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gkathleenw 02-10-2009 04:02 PM
Puppy Mill Protester Tackled by Mall Cops
 
* Protester Tackled By Mall Cop During Peaceful Protest [The Veg Blog]

He was just trying to voice his opinion. What happened to freedom of speech?

yorkie mom-3 02-10-2009 04:44 PM
Well considering I'm "Mom" to an ex puppymill survivor, I saw nothing wrong with these kids expressing their freedom of speech. They weren't harassing any customers or anyone else. As for the young man being put in handcuffs, it's a sad day when a person cannot raise their voice in this country. Word needs to get out about puppymills and to get the attention of the public. One only needs to go to the website prisonersofgreed to see the real story.:animal-pa

BubblPopElectrc 02-10-2009 04:48 PM
While I'm all for stopping puppy mills isn't a mall considered private property? If so, I don't know if "freedom of speech" is applicable.

yorkie mom-3 02-10-2009 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by BubblPopElectrc (Post 2464664)
While I'm all for stopping puppy mills isn't a mall considered private property? If so, I don't know if "freedom of speech" is applicable.
Good point! I hadn't thought of it in that way.:animal-pa

gkathleenw 02-10-2009 04:56 PM
Good point! I hadn't thought of that either! But still, Good for them!!!! :D

DvlshAngel985 02-10-2009 05:30 PM
I don't get it, they guy wasn't even cheering. That was a bit weird.
He was just standing there for all I can see, just like a lot of the people there. Maybe there's audio to it, but I'm in the library so shhhh!!! I'll watch it again when I get home.

Yorkiedaze 02-10-2009 07:02 PM
I think everyone should make a thousand copies about information on puppy mills, and hand them out in front of every pet store that sells animals, but be careful how close you stand in front of the store. Find out first the law about how many feet.

MeganS 02-10-2009 11:32 PM
Kyle - I hadn't even thought of that.

Someone should look that up! I would, but I'm too lazy right now. :p I'd really like to know the answer to this though. Because if not, then there could be a serious issue there.

I think what they should've done was protested outside the mall, not just outside the store.

I do find it interesting though that the cheerleaders were there for like 5 minutes and no one did anything, and as soon as the guy started talking security was tackling him. That's not fair.

DvlshAngel985 02-10-2009 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MeganS (Post 2465171)
Kyle - I hadn't even thought of that.

Someone should look that up! I would, but I'm too lazy right now. :p I'd really like to know the answer to this though. Because if not, then there could be a serious issue there.

I think what they should've done was protested outside the mall, not just outside the store.

I do find it interesting though that the cheerleaders were there for like 5 minutes and no one did anything, and as soon as the guy started talking security was tackling him. That's not fair.
I just saw it again, so the guys says pretty much what the girls were saying, and I think Megan has a very good point... if the security guards had a problem with the protest, then why didn't they ask the girls to leave? Was it because they were girls??? Was it just easier for them to make an example of the guy??
That just was unfair, even if the mall is private property. At least they sent a message to those who stood around for a while. Let's just hope that message sinks in.

yorkiekist 02-11-2009 12:11 PM
Even though the message was loud and clear, I think the bimbos with the pompoms should have been escourted off the property as well. Their tactics are VERY much like peta. Not only are they disturbing the business at the pet store, they are disturbing the other businesses in the mall. These people fall into the same catagory as the protestors at military funerals.

Nikki+2 02-11-2009 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2465867)
Even though the message was loud and clear, I think the bimbos with the pompoms should have been escourted off the property as well. Their tactics are VERY much like peta. Not only are they disturbing the business at the pet store, they are disturbing the other businesses in the mall. These people fall into the same catagory as the protestors at military funerals.
Yeah, they're horrible bimbos spending their time worried about the welfare of puppymill dogs.:rolleyes:

What a perv that security guard was. Didn't seem to have any problem getting his little own show. Guess the guy protester should have worn a skirt.:p

There are laws on protesting on private property and they weren't exactly sneaky about it.:D

MeganS 02-11-2009 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2465867)
Even though the message was loud and clear, I think the bimbos with the pompoms should have been escourted off the property as well. Their tactics are VERY much like peta. Not only are they disturbing the business at the pet store, they are disturbing the other businesses in the mall. These people fall into the same catagory as the protestors at military funerals.
woah. I'm sorry. You're entitled to your opinion, but military funerals? Are you serious? You're comparing a couple teenage girls with pom poms outside a puppy store to the sick people who protest Military funerals?

That's a new one.

gkathleenw 02-11-2009 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2465867)
Even though the message was loud and clear, I think the bimbos with the pompoms should have been escourted off the property as well. Their tactics are VERY much like peta. Not only are they disturbing the business at the pet store, they are disturbing the other businesses in the mall. These people fall into the same catagory as the protestors at military funerals.
I agree that they may have been disturbing the other businesses in the mall but who cares if they were disturbing the pet stores business, that was their point. And, I don't know if name calling is necessary. :idontknow They were trying to be the voice for those poor puppy's parents. :cheer: Cheer girls, Cheer! :cheer:

BubblPopElectrc 02-11-2009 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by MeganS (Post 2466024)
woah. I'm sorry. You're entitled to your opinion, but military funerals? Are you serious? You're comparing a couple teenage girls with pom poms outside a puppy store to the sick people who protest Military funerals?

That's a new one.
I agree.

Ashley V 02-11-2009 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2465867)
Even though the message was loud and clear, I think the bimbos with the pompoms should have been escourted off the property as well. Their tactics are VERY much like peta. Not only are they disturbing the business at the pet store, they are disturbing the other businesses in the mall. These people fall into the same catagory as the protestors at military funerals.
I must be a bimbo too because I'd be right there with them! I own two puppy mill dogs and I would do ANYTHING to get rid of them. I don't care what the cost is because I've seen what harm it can do to a dog.

Nancy1999 02-11-2009 02:44 PM
Although it was private property, and not the place for a legal protest, sometimes you have to bend the rules for an important cause. Unfortunately, the activities of some animal rights groups have turned off many people to listen to any protest. These girls didn't stop or interfere with customers wanting to access the store, and they weren't throwing things on them. It was a peaceful protest. I'm not sure why the man was handled so roughly, perhaps he was the one on the loud speaker, but the way they treated him was pretty much the same way puppy mill dogs are treated. On the other hand, what were the security cops suppose to do? They want to keep their jobs.

AshDawn 02-11-2009 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MeganS (Post 2465171)
I do find it interesting though that the cheerleaders were there for like 5 minutes and no one did anything, and as soon as the guy started talking security was tackling him. That's not fair.
Exactly what I was thinking.

Nancy1999 02-11-2009 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AshDawn (Post 2466101)
Exactly what I was thinking.
If you notice the security guard was calling for backup the first few minutes of the film. When the other guards came the man was the target because the girls were quite, and the man was doing the talking.

Wylie's Mom 02-11-2009 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2465867)
I think the bimbos with the pompoms should have been escourted off the property as well.
I was a pom pom girl for 1 year in high school - I'm just *today* learning I am a bimbo. Ahmagod, what am I gonna DO NOW? :p

I need to quit my job, hand back my bachelors degree, annihilate my GPA -- and go try out for the Suns' cheer squad. I'm totally sunk. :p

gkathleenw 02-11-2009 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2466118)
I was a pom pom girl for 1 year in high school - I'm just *today* learning I am a bimbo. Ahmagod, what am I gonna DO NOW? :p

I need to quit my job, hand back my bachelors degree, annihilate my GPA -- and go try out for the Suns' cheer squad. I'm totally sunk. :p
:yelrotflm :lol tears

DvlshAngel985 02-11-2009 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2466118)
I was a pom pom girl for 1 year in high school - I'm just *today* learning I am a bimbo. Ahmagod, what am I gonna DO NOW? :p

I need to quit my job, hand back my bachelors degree, annihilate my GPA -- and go try out for the Suns' cheer squad. I'm totally sunk. :p
Well if you're gonna do that, then I'm going to have to do it too. I was a pom pom girl for 2 years in HS. If you make it as a Suns girl then I'm going to be a Laker girl, and we can argue about who's team is better! You up for it?? :p

AshDawn 02-11-2009 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2466108)
If you notice the security guard was calling for backup the first few minutes of the film. When the other guards came the man was the target because the girls were quite, and the man was doing the talking.
Yes, but the security guard stood and watched those girls protest for an extended period of time and they were not escorted out, regardless of when backup came.

yorkiekist 02-11-2009 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 2466118)
I was a pom pom girl for 1 year in high school - I'm just *today* learning I am a bimbo. Ahmagod, what am I gonna DO NOW? :p

I need to quit my job, hand back my bachelors degree, annihilate my GPA -- and go try out for the Suns' cheer squad. I'm totally sunk. :p
LOL!!!:) I didnt say all pompom girls were bimbos!!

yorkiekist 02-11-2009 10:13 PM
Too all of you that replied to my post:(cant get that multi post thing yet)

If I had a business next door to that pet store, I would have called the police and not left it to the "security guards". Those girls were totally obnoxious and if I were a customer, I would turn around a go a different way. And , yes, they are on the same level as the military funeral hecklers. There are other ways of getting ones point across.
I agree with their points of view, I just dont agree with the tactics they use.

Wheres Paul Blart when you need him!!!LOL

MeganS 02-11-2009 10:59 PM
I'm sorry - I guess I just don't understand how you can compare them to the jerks who protest at military funerals.

I'm not trying to argue or anything. This just really baffled me and I'd like to understand your way of thinking.

There is a huge difference between being annoying protestors and what the people who protest military funerals do.

and, most protests are pretty annoying. If people just stood around staring at each other it wouldn't get the point across very well lol. the idea is to bring attention to it, not get as little attention as possible.

yorkiekist 02-11-2009 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MeganS (Post 2466781)
I'm sorry - I guess I just don't understand how you can compare them to the jerks who protest at military funerals.

I'm not trying to argue or anything. This just really baffled me and I'd like to understand your way of thinking.

There is a huge difference between being annoying protestors and what the people who protest military funerals do.

and, most protests are pretty annoying. If people just stood around staring at each other it wouldn't get the point across very well lol. the idea is to bring attention to it, not get as little attention as possible.
This is just my point of view. Annoying is annoying no matter if its in a mall or at a funeral. If you dont like the war, go talk to your senator. If you dont like pet stores, go talk to your senator. You should not be able to make others lives miserable, make other businesses loose cliental, or use intimidation and harrasment tactics all in the name of a "protest". I dont know why the mall cop tackeled that boy. If I were the store owner, i would have just called the police. End of story, end of problem. No matter what you passion is there is always a jerk around to rain on your parade, so to speak, and draw attention to themselves or their agenda. JMO

chachi 02-12-2009 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2465867)
even though the message was loud and clear, i think the bimbos with the pompoms should have been escourted off the property as well. Their tactics are very much like peta. Not only are they disturbing the business at the pet store, they are disturbing the other businesses in the mall. These people fall into the same catagory as the protestors at military funerals.
lol!!

Nancy1999 02-12-2009 07:26 AM
I guess I'm willing to be a little annoyed so that important topics will be brought to my attention. Protesters have done a lot to get this country where it is today. I think we would still be under England's rule if nobody believed in protesting. How about women's voting rights, don't you think those women must have been annoying parading around bringing scads of attention to themselves? The protesters of the 60's got us out of the Vietnam War, and they were annoying too. To me this was a well-executed protest, nobody was hurt or endangered, just annoyed. Not sure about the male protester, I don't, know if he was hurt, but that's one of the drawbacks of protesting. He probably was asked to leave peacefully and refused, and this made better video. The mall has every right to remove those people breaking the rules, and with video cameras the message was probably relayed on their local news channels so that people were made aware of the problem. Before we can fix the roof, we have to know there is a leak.

Nikki+2 02-12-2009 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2467079)
I guess I'm willing to be a little annoyed so that important topics will be brought to my attention. Protesters have done a lot to get this country where it is today. I think we would still be under England's rule if nobody believed in protesting. How about women's voting rights, don't you think those women must have been annoying parading around bringing scads of attention to themselves? The protesters of the 60's got us out of the Vietnam War, and they were annoying too. To me this was a well-executed protest, nobody was hurt or endangered, just annoyed. Not sure about the male protester, I don't, know if he was hurt, but that's one of the drawbacks of protesting. He probably was asked to leave peacefully and refused, and this made better video. The mall has every right to remove those people breaking the rules, and with video cameras the message was probably relayed on their local news channels so that people were made aware of the problem. Before we can fix the roof, we have to know there is a leak.
:goodpost:
Love that!

yorkiekist 02-12-2009 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2467079)
I guess I'm willing to be a little annoyed so that important topics will be brought to my attention. Protesters have done a lot to get this country where it is today. I think we would still be under England's rule if nobody believed in protesting. How about women's voting rights, don't you think those women must have been annoying parading around bringing scads of attention to themselves? The protesters of the 60's got us out of the Vietnam War, and they were annoying too. To me this was a well-executed protest, nobody was hurt or endangered, just annoyed. Not sure about the male protester, I don't, know if he was hurt, but that's one of the drawbacks of protesting. He probably was asked to leave peacefully and refused, and this made better video. The mall has every right to remove those people breaking the rules, and with video cameras the message was probably relayed on their local news channels so that people were made aware of the problem. Before we can fix the roof, we have to know there is a leak.
I am just looking at it from the other business owners view. If I am paying good money for rent at the mall, I sure dont want any potential clinental to change their minds about coming to my shop just because there is a protest going on.


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