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Mardelin 02-05-2010 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2988898)

Okay then the next step is to see how many of their dogs end up in rescue...Sadly I don't think data is being kept on this...

So sorry about you family member..:eek: that must have driven you up a wall!
I'm sure there are many......since they breed at a high volume and don't track their pups.......

I didn't know that they had purchased a yorkie until way after the fact. I was living in Texas at the time.

The one thing I can say about this particular pet shop, is that the pup did come with a year guarantee against life threatening defects, they had bile acid the pup and all the vaccinations and vet check of new owners preferance, was payed for. And I'm not defending Hunt, but they covered those costs too.

Wylie's Mom 02-05-2010 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2988893)
I agree, I think a lot of good potential rescuers rare turned down. I understand why they are strict but one set of rules does not fit everyone.
This is why rescue groups must be so diligent :), but not inflexible:

"The national average: Only one in ten animals remains with its adoptive family for life. The remaining nine get tossed around through multiple homes, taken to the pound, lost, or worse."

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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2988805)
I think all animals should be required by law to be micro-chipped and a database is maintain for all the chips so when an animal comes into the shelter the dog has its chip read. Then the shelter fines the breeder x amount of $$$ for this dog winding up in a shelter. I would not want the breeder to get the dog back because they could easily kill the animal (so they don't pay hugh fines) instead of finding it a good home.
Okay, THAT is an incredible idea, yes? Passing new laws is so touchy, but this one is very interesting! What are the potential cons? Wait....am I taking this thread off topic :p?

livingdustmops 02-05-2010 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2988942)
This is why rescue groups must be so diligent :), but not inflexible:

"The national average: Only one in ten animals remains with its adoptive family for life. The remaining nine get tossed around through multiple homes, taken to the pound, lost, or worse."

Sad, isn't it....:( Most reputable rescue will never tell all the questions they ask and why they come to the decisions they come to as people have learned how to lie and get rescue dogs for the wrong reason. Just like breeders have learned to make pretty websites and lie on the phone/website to sell dogs.


Okay, THAT is an incredible idea, yes? Passing new laws is so touchy, but this one is very interesting! What are the potential cons? Wait....am I taking this thread off topic :p?
HaHa..yes you are and I just threw this idea out because we all complain but we don't have suggestions...

Maximo 02-05-2010 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 2988783)
I'm also not entirely sure I'd wanna go through the whole puppy stage again after Jackson is finally mellowing out, sleeping a lot more, well behaved, etc.
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As for the cons on rescue, I'd be afraid to get a dog that winds up having behavioral issues that I'm not able to handle.
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I'm rambling but I honestly go back and forth ALL the time between puppy vs. rescue and think I started a thread on it in the past.

I'm pretty sure I will add a second dog in the future but I'm very happy and content right now with just Jackson. I just want to find that PERFECT dog that will totally fit in with us so I'm starting to learn to just not rush into anything. That doesn't stop me from visiting petfinder.com and the Yorkies For Sale section every single day ;) If I find the "right one" I'm hoping I will just know.
I had a lot of the same thoughts as you -- wasn't sure if I wanted to go through the puppy stage again. Our breeder has pups that are going to be ready in seven weeks, but I chose to go with the older boy.

The potential behavioral issues of a rescue -- it would be unfair for me to do that to Maximo or his other caretaker.

I think you will just know when you find the right dog to add to your pack, be it a rescue or other.

livingdustmops 02-05-2010 09:20 AM
Let me just clarify...NOT ALL rescue's have issues of any kind. Some do and some don't...just like puppies...

I have 6 rescue's and 2 of them have issues..the rest are no different then people who bought and raised their puppies...

Maximo 02-05-2010 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2989039)
Let me just clarify...NOT ALL rescue's have issues of any kind. Some do and some don't...just like puppies...

I have 6 rescue's and 2 of them have issues..the rest are no different then people who bought and raised their puppies...
I agree, and my family lucked out with 2 such dogs. The same goes for dogs from pet stores that are probably supplied by puppy mills -- my brother has a perfect cocker spaniel from such circumstances.

However, the risks for behavioral or health issues are fewer with a dog from a really good breeder.

livingdustmops 02-05-2010 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 2989045)
I agree, and my family lucked out with 2 such dogs. The same goes for dogs from pet stores that are probably supplied by puppy mills -- my brother has a perfect cocker spaniel from such circumstances.

However, the risks for behavioral or health issues are fewer with a dog from a really good breeder.
Oh I agree, I just think everyone thinks all rescue's are screwed up when they are not..especially now with so many going into rescue...

Cha Cha 02-05-2010 09:46 AM
I will not adopt from a rescue, period. I do however, scan local papers "free pets" for people who take in pets without doing their research and are for what ever reason, giving them away or rehoming them. I am very selective and I take them in for free, no adoption fee. Give them some basic obedience and house training, or focus on where thier problem was, and then I rehome them all for free to a home more suited for the pet. I have found great joy in doing this and I have provided some very nice, well trained dogs to people, for free. I don't want to argue with anyone over my experience or opinion on rescues so I will leave that part out. I feel I have found a suitable way to help and give back and it works for me.

Nancy1999 02-05-2010 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2988805)
I hope I can explain ....:confused:

I think all animals should be required by law to be micro-chipped and a database is maintain for all the chips so when an animal comes into the shelter the dog has its chip read. Then the shelter fines the breeder x amount of $$$ for this dog winding up in a shelter. I would not want the breeder to get the dog back because they could easily kill the animal (so they don't pay hugh fines) instead of finding it a good home.

While I know this is tough, breeders have been getting us the taxpayers, rescue's etc to clean up their mess after they have made the profit off of the dogs. Also we have got to slow down the amount of animals breed every year. Millions of pets are euthanized because of profits from a greeder just pumping out dogs and could care less what home they go in.

If someone else has any idea's I would love to hear them.
I love this idea so much. Right now so much propaganda is out there concerning microchiping. I know it's because certain groups do not want microchips to be accepted. Tattoos, which have been used in the past, never had a national database and were easy to alter, so dogs could not be tracked back to original breeders. It bothers me so much that millions of dogs are being put to sleep each year, I really never thought about the "money it's costing tax payers" but that is exactly the way we need to approach it to get lawmakers and the general public to do something.


I can't even imagine small breeders being against it, but I know large breeders, will fight this, it would cut down on their profits substantially.

Maximo 02-05-2010 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2989109)
It bothers me so much that millions of dogs are being put to sleep each year, I really never thought about the "money it's costing tax payers" but that is exactly the way we need to approach it to get lawmakers and the general public to do something.
Although I like the ideas proposed in several posts, keep in mind the cost of the administration to oversee programs and enforce laws and regulations. The cynic in me also worries that unscrupulous breeders would find their way around the system, while small hobby breeders would suffer or quit because it wouldn't be worth the risk.

Nancy1999 02-05-2010 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Maximo (Post 2989131)
Although I like the ideas proposed in several posts, keep in mind the cost of the administration to oversee programs and enforce laws and regulations. The cynic in me also worries that unscrupulous breeders would find their way around the system, while small hobby breeders would suffer or quit because it wouldn't be worth the risk.
If a small breeder thought that was going to be a huge risk, they should quit breeding. Honestly, they should select homes carefully, and maybe do some health testing. We need to find a way to stop killing millions of dogs. I know people say it's wrong to "cull" puppies, but that's what we are really doing with dogs, breeding them haphazardly, and killing all the ones that aren't healthy or cute enough. This just seems so wrong to me.

bchgirl 02-05-2010 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2987135)
Another sad statistic:

"The national average: Only one in ten animals remains with its adoptive family for life. The remaining nine get tossed around through multiple homes, taken to the pound, lost, or worse."

:(:(:(

This is also why it's important to support Rescues who truly make an effort to *match* the right animal, to the right home!
That statistic is largely in part the majority of animals given up are due to behavorial issues. Dogs do not just become great pets by themselves...they have to be trained.

Other times people don't see beyond....the cute puppy.

livingdustmops 02-05-2010 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2989109)
I love this idea so much. Right now so much propaganda is out there concerning microchiping. I know it's because certain groups do not want microchips to be accepted. Tattoos, which have been used in the past, never had a national database and were easy to alter, so dogs could not be tracked back to original breeders. It bothers me so much that millions of dogs are being put to sleep each year, I really never thought about the "money it's costing tax payers" but that is exactly the way we need to approach it to get lawmakers and the general public to do something.


I can't even imagine small breeders being against it, but I know large breeders, will fight this, it would cut down on their profits substantially.
I remember when the light bulb went off in my head about my taxes supporting the shelters and I was also doing rescue in AZ at the time and said this is wrong. I have been saying this on YT for 3 or 4 years (obviously not as loud as I should or you would have seen it..haha) I also know you cannot always approach everything emotionally about these issues...some people don't care but if you tell them you are hitting their pocketbook then maybe they will start to see the issue...

livingdustmops 02-05-2010 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2989143)
If a small breeder thought that was going to be a huge risk, they should quit breeding. Honestly, they should select homes carefully, and maybe do some health testing. We need to find a way to stop killing millions of dogs. I know people say it's wrong to "cull" puppies, but that's what we are really doing with dogs, breeding them haphazardly, and killing all the ones that aren't healthy or cute enough. This just seems so wrong to me.
I agree and a good breeder will always take the dogs back NO MATTER what...they treat them as living creatures and not just as a product with a limited warranty.

livingdustmops 02-05-2010 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2989164)
That statistic is largely in part the majority of animals given up are due to behavorial issues. Dogs do not just become great pets by themselves...they have to be trained.

Other times people don't see beyond....the cute puppy.
I have never seen statistics that say the majority are given up because of behavorial...while it might be true, in my case, when I was doing rescue it was not always the case. The only issue I have is the majority of people who are giving up the dogs LIE. They really don't care what becomes of the dog so they say all sorts of things...sad.


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