Government Conspiracy?????
 

So a lady I know, she thinks the swine flu is a government invented disease created to kill off the population. And, she thinks that the vaccine for H1N1 has a chip in it for the government to track us.

Is this like a widespread idea or is this lady a little off:rolleyes:
Maybe she is schitzo (sp?), it sounds kinda paranoid. But I have no idea, maybe a lot of poeple are thinking that???? Just wondering what ya'll think!

Personally I just think that the H1N1 flu scare is overblown to distract people from the real issues. Flu kills lots of people every year and there are always new strains. I have never had a flu shot and it has been over 20 years since I had the flu. I don't believe for a minute that the government is microchipping people. Flu shots are big money for the pharmaceutical companies just like dog vaccinations are. They will push these shots just to make a buck. I have read that some research shows that yearly flu shots can increase ones chances of getting alzheimer's disease.

IF THEY KILL US ALL OFF- WHO IS THERE TO PAY TAXES!!!! lol!

i THINK NOT!!
i DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE LADY??????

Hmmmmmm, sounds wacko to me, maybe she's been watching too many movies & smokin da ___.:D

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Not just Alzheimer's, but the flu vaccines are also linked to lympoma's, and autoimmune diseases's. If you ask the average American if they knew that fordmaldehyde, mercury trace and preservative polysorbate 80, linked to not only infertility but anaphylaxis shock, were the ingredients in the average flu vaccine, they would think you were lying. Unfortunately for them, it is fact. Just did a Pathophysiology discussion on it.
Look for yourself, scary? I think..............

"trivalent influenza virus, types A&B, gentamicin sulphate, formaldehyde, thimerosal, and polysorbate 80 (Tween-80) chick embryonic fluid, Havrix."

So true, and it is not just flu vaccines. It scares me the amount of vaccinations they are forcing on children these days. I have a grandson that is 8 years old who is borderline autistic and I wonder if was caused by all the vaccinations he got as a baby. Of course it can never be proven.

On the news the other day there was a vet that was pushing a flu vaccination for dogs.:eek:

I saw an article in one of the medical journals online about that as well. Americans just seem to accept medical authoritarian decisions without question. If it is encouraged by the medical politico at hand , then it is gospel and never researched. The actual number of people who die because of flu complications is actually quite small. However, people do not research the CDC statements. As for me, I never have gotten a flu shot, and never will. At least not until they start taking out all these so called "adjuvants" that are added.
And needless to say, my pups will not be getting them either!:rolleyes:

I can tell you that insurance companies don't waste money on needless medicines, it hard to get them to pay for even necessary treatment, however, they believe in the vaccine so much most are willing to pay for the total cost of the shot, they understand that the cost to treat the flu and secondary infections resulting from it can be very expensive. Employers also are willing to pay for the cost of the shot because it has been proven to save them money with employees needing less sick days. I'm willing to pay for the cost of the shot because it is much much less than what I would have to pay for all the cough and cold medicines needed to treat the flu. Perhaps, if you're young and healthy, you can avoid the flu shot, but for me, it's been a real lifesaver. I consider myself, fairly healthy, but not so young, and I started getting the flu shot every year a few years back. For me, getting the flu does not just mean a few weeks of misery; it often turns into bronchitis and pneumonia. I also use to get it at the very worst times, around Thanksgiving or Christmas, and nothing can spoil a Holliday, like the flu. I can now look forward to holidays, and know I won't be sick, with the flu anyways. All you have to do is look at third world countries, and you will understand that our immunization programs are doing much much more good than harm. There will always be alarmists and government conspiracy theorists, and hopefully enough people can sort out truth from wild theories. Everything you do has some effect, but one great side effect of getting the flu shot is not getting the flu!

Vaccinations have been given not only in this country, but also in third world nations that have killed thousands. Trial vaccinations such as the Kaiser Permanent one in 1989-1991, in which minority children both here in the US, and in third world countries were injected with a experimental vaccine which was associated with death and diseases. Or the polio vaccine that was given to thousands in the 1950's and 60's which is now attributed to rare cancer formations in that population. Or perhaps the 1976 swine flu vaccination that killed over 300, not due to flu symptoms, but due to the Guillan-Barre Syndrome that was inflicted because of the vaccine. There are hundreds of other vaccination disasters that have occurred. The biggest misconception that most persons, not in the medical field maintain is that by getting the flu shot, they will not get the flu.
Just because you get the flu shot, does not mean that you are NOT going to get the flu. At any one point there are several different strains of one flu going around. The vaccination that you get, does not cover all these differing strains. It is not designed that way. The truth is a out there,for anyone willing to search for it, however, so are those people spreading wild theories without facts.

I was around in the 50's and I knew people that got polio, this was a very scary time, kids you played with were dying. I don't think you have any idea what that's like or how many lives it saved because of it. Those who were lucky enough to survive the illness were severely affected and crippled. This changed many lives and I was so happy to be able to protect my own children from this devastating disease. I understand that there are many strains of the flu, and the shot they give you is what scientists think will be the most common strain. Certain diseases are more deadly because the virus mutilates so rapidly that none of the population can be protected against them, and just the sheer number of people who can't work even though they aren't dying, puts a tremendous strain on everything and our health care system.

No I was not around in the 50's, and no, I did not see my childhood friends die of that. However, I have seen death up close and personal on too many occasions. As for our health care system being strained, I think that it is beyond strained, it is limping to its death. There is no one benefiting from our health insurance industry except the CEO's making millions: not the physicians who get paid a minimum monthly payment for taking care of sickly patients who cannot afford their monthly insurance payments much less the co-pays for their meds. Or the parents of disabled children whose insurance payments are so exorbitant that they must decide between health payments or necessities like food, that is if they can even get private insurance.
As for vaccinations; is the principle behind them a valid one? Yes, however, do not believe for one moment that the conglomerate pharmaceutical companies are not making a mint on them; and if you cannot believe me, believe the CDC when they say that there are chemicals included that could effect your future health.
Now whether that is an acceptable trade off for quality health now, is only a query that can be answered by you.

The sad part is the majority of Americans refuse to believe that their gov't would ever do anything to harm its people... check out infowars.com... its a good starting point.

You couldn't pay me enough to take the vaccination!

We have seen alot of the h1n1 here in GA. My two children have had the flu shot but I am declining the H1N1 due to just not knowing what side effects may occur. We are going to weather that storm with lots of hand washing and sanitizers. I would say that your friend with the chip idea is a a little paranoid.

That is the sad point............ you are right.:(
Thanks for the link.

Very well said ~ we are definitely on the same page!

Me too Nancy, Polio was very scary. We got the vaccine at school.

I heard the same story about Aids, that it is a goverment conspiracy. I dont believe it. Just like I dont believe the end of the world predictions.

I think your friend is a little off her rocker. My dad and children have gotten the flu shot every year for as long as I can remember. My Hubby and I haven't b/c sometimes there's a shortage and we can't but the children and elderly are first to get it.

I had a co-worker that thought the Gov't was tracking us through the fillings in our teeth too!
I think people have strong feelings one way or another regarding vaccines!
Personally, I feel there are risks in getting them and obviously risks in not getting them!
I had a horrible, horrible case of the flu about 14 years ago and ended up in the hospital. I thought I was going to die, it was awful! I do choose to get the flu shot. I won't be getting the H1N1 vaccine this year however, I'm not in the high risk category and I do feel it's too new.
I think people should educate themselves on the pros and cons of all vaccines they are considering. They should talk with medical professionals and make an informed decision on what is best for them!

Here is an excellent read on the whole "immunity" given by our lawmakers to the big Pharmo's producing the H1N1. Not only that, but explain to me please, how did Baxter Pharmacology apply for a patent of the H1N1 virus in August 2007, when the first diagnosed case was not until April 2009?

Current Concerns

Recent genetic analysis has revealed that three-quarters, or six out of the eight genetic segments of the 2009 flu pandemic strain arose from the North American swine flu strains circulating since 1998, when a new strain was first identified on a factory farm in North Carolina, and which was the first-ever reported triple-hybrid flu virus. WebCite query result

Did you know that 50 to 100 million people were killed worldwide in the 1918 swine flu epidemic; we had no immunization at that time. 1918 Influenza Pandemic | CDC EID

I usually try to hold myself back from buying into conspiracy theories. Although I don't believe for a minute the government is trying to thin the population, I do have some serious qualms about some of the things I have read about Baxter, the H1N1 vaccine and pandemic timing, and the recent immunity given to vaccine manufacturers for any lawsuits arising from deaths or ill effects of vaccines that are being rushed to the public without the normal testing. (Here is one of many istes with the same sort of questions: http://ahrcanum.wordpress.com/2009/0...e-patent-h1n1/)

Back in the 1970's when I was in the Navy we were used as test subject for a Swine Flu vaccine. They mistakenly gave a bunch of us both the Swine Flue A and B versions at the same time, one in each arm. Several of us wound up in the hospital in the middle of the night with what seemed to be a VERY bad case of the flu -- an event they now say is impossible. I have avoided the flu shots like the plaque ever since and will skip the H1N1 if there winds up being enough for everyone anyway.

I don't know enough to have a firm opinion about the vaccine being patented before the pandemic and the possibility of Baxter being responsible for the pandemic itself or the safety of a virtually untested vaccine, but there are too many questions in my mind! I want to beleive the government agencies responsible are on top of safety issues and have thoroughly researched the timing question......but too often I have gotten egg on my face for blind support of government. So, I will just stay unconvinced either way, for now.

Per your articles:
" there are many opportunities for animals to be infected by several strains of pathogens, leading to increased chance for a strain to emerge that can infect and spread in humans."[37]

"The fact that one of the first confirmed human cases of swine flu appeared in close proximity to the largest pig factory in Mexico, which slaughters nearly a million pigs a year"

" The flu strains circulating since 1998" as you state, are strains affecting pigs, not humans. Yes, the triple hybrid is a combination of human, swine and bird viral agents, that has its "host range" in pigs. Yes, there are such commonalities in physiology between pigs and humans that infectious agents in them cause researchers to be diligent. However, per your article and mine, the first documented mutational species-jump of this particular strain to humans was not until 2009.
In order to not only actualize a vaccine, but to patent it you must have the genomes of several species-related infectious agents. You cannot just evaluate viral pig agents to make a human vaccine, the microbiology of the event is not that elementary. So my query as to how they not only patented, but created their vaccine in 2007, two full years before the first documented Human case of this strain; is valid. Where did the human species infectious agents appear from?

As for the 1918 pandemic; yes people died. Would it have helped if they had a Quality produced vaccine with no mercury, formaldehyde, squalene, and preservatives in it? Yes I think most definitely. However, vaccines being produced in this time are currently carrying not only these but adjuvants that magnify the potency of the vaccine, ten-fold. The effects of this on our immune-system have been documented by numerous physicians and medical universities.
Am I against vaccines as a whole?
No.
However , when they include these additives, and especially when the makers of them have been given Full Immunity from any legal action in consideration of medical malpractice, oh hell ya, I'm against them!

There were no antibiotics in 1918. Most deaths were due to complications of the flu (i.e., pneumonia), which we now have antibiotics for.

:thumbup::thumbup: Excellent post. Thank you for sharing your story. Being in the medical arena, I have seen and read too many stories like yours. I find myself wanting to believe as you, that agencies are responsible. However, far too often I have been disappointed.

So.........I stand here questioning

Not only in close proximity to the pig factory but also a certain pharaceutical manufacturing plant!
" Keep in mind- Just 50 miles from the H1N1 ground zero outbreak in Mexico City, lies Baxter’s manufacturing plant in Cuernavaca, Mexico. " Baxter Pharmaceutical Plant in Mexico- Ground Zero for Flu Outbreak Ahrcanum "ahR-Kah-noom" > secret secrets Baxter Vaccine Patent for H1N1, Two Years Before Pandemic Ahrcanum "ahR-Kah-noom" > secret secrets

And I said I was not going to go for a conspiracy theory :rolleyes:...... it is hard not to have questions though. I guess it is all those movies about some drug company letting a virus get out and then trying to keep it all hush-hush as the star of the show has to not only fight the virus/flesh eating bacteria/humanoid or cannibal-transforming formula .... but also prove the drug company or the goverment official is to blame. :eek:

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Lol, U R too funny!
I am Legend comes to mind............

I don't believe it's a government conspiracy at all. We are all free to make our choice whether we want it or not and that pertains to our children also.
I always get my flu shot. The only time I didn't ,I got the flu and was miserable for weeks . I had me 3 kids and my husband to take care of. I almost stuck my husband's "Calling Bell" up where the sun don't shine :crazy:
It's terrible to have the flu and have to take care of others. I would rather take any vaccination risk associated with the flu shot then not get it.
Everything has risks to it, it's our choice whether to do it or not.. JMO :D

my house is divided on the subject. I get the flu shot. I worked in a hospital and I know that the vaccine covers something like 15 strains and I could get strain 16, but I won't get it as bad. I've had a bad flu and thought I was going to die. Missed a week of work. I won't get the swine flu shot however, I think one flu shot it enough. In 1972, my grandma got the flu, then pneumonia and died.
My DH refuses to get the flu shot. He doesn't get sick, and hasn't had the flu. :rolleyes: Donna