Originally Posted by jp4m2 (Post 2853947)

My post was directly related to Tamiflu, I don't believe any other antiviral was associated with this problem.....I'm sorry if that is what it looked like......Just trying to be helpful as to avoid any bad reactions......I wish someone had done the same for me when my father was ill......

I will agree that every drug has it's good and bad but having said that today many drugs that come out on the market are just not safe.....106, 000 people die every year, not from prescription abuse, but from taking the drugs correctly. This figure is more than likely much high than this because of gross under reporting.....In just the past ten years a dozen drugs have been removed from the market....

frontline: dangerous prescription: a dirty dozen | PBS

.....these drugs caused many deaths and serious injuries. I'm sure many of the people taking them thought of them as safe drugs.....If you where to look up "pharmaceuticals and FDA connection" you would be shocked at the process of drug approval, how clinical trials are done, fudged statistics, employees from the FDA having financial ties to drug companies, and how drugs are not pulled from the market when problems start to occur.....

For me looking into this subject has been quite surprising and also very, frightening and disturbing......The more I kept reading that old saying kept coming to my mind..... " Don't believe everything you think." ...and I certainly don't anymore.....

Wishing you well and stay healthy.....

Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2854026)

You are correct about the FDA....scary stuff goes on. Nothing shocks me anymore. :(

I was the recipient of a product that was used in one of my surgeries that left me with permanent neurological damage....it was rushed through the FDA approval and then taken off the market after many people like me were left with problems. The head of the company was nailed with insider trading charges and bankruptcy was filed.

I only found out about it by chance a few years later. At the time when I kept complaining about the problems I was having, I was made to believe I was imagining it...at least that is how I felt. Funny thing is that they KNEW about it because it was recalled, but no one informed me. I found out years later. So...no...not shocked at all.

Originally Posted by jp4m2 (Post 2850470)

I absolutely will not get the shot and no one in my family will either, that includes ALL flu shots....... I haven't had a flu shot in three decades I remember having the I had the flu twice......
I've been reading about flu shots for the last few weeks and from all the info out I've read I have to say there are a multitude of reasons of why I would not get one........

One of the reasons I will not get one is because the studies say they typically don't work........These are from just a couple of sources stating this....

This is quote is from The Cochrane Report,(which is is a group of over 10,000 volunteers in more than 90 countries who review the effects of health care interventions tested in biomedical randomized controlled trials. )

In 2005, the Cochrane Collaboration reviewed studies that involved nearly 500,000 people and concluded that the vaccine was "no better than placebo" in all three age groups for which the shot is advocated: babies, middle aged adults and the elderly.


also....

In October 2008, the Archives of Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine reported that vaccinating young children against the flu had no impact on flu-related hospitalizations or doctor visits during two recent flu seasons. The researchers concluded that significant influenza vaccine effectiveness could not be demonstrated for any season, age, or setting.

This is quote is from the former FDA chief.....

The National Institutes of Health researchers, basing their findings on more than 30 years of U.S. flu-shot data, announced that giving flu shots to the elderly has not saved any lives. "There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them, anyway," according to Dr. J. Anthony Morris, formerly chief vaccine control officer at the FDA.

Another reason I won't get a flu shot is because the death rate from the flu shot is much, much lower than the CDC is trying to make people believe...It is no where near the 36,000 they are stating.........

The CDC and media often cite the statistic that there are nearly 36,000 influenza deaths annually. However, upon closer inspection of data from the National Center for Health Statistics of the CDC, this is a misleading figure. For example, the report of preliminary statistics of death in 2002 shows that only 753 cases of influenza-related deaths were reported compared with 65,231 cases of pneumonia-related deaths. When the CDC compiled the final data, influenza and pneumonia cases are combined, yielding a misleading representation of reported influenza cases. Therefore, pneumonia deaths related to factors such as immunosuppression therapy, AIDS, malnutrition and a variety of other predisposing medical conditions are combined with seasonal influenza statistics. The constant broadcast of “36,000 annual influenza deaths” is misleading and unethical by its apparent intended use of fear to promote vaccination.


Here's where the numbers come from: The health department and the CDC start by looking at the average number of pneumonia deaths during a given period of time. If the flu is present at that time, the marked increases in the number of pneumonia deaths are noted. All deaths that exceed the initial average number of pneumonia deaths are classified under the flu.

Year // US Influenza Fatalities

1979 -- 604
1981 -- 3006
1983 -- 1431
1985 -- 2054
1987 -- 632
1989 -- 1593
1991 -- 1137
1993 -- 1044
1995 -- 606
1996 -- 745
1997 -- 720
1998 -- 1724
1999 -- 1665
2000 -- 1765
2001 -- 257

TOTAL -- 18,983
AVERAGE -- 1,266



There where a couple of years when the virus in the vaccine was guessed wrong so when the vaccine was distributed is was essentially worthless for those years. You would expect the death rate to rise dramatically in those years since no one had received an effective vaccine but they did not they stayed close to normal.......This is the quote......

Flu "experts" often guess wrong. For example, in 1994 they predicted that Shangdong, Texas, and Panama strains would be prevalent that year, thus millions of people were vaccinated with a flu shot that contained these viruses. However, when winter arrived, the Johannesburg and Beijing strains of influenza circulated through society. The vaccine was ineffective. This happened again in 1996, and again in 1997. More recently, the vaccine created for the 2003-2004 flu season contained flu strains that did not circulate through society that year. Officials were once again forced to admit that millions of people were vaccinated with an ineffective vaccine. Yet, flu fatalities did not increase during these years. For example, in 1996, 857 people died from the flu; in 1997, 745 people died from the flu -- typical annual numbers.

In 2004, flu vaccine manufacturers were unable to produce enough flu shots to accommodate everyone who wanted a flu vaccine. (Several batches were contaminated and had to be destroyed.) Thus, only half of the population that is normally vaccinated against influenza (approximately 45 million people versus 90 million during an average year) received the vaccine. If influenza is truly a deadly disease, as officials claim, the 2004-2005 flu season should be catastrophic. If, as the CDC claims, 36,000 people die every year from the flu when 90 million people are vaccinated against the disease, how many more will die when only 45 million people are "protected?


Then there's the toxic chemicals in the vaccines......I don't understand how it's worse to get the flu than to inject toxic chemicals in your body that are going to accumulate in the brain and cause problems years down the road. The trade off just doesn't make sense.....

Many people who take the flu vaccine do not experience any noticeable short term side effects. However, a number of short term side effects have been reported which include muscle pain, respiratory tract infections, eye problems, abnormal blood pressure, asthma, hives and gastrointestinal problems. The more subtle, long term effects, affect everyone. According to renowned immunogeneticist Hugh Fudenberg, people who have had five flu shots over a ten year period, have increase their risk of getting Alzheimer's disease ten times. The reason being that the flu vaccine contains aluminum and mercury. As these heavy metals gradually build up in the brain they cause difficulty in multitasking, trouble with arithmetic, difficulty with thinking and language skills and memory loss. As a result of flu vaccinations the cases of Alzheimer's is expected to quadruple. Another toxic ingredient found in the flu vaccine is formaldehyde, which is known to cause cancer.

Flu vaccines can also contain a number of chemical toxins, including ethylene glycol (antifreeze), formaldehyde, phenol (carbolic acid) and even antibiotics like Neomycin and streptomycin.

In addition to the viruses and other additives, many vaccines also contain immune adjuvants like aluminum and squalene....This is a quote about the dangers of squalene.....

According to Dr. Viera Scheibner, Ph.D., a retired principle research scientist for the government of Australia:

“… this adjuvant [squalene] contributed to the cascade of reactions called "Gulf War Syndrome," documented in the soldiers involved in the Gulf War.

The symptoms they developed included arthritis, fibromyalgia, lymphadenopathy, rashes, photosensitive rashes, malar rashes, chronic fatigue, chronic headaches, abnormal body hair loss, non-healing skin lesions, aphthous ulcers, dizziness, weakness, memory loss, seizures, mood changes, neuropsychiatric problems, anti-thyroid effects, anaemia, elevated ESR (erythrocyte sedimentation rate), systemic lupus erythematosus, multiple sclerosis, ALS (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis), Raynaud’s phenomenon, Sjorgren’s syndrome, chronic diarrhoea, night sweats and low-grade fevers.”[xii]

If anyone cares to do some reading these are helpful links....

National Vaccine Information Center ? Vaccine Watch Dog

Vaccination Liberation Information

Search Center - Search.mercola.com

Does the Vaccine Matter? - The Atlantic (November 2009)

Originally Posted by jp4m2 (Post 2854314)

Wow girl, that gave me goose bumps just reading that!.....That had to be so frightening, and to think it didn't have to happen...I really hope your doing better in spite of this terrible, terrible injustice done to you and the many others.....Sad to say these sort of things are common place now......It just infuriates me at times.......:(

This is the very thing I was finding in my reading.....It appears the FDA was doing what it was supposed to do, looking out for the public's best interest, but sometime in the early nineties some changes occurred within the FDA and it has never been the same. Now when I hear a drug is FDA approved that claim no longer gives me a sense of security anymore......

Well, if we all wash our hands and get plenty of vitamin D we just might not need to resort to medications......;)

Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 2850284)

I am not sure how it works in the US but right now in canada they are only vaccinating children, pregnant women, and the elderly. I am none of those however, they say by November it will be available to all.

Will you be getting it? Why or why not?

I don't think I'll be getting it- for a few reasons. It is a very new vaccine and was produced rather quickly- I just haven't seen enough studies done on it. I tend to react to vaccines and I don't really need that again. I don't usually get the regular flu vaccine as my doctor says I don't need it and I'm sure she would say the same about this one. I just plan to use an alcohol based hand sanitizer and wash my hands frequently.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2853625)

I will not be getting the flu shot. I have an auto immune disease, guillian barre, that is triggered by flu antibodies.

I just have to take my chance. but I am a hand washing fanatic and have not had the flu in years. Those sanitizing wipes at the grocery store are wonderful.

Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2855852)

I have never had a flu shot and I don't intend to start now. I think we are being fed a lot of misinformation, this helps explain what is really going on:

Obama Declares Swine Flu Emergency

Originally Posted by JadedSmilez (Post 2860058)

Well, at 1st I wasn't going to get it but after losing a friend who was 31 to this, having an uncle very close to death because of this and seeing numerous patients of mine DIE because of this....

I changed my mind and got one and my hubby got his.

I have seen healthy young people (20's-40's mostly) get so sick and either die or become so close its scary. I work in the ICU and have seen this go from shortness of breath to ARDS to multi-organ failure and then death in a matter of days to weeks in otherwise HEALTHY people. It scares me to see that you guys are not even given the real truth in what I see with my own eyes. The govt and even medical DRs do not know what to do! This is just the iceberg people, its going to get much worse.
But please, don't take my word for it...read and research and do what is best for you, whether its taking the shot or not or doing whatever.....