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Wylie's Mom 03-04-2009 11:21 AM
Nightline Tonight: Inside Primate Research Labs
 
Got this via email:

Tonight, go inside a research facility with an undercover investigator for The Humane Society of the United States. For nine months, she investigated the wretched existence of chimpanzees and other primates who are warehoused or used for research in laboratories at a cost of millions to taxpayers.

In a special in-depth report scheduled to air tonight at 11:35 p.m. EST on ABC News: Nightline, you'll see for yourself the dismal lives of chimpanzees held for research -- including some who were taken from their mothers as infants in the wild and have lived virtually their entire lives behind bars.

Please tune in tonight to ABC News: Nightline, and let your friends and family know about the broadcast, too. Then watch your email inbox tomorrow to join the campaign to help ensure these animals are retired to the sanctuaries they deserve.

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Here is a "sneak peek" from abc news - which includes and article and a video. The video is short - it has some disturbing footage, but relatively speaking - it was easier to watch than many of the recent puppy mill videos.

Wylie's Mom 03-04-2009 11:31 AM
Wow...I just read the entire article -- some of these chimpanzees have been in these labs for more than FORTY YEARS! :( :( :(

bchgirl 03-04-2009 11:35 AM
I do not advocate animal cruelty unfortunately until they come with another method..animal testing is a necessary evil.

Anyone whose child has survived leukemia has animal testing to thank.

Wylie's Mom 03-04-2009 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2501378)
I do not advocate animal cruelty unfortunately until they come with another method..animal testing is a necessary evil.

Anyone whose child has survived leukemia has animal testing to thank.
I don't disagree with you, however, animal testing and animal cruelty does *not* need to go hand-in-hand.

From the article: "The Federal Animal Welfare Act, the law designed to protect these primates, requires labs to ensure that procedures avoid or minimize distress or pain. The law also requires that animals be handled with proper care."

Ellie May 03-04-2009 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2501399)
I don't disagree with you, however, animal testing and animal cruelty does *not* need to go hand-in-hand.

From the article: "The Federal Animal Welfare Act, the law designed to protect these primates, requires labs to ensure that procedures avoid or minimize distress or pain. The law also requires that animals be handled with proper care."
Exactly.
Animal testing is one thing. Forcing animals to go through continual and unnecessary pain and stress is another.

txrosegirl 03-04-2009 12:57 PM
:( awwww ever since i was young and saw project x (with matthew broderick) i cringe when i hear about animals (esp. chimpanzees and primates) being used in animal testing...i cried so hard when i saw that movie

however i do agree with the others that animal testing has helped mankind with some major diseases and illnesses :( it is a double edged sword :(

Wylie's Mom 03-04-2009 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by txrosegirl (Post 2501563)
i do agree with the others that animal testing has helped mankind with some major diseases and illnesses
I don't disagree with this -- but like I said above, animal testing and animal cruelty don't have to go hand-in-hand. :thumbdown

yorkiekist 03-04-2009 02:19 PM
I am sure that if HSUS is behind this film, it will be slanted. Animal research is necessary although I would prefer prisoners/criminals should be used for this. I dont like to see cruelty, but these facilities are inspected regularly. There is a standard that these facilities must conform to or they will be fined and even shut down.

chachi 03-04-2009 02:22 PM
Ill be watching it

Wylie's Mom 03-04-2009 02:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2501732)
I am sure that if HSUS is behind this film, it will be slanted. Animal research is necessary although I would prefer prisoners/criminals should be used for this. I dont like to see cruelty, but these facilities are inspected regularly. There is a standard that these facilities must conform to or they will be fined and even shut down.
Maybe read the article. There is confirmation completely outside of the HSUS - and this lab is *not* conforming to the expected practices.

Just bc places, labs or puppy mills, are supposed to be inspected and supposed to be following laws - it does not mean that they are.

This thread is not for arguing about the HSUS, btw.

dogears 03-04-2009 03:39 PM
There just need to standards, very strict standards about how the animals are treated. Because without animal trials there would be alot of treatments we would not have.

When I was in college on the weekend I feed the animals and cleaned up at a research lab, needless to say the job did not last that long. I just could not deal with rabbits the size of cats, and the deal breaker was me having to fill in one weekend on the side that housed the dogs. Just seeing this one beagle that was so terrified broke my heart. I never did know what kind of experiments they did, because I didn't want to know.

LolaLove 03-04-2009 03:51 PM
I am so interested in these types of shows, but they break my heart, and are very difficult to watch. Unfortunately, it is reality. I wish I could tune in tonight but I have school, but I told my boyfriend to Tivo it :D Thanks for the posting!

Nancy1999 03-04-2009 04:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LolaLove (Post 2501895)
I am so interested in these types of shows, but they break my heart, and are very difficult to watch. Unfortunately, it is reality. I wish I could tune in tonight but I have school, but I told my boyfriend to Tivo it :D Thanks for the posting!
Yeah, I feel the same way, it's just so depressing to see this sort of thing. I too believe animal testing is needed, but should only be done under the most humane conditions possible. Even the Oprah puppymill show was too hard for me, and I had to watch it little bits at a time.

Wylie's Mom 03-04-2009 04:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dogears (Post 2501875)
There just need to standards, very strict standards about how the animals are treated. Because without animal trials there would be alot of treatments we would not have.
Yep, I agree about tough standards. There is just no need for cruelty. I mean really, subjects under that much duress shouldn't be considered reliable anyway...I mean, unless they're testing anxiety drugs, I guess. I'm so sorry for what you went through at that lab! :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by LolaLove (Post 2501895)
I am so interested in these types of shows, but they break my heart, and are very difficult to watch. Unfortunately, it is reality. I wish I could tune in tonight but I have school, but I told my boyfriend to Tivo it :D Thanks for the posting!
I feel the same way! They are super tough to watch and they stay with you forever.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2501942)
Yeah, I feel the same way, it's just so depressing to see this sort of thing. I too believe animal testing is needed, but should only be done under the most humane conditions possible. Even the Oprah puppymill show was too hard for me, and I had to watch it little bits at a time.
I agree, I feel very helpless after watching things like this and it sticks to my ribs. I think I cried throughout most of that Oprah show. :(

Nancy1999 03-04-2009 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2501948)
Yep, I agree about tough standards. There is just no need for cruelty. I mean really, subjects under that much duress shouldn't be considered reliable anyway...I mean, unless they're testing anxiety drugs, I guess. I'm so sorry for what you went through at that lab! :(



I feel the same way! They are super tough to watch and they stay with you forever.



I agree, I feel very helpless after watching things like this and it sticks to my ribs. I think I cried throughout most of that Oprah show. :(

Me too, sobbed and sobbed. Then I had to edit it because someone wanted a copy of it, I was drained for days after. Maybe the show will have some suggestions on what we can do.

txrosegirl 03-04-2009 05:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2501711)
I don't disagree with this -- but like I said above, animal testing and animal cruelty don't have to go hand-in-hand. :thumbdown
well i never said they went hand in hand :p ... i just believe if you really think about it, ANY animal testing is "inhumane" if the animals will be exposed to anything remotely dangerous (which is the point of animal testing, right?) ... yes they should try to handle and treat them as humanely as possible but how humane is it really to expose them to anything we would not expose a fellow human to?

manolos mom 03-04-2009 05:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2501349)
Got this via email:

Tonight, go inside a research facility with an undercover investigator for The Humane Society of the United States. For nine months, she investigated the wretched existence of chimpanzees and other primates who are warehoused or used for research in laboratories at a cost of millions to taxpayers.

In a special in-depth report scheduled to air tonight at 11:35 p.m. EST on ABC News: Nightline, you'll see for yourself the dismal lives of chimpanzees held for research -- including some who were taken from their mothers as infants in the wild and have lived virtually their entire lives behind bars.

Please tune in tonight to ABC News: Nightline, and let your friends and family know about the broadcast, too. Then watch your email inbox tomorrow to join the campaign to help ensure these animals are retired to the sanctuaries they deserve.

----------

Here is a "sneak peek" from abc news - which includes and article and a video. The video is short - it has some disturbing footage, but relatively speaking - it was easier to watch than many of the recent puppy mill videos.
OH Dear, I just cant watch these shows. It just makes me want to Ba--. My daughter is in medical school and Im just waiting for the day she tells me she had to test on Animals. I simply do not know how Im going to react. There is a HUGE Primate lab in San Antonio near Six Flags. You are talking to someone who as never been to a Circus, Neither have my 3 girls. I just hate the way we test and subject Animals for our Pleasures.

manolos mom 03-04-2009 06:01 PM
I know we need this for the advancement of medicine BUT some of these test are unnecessary and the part that ticks me off the most is they keep repeating the same test over and over. They do need to show this because some people have their heads buried in the sand...

yorkiekist 03-04-2009 07:38 PM
When I went to NAU, I worked for my advisor and in the animal facility. I helped in the labs and helped with surgeries that the upper grads were doing. They were doing nerve cross tests and used cats. Most of the cats had to be put down at the end of the tests but I did adopt one of them. there were an assortment of animals in the facility. A skunk, opposums, prairie dogs, ferrets, cats and hummingbirds. I took care of all of them.
I also took a genetic course. I about died when the teacher broke the necks of 4 mice right in front of us! So these kinds of testing go on yer end and year out at universities also. But you cant learn everything from a book.

Sara21 03-04-2009 08:17 PM
beware of HSUS
 
HSUS makes money by confusing people that it runs animal shelters. It is NOT a humane society.

Any organization that associates itself with terrorists like John Goodwin should not be given this much attention.

It has been refused entry into many meetings because it makes wild allegations that are simply not true.

Sara

Wylie's Mom 03-05-2009 06:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by txrosegirl (Post 2502059)
well i never said they went hand in hand :p ... i just believe if you really think about it, ANY animal testing is "inhumane" if the animals will be exposed to anything remotely dangerous (which is the point of animal testing, right?) ... yes they should try to handle and treat them as humanely as possible but how humane is it really to expose them to anything we would not expose a fellow human to?
Oh dear, I totally didn't mean to imply that you thought that...I hope you didn't take it that way - my apologies if it came off like that :). And your last point? Wow, I agree.

Quote:
Originally Posted by manolos mom (Post 2502096)
I know we need this for the advancement of medicine BUT some of these test are unnecessary and the part that ticks me off the most is they keep repeating the same test over and over. They do need to show this because some people have their heads buried in the sand...
Yes, I agree. What is sad is that sometimes, computer models are available and effective - and yet they aren't using them. I know they may not be able to *always* use models, but I think they should be used when able, you know?

Quote:
Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2502273)
When I went to NAU, I worked for my advisor and in the animal facility. I helped in the labs and helped with surgeries that the upper grads were doing. They were doing nerve cross tests and used cats. Most of the cats had to be put down at the end of the tests but I did adopt one of them. there were an assortment of animals in the facility. A skunk, opposums, prairie dogs, ferrets, cats and hummingbirds. I took care of all of them. I also took a genetic course. I about died when the teacher broke the necks of 4 mice right in front of us! So these kinds of testing go on yer end and year out at universities also. But you cant learn everything from a book.
Gosh those must be tough memories to have for you, bc I know you love animals, but I know you also understand the need for science - I'm glad you adopted one of the cats :). And yes, this stuff goes on in alllll kinds of schools. I understand the need for some of it, but then I don't understand the need in superfluous applications.

Nancy1999 03-05-2009 07:24 AM
Did anyone see it? I forgot to set the recorder, probably on purpose.

Wylie's Mom 03-05-2009 08:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2502851)
Did anyone see it? I forgot to set the recorder, probably on purpose.
I had it set to tape and was going to watch this morning, but our power blinked out in the middle of the night (our clocks were all blinking this a.m.) - so now I'm trying to see if it's going to be shown again. I really wanted to see it! :(

simonandhallie 03-05-2009 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sara21 (Post 2502330)
HSUS makes money by confusing people that it runs animal shelters. It is NOT a humane society.

Any organization that associates itself with terrorists like John Goodwin should not be given this much attention.

It has been refused entry into many meetings because it makes wild allegations that are simply not true.

Sara
This story is not about the HSUS but the animals trapped and suffering for the sake of "research" and that does require attention.

It's so easy for people to pretend it doesn't happen or look the other way because it's too difficult to deal with. I hate that! I think that regardless of personal issues with any animal organization at least they have the guts to stand up and fight for the animals and show the true nature of what is happening to them.

Also this might be of interest, here is a link to the PETA caring consumer list that has companies that do not test on animals :) You can also sign up for a pocket sized list to take shopping with you~

Caring Consumer // Search for Cruelty-Free Companies and Products

Nancy1999 03-05-2009 01:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by simonandhallie (Post 2503422)
This story is not about the HSUS but the animals trapped and suffering for the sake of "research" and that does require attention.

It's so easy for people to pretend it doesn't happen or look the other way because it's too difficult to deal with. I hate that! I think that regardless of personal issues with any animal organization at least they have the guts to stand up and fight for the animals and show the true nature of what is happening to them.

Also this might be of interest, here is a link to the PETA caring consumer list that has companies that do not test on animals :) You can also sign up for a pocket sized list to take shopping with you~

Caring Consumer // Search for Cruelty-Free Companies and Products
I agree with much of what you said, but I just have to say, I think it oversimplifies it to suggest that people buy only buy products from companies who don't do animal testing. We should strive for humane testing and try to eliminate unnecessary testing, but many of the companies, just use formulas that other companies have already tested. Government regulations demand that products be tested for safety when new ingredients or combinations are used. When company "A" spends money on testing to pass government regulations and proves that a certain ingredient is safe to use in a certain manner, it doesn't seem right that Company B can just use those ingredients and claim, they don't do animal testing.

If there are companies out there doing UNNECCESSARY testing, I would like to be aware of them, and I will boycott them as well.

cheryl19 03-05-2009 01:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2501711)
I don't disagree with this -- but like I said above, animal testing and animal cruelty don't have to go hand-in-hand. :thumbdown
So true!! :(

Woogie Man 03-05-2009 06:32 PM
I watched it but I think I may have missed a little of it. What I did see was less shocking than I expected but the narrator did say than the facility was being reinspected due to the report. I only saw 3 highlighted instances and they were: (1) Someone whacked a monkey (or chimp) in the face with a bar. This was the worst I saw. The person didn't 'go off' on it with the bar but still, it was inhumane. (2) There were several obviously drugged primates (very out of it) lying on a stainless steel counter and one of them slid onto the floor. (3) The report showed workers transporting sedated primates without any restraints or cages. I must've missed something because I really expected to see much worse but this facility (in New Iberia LA) gets LOTS of grant money and should be nothing less than state-of-the-art. There was also a focus on the lack of attention the primates receive and the quality (or lack thereof) of their housing.

Wylie's Mom 03-05-2009 06:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 2504143)
I watched it but I think I may have missed a little of it. What I did see was less shocking than I expected but the narrator did say than the facility was being reinspected due to the report. I only saw 3 highlighted instances and they were: (1) Someone whacked a monkey (or chimp) in the face with a bar. This was the worst I saw. The person didn't 'go off' on it with the bar but still, it was inhumane. (2) There were several obviously drugged primates (very out of it) lying on a stainless steel counter and one of them slid onto the floor. (3) The report showed workers transporting sedated primates without any restraints or cages. I must've missed something because I really expected to see much worse but this facility (in New Iberia LA) gets LOTS of grant money and should be nothing less than state-of-the-art. There was also a focus on the lack of attention the primates receive and the quality (or lack thereof) of their housing.
Very interesting, Jim, thank you so much for sharing that information. I was wondering how some of the video on the show might have compared to the video in the article at nbc (in the first post). The article was good too. I wish I would've seen it -- can't believe our power went out. It's really to bad about the lack of attention bc primates are such complex creatures, they really are in dire need of it.

Wylie's Mom 03-05-2009 06:50 PM
OH! And for anyone wanting to take action for this, especially to help "retire" the elders who are still at the lab - you can go here:

https://community.hsus.org/campaign/US_2009_NIRC_jindal

dogears 03-05-2009 08:03 PM
If you go to the link at the very beginning of this thread you can watch the video (right hand side 2nd video). The segment was only about 9 minutes long.


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