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cataholic 01-03-2009 04:06 PM
Petition to keep Micheal Vick out of the NFL
 
Anyone who feels that Michael Vick should not return to the NFL please sign this petiton. I personally do not think he deserves to be a role model for children. This just my opinion. All of us being dog owners probably feel the same about him. But if not please I do not want this to turn ugly. I am just letting you know this petition is out there. Thanks.

Ban Michael Vick from the NFL-Permanently - The Petition Site

veguroev 01-03-2009 05:47 PM
Sign it and added my two cents too!

DukesMommy 01-03-2009 06:03 PM
I signed!

buffy16938 01-15-2009 05:12 PM
Thank you so much for posting this! It would sadden me if this man gets out of jail and just goes back into the NFL like nothing happened.

cataholic 01-15-2009 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by buffy16938 (Post 2420956)
Thank you so much for posting this! It would sadden me if this man gets out of jail and just goes back into the NFL like nothing happened.
Thank you. I agree completely!

cheryl19 01-16-2009 03:31 AM
Thank you for this post!!!

Can it also go in the main post so more people see this??

I can't even look at him. Makes me so mad :mad::mad::mad:

BamaFan121s 01-16-2009 09:11 AM
Ya know, I from what I gather, online petitions are essentially worthless because there is no way to verify their validity....which makes sense...
snopes.com: Internet Petitions

Hmmm...I definately would never support any team that decided to add him to their roster (please don't go to Minnesota, please don't go to Minnesota), but for players, the NFL is their job. Should he not be allowed to have a job after he is released? That is a very tricky, thought provoking situation there...I can see both sides to the situation.

chloesMama 01-16-2009 09:25 AM
Given I'm a Football fan (Ravens fan to be exact :D) ...I didn't like Michael Vick even before he did what he did...after what he did I REALLY can't stand him.

I will sign the petition but I think Michael Vick will be back in football after he gets released ( probably early) . The NFL cares about football and making money more than anything or any one person in it .They also have a track record for pushing the past aside , so I don't think any petition to keep him out has a shot...It's all about $$$ and he did and will make them money because sadly not many people Will remember or care what he has done as long as he can play :( JMO

BamaFan121s 01-16-2009 09:32 AM
I have to say, I was in Atlanta a few months ago and it was very odd to see people...LOTS of people...walking around still wearing Vick jerseys. Funny thing was though, you could go into the stores and they were all like 75% off. :p

jencar98 01-16-2009 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2421855)
Ya know, I from what I gather, online petitions are essentially worthless because there is no way to verify their validity....which makes sense...
snopes.com: Internet Petitions

Hmmm...I definately would never support any team that decided to add him to their roster (please don't go to Minnesota, please don't go to Minnesota), but for players, the NFL is their job. Should he not be allowed to have a job after he is released? That is a very tricky, thought provoking situation there...I can see both sides to the situation.
You know as much as I absolutely abhor him, detest what he did and want to spit in his face - he did, according to our nation's laws pay his debt to society by serving his time.

Now, do I think he should have served more time - yes! Do I think he shouldn't be a role model for anyone - yes! Do I think he should be kept from earning a living - no! Not anymore than any other criminal out there. And, if football is his way of 'earning a living", and all he is trained for, what else would people have him do?

Like you I can see both sides.

DukesMommy 01-16-2009 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jencar98 (Post 2421919)
You know as much as I absolutely abhor him, detest what he did and want to spit in his face - he did, according to our nation's laws pay his debt to society by serving his time.

Now, do I think he should have served more time - yes! Do I think he shouldn't be a role model for anyone - yes! Do I think he should be kept from earning a living - no! Not anymore than any other criminal out there. And, if football is his way of 'earning a living", and all he is trained for, what else would people have him do?

Like you I can see both sides.
In the aspect of football being all he can do. A lot of people who were never in a celeb status have lost jobs and had to go back to school and go through new training to be able to keep up with the times and be able to make a living. And those people didn't even do anything illegal, their jobs were just replaced by technology. He wouldn't be the first person that would have to learn how to do something new.
Celebrities in general get off way too easy for things they do.

Keely_momma 01-16-2009 09:06 PM
The b@stard Can get a job at mcdonalds just like anybody else. Or get a job as a waiter. If it were anybody else, besides a celeb and they couldnt go back to there old job, That is what they would have to do. WHy should this man be any different? I think, his job should be as a guy who trains attack dogs. Only he doesnt get to wear any equipment.

This man better hope and pray I never go to where he is located. Because if i ever came in contact with him, he would KNOW what it is like to suffer.

BamaFan121s 01-19-2009 08:47 AM
I'm not saying that he couldn't get a job somewhere else...of course he could. But bottom line is, he is more than likely going to be working somewhere.... I personally don't want to see him back in the NFL either, probably for all the same reasons as the rest of you, but he's served his time and is going to have to work somewhere now. Logically, I know that it's not my place to dictate how he earns a living and who can and can't employ him.
I fail to see how he 'got off too easy' or even if he did, how that relates to where he works now.

MindieRose 01-19-2009 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2426575)
I'm not saying that he couldn't get a job somewhere else...of course he could. But bottom line is, he is more than likely going to be working somewhere.... I personally don't want to see him back in the NFL either, probably for all the same reasons as the rest of you, but he's served his time and is going to have to work somewhere now. Logically, I know that it's not my place to dictate how he earns a living and who can and can't employ him.
I fail to see how he 'got off too easy' or even if he did, how that relates to where he works now.

I tend to agree here. A lot of people do illegal, immoral, or unethical things everyday, but they still keep their jobs. Celebs have affairs all the time that break up happy homes, and ruin childrens lives in the process which to me (sorry to offend) is worse than this, yet they are hailed as celebrities and people say it's not their business to judge. Now because it involves the lives of animals it's different? I would rather this man work than live off of my tax dollars thats for sure. I have the choice to not be a fan. When they start perminantly removing players for committing adultry or domestic violence or drunk driving I may be more apt to side with this. Currently there is no moral standard for celebrities. In fact, the less moral you are, the better it seems. I don't like the guy, I think he is a sick individual, but unless they are going to remove half of all sports players for every unethical or immoral thing they did, I cannot see the point in this.

BamaFan121s 01-19-2009 09:02 AM
Very good point MindieRose. I didn't even think about it like that, but that's a very interesting concept.

Lexi Rae 01-20-2009 07:57 AM
he's a piece of s**tand deserves s**t.

Rudys Mom 01-20-2009 11:06 AM
Tina, I'm just seeing this now. I'm going to sign the Petition. He does NOT deserve to be back in the NFL.:(

Akbritt 01-20-2009 11:17 AM
signed it

Nikki+2 01-20-2009 11:20 AM
Going to sign right now.:thumbup:

ARCHIE 01-20-2009 11:32 AM
Michael Vick deserves nothing! Get a job like any other person who has
to find a way to make a living! That is no excuse, "It's all he knows how
to do" Poor U. Who cares, wash cars, flip hamburger's etc.
He had it all and choose his fate as far as I'm concerned.
No, he should not be allowed to return to the NFL.
I voted!
The majority of his dogs found loving homes. If he did not get
caught they would still be suffering or dead!

Lexi Rae 01-20-2009 11:51 AM
thats right!!! he would still be doing it... he deserves nothing

shirlblack 01-20-2009 11:55 AM
Thank you for posting this. I first thought that surely he wouldn't be allowed back in but money talks and really nothing surprises me anymore.

BamaFan121s 01-20-2009 04:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ARCHIE (Post 2428590)
Get a job like any other person who has
to find a way to make a living! Who cares, wash cars, flip hamburger's etc.
He had it all and choose his fate as far as I'm concerned.
No, he should not be allowed to return to the NFL.
So, he has a right to and should get a job, but others have the right to say what type job he should have...:confused:

DukesMommy 01-20-2009 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2429117)
So, he has a right to and should get a job, but others have the right to say what type job he should have...:confused:
He doesn't deserve the status he had before. Being in the NFL makes him a celebrity. He had that position and we saw what he chose to do. He effed up-he made that decision, knowing the consequences. If I had children, I wouldn't want them looking up to someone like that, and I sure as hell wouldn't want them to see him regain what he once had just because he could grease a few palms, or whatever would get him back to where he was.
The same goes for other celebs (just because someone brought it up earlier) I don't think they should be rewarded for the negative attention they get with DUI's.
they should all get treated the same way anyone else would. If I got busted for dog fighting and animal cruelty, went to prison, then got out, I know I wouldn't be able to go back to working in the preschool I worked at.

BamaFan121s 01-20-2009 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DukesMommy (Post 2429405)
He doesn't deserve the status he had before. Being in the NFL makes him a celebrity. He had that position and we saw what he chose to do. He effed up-he made that decision, knowing the consequences. If I had children, I wouldn't want them looking up to someone like that, and I sure as hell wouldn't want them to see him regain what he once had just because he could grease a few palms, or whatever would get him back to where he was.
THAT is actually my opinion on it too, believe it or not. I don't think he should be viewed as a role model either. I don't want him back in the NFL either and would never support a team that would have him. But that is just MY opinion. I don't think it's my place to dictate what company can hire him and which can't. As far as not wanting your children (theoretically speaking) to look up to someone like that...shouldn't that be the parent's job to instill those values in their child and teach them right from wrong? It's not the NFL's responsibility to instill values on the youth of America, that is something that comes from parenting.

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Originally Posted by DukesMommy (Post 2429405)
The same goes for other celebs (just because someone brought it up earlier) I don't think they should be rewarded for the negative attention they get with DUI's.
they should all get treated the same way anyone else would. If I got busted for dog fighting and animal cruelty, went to prison, then got out, I know I wouldn't be able to go back to working in the preschool I worked at.
You wouldn't be allowed because of the type of work you do. I personally don't think that he "got special treatment" because of who he is. He got a sentence a heck of a lot stricter that any average Joe would have gotten. People are convicted of the same crime frequently and get community service and a fine IF that even. Do I think the penalties for animal cruelty should be more harsh? You bet I do, for both the suffering the animals are subjected to AND because I think it masks a deeper, dangerous psychological issue. But they aren't as strict as they should be and per our justice system, he will have served his time and at that point should be free to re-enter the work force, whatever that may be. I'm confused by how he has been rewarded over all of this? :confused: He got and is getting what he deserves, fines, jail time, loss of property, a tarnished reputation, fired from his job and loss of his income from endorsements. Which is exactly what he deserves. If you feel that strongly about it, boycott the team that signs him, or boycott the NFL altogether.

megansmomma 01-20-2009 06:59 PM
I signed the petition and have passed it on to everyone of my contacts. Michael Vick came from nothing and was given the world but instead of leading by example he decided to throw it all away. His deplorable behavior is so much farther reaching than just his dog fighting conviction. He was given opportunities that so many dream about. Instead of embracing his God given talents and what life offered he instead decided it would be better to be disrespectful to his fans, test positive for drug use, have numerous children by multiple women and his felonious activities are just the final icing on his party. Because of these behavior he lost many very lucrative endorsement contracts and continued on this path until ultimately he single handedly drove his career into the ground with his dog fighting conviction. He managed to do all of this in a matter of just a few short year and is now a bankrupt felon. We should feel sorry or take pity on him? I have not one ounce of pity or sympathy for this horrible man.

BamaFan121s 01-20-2009 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 2429451)
We should feel sorry or take pity on him? I have not one ounce of pity or sympathy for this horrible man.
Who in their right mind would take pity on him!? :eek: He did it to himself!

chloesMama 01-20-2009 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2429117)
So, he has a right to and should get a job, but others have the right to say what type job he should have...:confused:

I have to agree with Bamafan121s here. While I DO NOT like Michael Vick , quite frankly I detested him as a person long before he did what he did, but after he has served his sentence in accordance with our laws his debt to society is considered paid.

The problem is that with most crimes after the convicted have served their sentence and are released , both the person and the community know what kind of job they will qualify to hold. If you are a convicted felon you can't become FBI agent and carry a weapon . If you are a sex offender you can't work with children . In Michael Vick's case the NFL is a sports league and the only way he would be permanently banned was if he was convicted of gambling and personal monetary gain , his plea agreement made sure that was not the case.

BamaFan121s 01-20-2009 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by chloesMama (Post 2429500)
In Michael Vick's case the NFL is a sports league and the only way he would be permanently banned was if he was convicted of gambling and personal monetary gain , his plea agreement made sure that was not the case.
He certainly has his lawyers to thank for that one! :mad:

DukesMommy 01-20-2009 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2429449)
THAT is actually my opinion on it too, believe it or not. I don't think he should be viewed as a role model either. I don't want him back in the NFL either and would never support a team that would have him. But that is just MY opinion. I don't think it's my place to dictate what company can hire him and which can't. As far as not wanting your children (theoretically speaking) to look up to someone like that...shouldn't that be the parent's job to instill those values in their child and teach them right from wrong? It's not the NFL's responsibility to instill values on the youth of America, that is something that comes from parenting.


You wouldn't be allowed because of the type of work you do. I personally don't think that he "got special treatment" because of who he is. He got a sentence a heck of a lot stricter that any average Joe would have gotten. People are convicted of the same crime frequently and get community service and a fine IF that even. Do I think the penalties for animal cruelty should be more harsh? You bet I do, for both the suffering the animals are subjected to AND because I think it masks a deeper, dangerous psychological issue. But they aren't as strict as they should be and per our justice system, he will have served his time and at that point should be free to re-enter the work force, whatever that may be. I'm confused by how he has been rewarded over all of this? :confused: He got and is getting what he deserves, fines, jail time, loss of property, a tarnished reputation, fired from his job and loss of his income from endorsements. Which is exactly what he deserves. If you feel that strongly about it, boycott the team that signs him, or boycott the NFL altogether.
You're right that it is the parents responsibility to instill values in their children. But, I don't think it's a good representation of the way we all work as a whole, when you see people who make ridiculous amounts of money, and are in the publics eye, then one day they blatantly break the law (I was surprised myself, at the sentence he actually got. I thought he would pay a fine and be done with it) then return back to the lifestyle they had before after everything is said and done, I don't think that is right.
I know he served his time, but I still think it would be rewarding him in a way by allowing him to go right back into the NFL. I just think things like that shouldn't be taken as lightly as they are. Personally I have no interest in football, I think it is boring, so I don't watch it either way. But I am not just looking at it as one person in one career field, he isn't the first celeb to do something apalling, I think when any of them do something that disgusting they should lose their "on top of the world" social status.


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