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AprilLove 05-19-2009 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Pruett (Post 2629190)
Thank you Wylie's mom, it's the same people as usual trying to get the thread closed when things don't go the way they want.

I'm getting sick to death of hearing Diana and so many others saying that we did this for AKC acceptance and we did that for AKC acceptance. Who in the BTCA ever said we changed the name, tested our dogs, or did anything else for AKC acceptance? On the contrary, I know of two other clubs that have posted just such a thing. Get your facts straight when referring to the BTCA please.

You seem to be missing the key words and those are MAY BE! I can point out a lot of what they say as fact and one of the things they say are that their tests are 90% accurate. You have to read everything, not just a few words to understand what is being said.

Once again, we did not set out to prove the Biewer Terrier was a purebred. Being there has never been a breed signature developed for the breed, that would be impossible. What we set out to prove, was that the Biewer Terrier was not a Yorkshire Terrier and we did exactally that.

Now you can continue to cause trouble for the breed you say you love or you can help develop it. A lot of the people claiming to love this breed have no more concern for a healthy foundation than the man in the moon and it's quite evident who those people are.

The majority of the BTCA is made up of VERY EXPERIENCED breeders, not first time breeders or pet owners. We know what it takes to better a breed and understanding the heritage of the breed is among many of the things it takes.
Oh I could not agree more! It is very evident. He who pounds his chest (or hers) the hardest, yells the loudest, and protests the loudest, and says "I" the loudest......
Thank you for making that clear for all of us :)


ps, just wondering, how many breeds have you all "bettered" ?

Delightyorkies 05-19-2009 03:31 PM
[quote=tatertot;2629223]
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Originally Posted by Delightyorkies (Post 2629191)

Wow I can not add. My mistake I believe that it was interpeted that way to me.. Not sure by whom but I do admit I am bad at the math.. Excuse me I"ll just pulled out his paperwork
Quote: "Significant Amount of Yorkshire Terrier, Trace Amount Pekingese and Shih Tzu"( switched the U and Z OOPPPSS)
By the way his ears are just fine thank you they are up.. Thank you pointing out my poor math skills and spelling errors..
Now my other boy You'll really love too. He is out of Cooper.. Nice small erect ears!
I took Coopers Father instandly out of my breeding program, after I recieved the test results and never bred him again.Good luck with that one.

Obie 05-19-2009 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by AprilLove (Post 2629221)
Why do it privately if you are "here to "educate" Most who are blessed with the profession of educating are accredited in their area of "expertise"
The dogs you are testing are yours, your club. So what you come up with will be what you come up with based on the testing of your dogs.
Please do not be offended and contiuously on the offensive when someone disagrees or has a different opinion on studies than you do.
This is after all, about discussion, not who is qualified to "educate" the public.

It is about educating the public April Love. It will always be. You should know, if you have been a member for so long on YorkieTalk, look at how many new breeders and members you are trying to educate. I am constantly on the breeders thread and it amazes me how so many need to be eduated. It is all about education. Never forget that because we are all learning, and continue to learn. Me too. :)

Pruett 05-19-2009 03:35 PM
Anyone that knows anything about Yorkies can look at this breed and know that it is not a Yorkie. It really didn't take a test to prove that, and for those that can't see it, really have no business breeding Biewers. For those that keep saying that it originated from 2 Yorkies doesn't mean a thing. Everything originated from something and was further developed from there.

Mrs. Biewer told us the breeders that were using other breeds to make the Biewer because her husband was very selective in who he dealt with. The Breed was being mixed even when Mr. Biewer was alive. It has been proven many times since 2004 who the breeders were that were falsifying pedigrees and who was using other breeds.

People need to grow up and accept the fact that their pedigree's don't mean much and this not a Yorkshire Terrier. What we develop in America is what the Biewer is going to be. You can either be a part of it, or you can continue to try and destroy everything we are working for.

I have always been the first to admit that I have a lot to learn, especially with this breed. If it had been a Yorkie, it would have been easy.

Pruett 05-19-2009 03:36 PM
How long have you been breeding MaryKay and what is your breed?

Obie 05-19-2009 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AprilLove (Post 2629243)
Oh I could not agree more! It is very evident. He who pounds his chest (or hers) the hardest, yells the loudest, and protests the loudest, and says "I" the loudest......
Thank you for making that clear for all of us :)


ps, just wondering, how many breeds have you all "bettered" ?

AprilLove, I have pulled many of my Biewers out of my breeding program and my Yorkshire terriers. I show both my Yorkshire Terriers and my Biewers in the ring. I think that counts for bettering the breed, don't you?

phfgkl 05-19-2009 03:45 PM
Why is it that the BTCA seems to be the only Club that seems to want to better this breed? Why even breed if you don't want to better the breed and see them get accepted by AKC?

tatertot 05-19-2009 03:49 PM
[quote=Delightyorkies;2629244]
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Originally Posted by tatertot (Post 2629223)

I took Coopers Father instandly out of my breeding program, after I recieved the test results and never bred him again.Good luck with that one.

Oh really why? May I know?? P/M if you would like. I would really like to know because I'm unaware of anything.. He is just so perfect..Thank you..

GreenwoodBiewer 05-19-2009 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2629264)
Why is it that the BTCA seems to be the only Club that seems to want to better this breed? Why even breed if you don't want to better the breed and see them get accepted by AKC?
Why would you make this comment? There are two other clubs that I know of (I believe there is another that I don't know any of the members of ) that have very caring, devoted breeders who's focus in life is to do nothing more than see that the Biewers can become all they can be. Granted, there are people out there, as in any other breed, breeding for other reasons.. but to think that the BTCA has the corner on people who care deeply about the Biewers development is just wrong. They may just have a quieter, gentler approach.

-Diana :animal-pa

tatertot 05-19-2009 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2629264)
Why is it that the BTCA seems to be the only Club that seems to want to better this breed? Why even breed if you don't want to better the breed and see them get accepted by AKC?
I don't think it's fair to say that the BTCA are the only ones that want to better the breed. I think everyone wants to better their breed but everyone has different ways of doing it. There are many different reason why people breed the way they do. How many Breeders here have reproduced that perfect pup out of show parents?? I know it's happen but not often even in the more established breeds. Just because they have a perfect pedigree or perfect makings or perfect ears doesn't not mean you will reproduce it. I really believe that all here are interested in bettering the breed or there wouldn't be such heat discussion filled with so much passion.. IMHO

AprilLove 05-19-2009 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Obie (Post 2629247)
It is about educating the public April Love. It will always be. You should know, if you have been a member for so long on YorkieTalk, look at how many new breeders and members you are trying to educate. I am constantly on the breeders thread and it amazes me how so many need to be eduated. It is all about education. Never forget that because we are all learning, and continue to learn. Me too. :)

Learning is all about gathering information and forming an opinion. I have never claimed to be educating people by standing on a high horse :). Rather, I offer opinions based on what I have experienced, whether it is correct for all is for each to determine, and never do I insult or attempt to degrade someone or their dogs or family members for having a different opinion or for disagreeing with my methods or opinions.

phfgkl 05-19-2009 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 2629278)
Why would you make this comment? There are two other clubs that I know of (I believe there is another that I don't know any of the members of ) that have very caring, devoted breeders who's focus in life is to do nothing more than see that the Biewers can become all they can be. Granted, there are people out there, as in any other breed, breeding for other reasons.. but to think that the BTCA has the corner on people who care deeply about the Biewers development is just wrong. They may just have a quieter, gentler approach.

-Diana :animal-pa
Because, they are the only club that calls them what they are, the biewer terrier, and also because this is the only club that Mrs Biewer belongs too and believes in, and so to me, this is the "only" club!. I could go on and on, but, I won't.

Pruett 05-19-2009 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GreenwoodBiewer (Post 2629278)
Why would you make this comment? There are two other clubs that I know of (I believe there is another that I don't know any of the members of ) that have very caring, devoted breeders who's focus in life is to do nothing more than see that the Biewers can become all they can be. Granted, there are people out there, as in any other breed, breeding for other reasons.. but to think that the BTCA has the corner on people who care deeply about the Biewers development is just wrong. They may just have a quieter, gentler approach.

-Diana :animal-pa
Thank you, we try to help as much as possible and pretty much keep to ourselves, but envariably, we are attached with nonsense and have to defend ourselves.

I would really like to be able to discuss health issues, as some seem to be having problems from birth.

AprilLove 05-19-2009 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by phfgkl (Post 2629264)
Why is it that the BTCA seems to be the only Club that seems to want to better this breed? Why even breed if you don't want to better the breed and see them get accepted by AKC?
Bettering the breed doesn't mean rushing to AKC acceptance. It's not a contest
If you really truly believe that, then you do not know all of the breeders involved with this breed

Obie 05-19-2009 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tatertot (Post 2629281)
I don't think it's fair to say that the BTCA are the only ones that want to better the breed. I think everyone wants to better their breed but everyone has different ways of doing it. There are many different reason why people breed the way they do. How many Breeders here have reproduced that perfect pup out of show parents?? I know it's happen but not often even in the more established breeds. Just because they have a perfect pedigree or perfect makings or perfect ears doesn't not mean you will reproduce it. I really believe that all here are interested in bettering the breed or there wouldn't be such heat discussion filled with so much passion.. IMHO
I wanted to introduce myself to you at the Reading Expo, but you turned away. As many of you have, even your President -Why? Yes, we are all here trying to better our Biewers. And, there is no perfect breeder out there! We are all too new in trying to establsih what we have for show potential. However, my next showing is going to be "bred by", as I feel I can finally establish my line. I hope to see more bred by's in the show ring.


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