

But, you've come to a YT forum of some pretty knowledgable yorkie people (breeders and non-breeders) that are passionate about dogs and what makes a good breeder and what doesn't.