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IndianaGirl 10-06-2008 03:20 PM
California Proposition 2 has me so upset & sad
 
I just saw the commercial. How can they show something so graphic and disturbing like that. I wish I had never seen it, but now I realize by showing what they did, people will be upset like me and vote for this. UGH, I only wish I could get that image out of my head :(
Has anyone else seen this? I hope you vote yes on it!!!! This upcoming election is more than just picking a new president, its challenging us to fix problems that get swept under the rug..Prop 8 is another big decision on the right to have gay marriage or not. Is California the only state contemplating this law?

MindieRose 10-06-2008 06:03 PM
In MI Prop 2 is the stem cell debate. I had to look up CA prop 2. I didnt see the whole proposal, but I do believe animals should be allowed to move around and not stay so confined. From the summery that I read on it, I would vote yes as well. My prop 2 however, will be getting a big fat no.

Nikki+2 10-07-2008 06:49 AM
We're not gettting the commercials here in FL of course but I know the HSUS is doing a donation drive to raise $200,000 to air a prop 2 commercial during Desperate Housewives. Here is a cute commercial for yes on prop 2 YES! on Prop 2 | Uncaged.

MindieRose 10-07-2008 07:02 AM
So does everyone have the same Prop 2 except me?

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikki+2 (Post 2271878)
We're not gettting the commercials here in FL of course but I know the HSUS is doing a donation drive to raise $200,000 to air a prop 2 commercial during Desperate Housewives. Here is a cute commercial for yes on prop 2 YES! on Prop 2 | Uncaged.
That was so funny! Thanks for sharing that :) They should show that one instead of the one I saw, I would still vote yes ;)

Nikki+2 10-07-2008 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by IndianaGirl (Post 2270919)
Prop 8 is another big decision on the right to have gay marriage or not. Is California the only state contemplating this law?
I sort of hate to open this can of worms but since you asked...:p
Florida's prop 2 is actually sort of concerning that. It is basically proposing that marriage be defined as a legal union between 1 man and 1 woman and no other unions be recognized or protected. It's written to be very confusing (surprise!:rolleyes:) because what it also does is eliminates protections and benefits for all unmarried partners, gay or straight. It also takes away family protections, health care insurance, hospital visitation and authority to make medical decisions for all unmarried couples. It permanently bans civil unions and domestic partner benefits. It is a bad bill regarless of your sexual orientation or beliefs regarding gay marriage. I'll be voting a big NO on our prop 2.

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 2271887)
So does everyone have the same Prop 2 except me?
I think its different in every state :confused:
I was wondering if any other states are debating over gay marriage? That is a big one here!

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikki+2 (Post 2271899)
I sort of hate to open this can of worms but since you asked...:p
Florida's prop 2 is actually sort of concerning that. It is basically proposing that marriage be defined as a legal union between 1 man and 1 woman and no other unions be recognized or protected. It's written to be very confusing (surprise!:rolleyes:) because what it also does is eliminates protections and benefits for all unmarried partners, gay or straight. It also takes away family protections, health care insurance, hospital visitation and authority to make medical decisions for all unmarried couples. It permanently bans civil unions and domestic partner benefits. It is a bad bill regarless of your sexual orientation or beliefs regarding gay marriage. I'll be voting a big NO on our prop 2.
Im wondering if all the things you said apply to this prop here in California. I have been looking into it and for California, churches, priests, etc are being forced to marry same sex couples and if they dont comply, they are being fined. I will look into it more, but for me Im voting YES on this prop 8. But Im glad you told me about the benefits etc, that is something to look into and consider :)

Nikki+2 10-07-2008 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 2271887)
So does everyone have the same Prop 2 except me?
No these would be amendments to your state constitution.

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Originally Posted by IndianaGirl (Post 2271890)
That was so funny! Thanks for sharing that :) They should show that one instead of the one I saw, I would still vote yes ;)
I haven't seen the one that you saw but I think it's also on the link I posted. I'm not going to watch it. I know how awful factory farming conditions are so I'm not going to torture myself. If anyone doesn't know, then I you might want to check it out.

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikki+2 (Post 2271910)
No these would be amendments to your state constitution.



I haven't seen the one that you saw but I think it's also on the link I posted. I'm not going to watch it. I know how awful factory farming conditions are so I'm not going to torture myself. If anyone doesn't know, then I you might want to check it out.
I cant watch anything like that either, Im a wreck for at least a week. This commercial I was so surprised they showed, it wasn't made for family TV. My hubby's birthday is November 4, which is voting day! He says he can't wait to get this all behind us, we are being bombarded with so much political stuff!

Nikki+2 10-07-2008 07:21 AM
I haven't studied CA's prop 8 (since I can't vote on it anyway:p) but my understanding of it is it's eliminating the state's constitutional right for same sex marriage. Same sex couples would have no legal rights for themselves or their families. Sounds like a step backward. I would vote no if I could but I know it's pretty controversial and personal issue.

eta- oops, sorry Indanagirl I meant to quote you. This was to your post a few up.

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikki+2 (Post 2271925)
I haven't studied CA's prop 8 (since I can't vote on it anyway:p) but my understanding of it is it's eliminating the state's constitutional right for same sex marriage. Same sex couples would have no legal rights for themselves or their families. Sounds like a step backward. I would vote no if I could but I know it's pretty controversial and personal issue.

eta- oops, sorry Indanagirl I meant to quote you. This was to your post a few up.
No worries on the quote :)
The thing that is so hard with some of these props is could hurt both sides. The prop 2 is a no brainer for me. There is no hurting a farmer or industry to be more humane to their livestock. But prop 8 has two sides that are being effected and its something I will give more thought too.

bchgirl 10-07-2008 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by IndianaGirl (Post 2271904)
I think its different in every state :confused:
I was wondering if any other states are debating over gay marriage? That is a big one here!

Here in Va it's already been decided...no on same sex marriages.

Were I gay....I would give my partner durable power of attorney which
would eliminate any issue over any medical care decision or legal issue that may arise.

I am not saying I'm against it...I'm just explaining a way around the roadblocks.

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2271940)
Here in Va it's already been decided...no on same sex marriages.

Were I gay....I would give my partner durable power of attorney which
would eliminate any issue over any medical care decision or legal issue that may arise.

I am not saying I'm against it...I'm just explaining a way around the roadblocks.
There are ways around it and I think thats the best thing to do it. You can virtually give anyone power of attorney and that solves it :)

bchgirl 10-07-2008 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by IndianaGirl (Post 2271945)
There are ways around it and I think thats the best thing to do it. You can virtually give anyone power of attorney and that solves it :)

Ours was never put to public vote. The bill was introduced and passed directly.

Nikki+2 10-07-2008 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2271960)
Ours was never put to public vote. The bill was introduced and passed directly.

Wow! Our prop will take a 60% public vote to pass.

bchgirl 10-07-2008 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikki+2 (Post 2272007)
Wow! Our prop will take a 60% public vote to pass.
We're part of the bible belt here. Ever hear of Pat Robinson? Virginia is very conservative in it's thinking.

It would've never passed as amendment either.

BubblPopElectrc 10-07-2008 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2272017)
Ever hear of Pat Robinson?
No.. :p

Nikki+2 10-07-2008 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2272017)
We're part of the bible belt here. Ever hear of Pat Robinson? Virginia is very conservative in it's thinking.

It would've never passed as amendment either.
LOL, yeah I could see that would be a hard amendment to pass in most of the south. I was just surprised it could be done without a vote.

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 08:34 AM
I know it will be overturned here. Right now its legal, but I know Prop 8 will pass. What happens to those already married?

bchgirl 10-07-2008 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by BubblPopElectrc (Post 2272029)
No.. :p
Well he's famous...he prays away our hurricanes.

Hope I don't get struck for that comment...actually I don't care who takes credit for any storm missing us....thank God they did.

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2272042)
Well he's famous...he prays away our hurricanes.

Hope I don't get struck for that comment...actually I don't care who takes credit for any storm missing us....thank God they did.
Does he do the HA LA LU YA??

bchgirl 10-07-2008 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikki+2 (Post 2272034)
LOL, yeah I could see that would be a hard amendment to pass in most of the south. I was just surprised it could be done without a vote.

Legislation that isn't put to public vote comes up all the time. The sole way to dispute them...is to contact our state legislators.

Indie...I guess those people would be un-married. :rolleyes: My understanding is the marriages aren't valid in all states. You get married say....in CA but it wouldn't be valid here in Va.

BubblPopElectrc 10-07-2008 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2272042)
Well he's famous...he prays away our hurricanes.

Hope I don't get struck for that comment...actually I don't care who takes credit for any storm missing us....thank God they did.
I was kidding.. I think you got his last name wrong (it's Robertson, right?).

I also hear he has full on conversations with God (in which God tells him all kinds of interesting things). Wasn't he the one who said Ellen hosting the Emmys was the cause of Katrina? :p

Nikki+2 10-07-2008 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2272054)
Legislation that isn't put to public vote comes up all the time. The sole way to dispute them...is to contact our state legislators.

Indie...I guess those people would be un-married. :rolleyes: My understanding is the marriages aren't valid in all states. You get married say....in CA but it wouldn't be valid here in Va.
Yeah it does here too. Just not usually on the bigger things that have strong public opinion. I guess it just depends on what constitutes strong opinion for each state to determine how much the government can get away with.

IndianaGirl sorry for going OT.:)

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikki+2 (Post 2272072)
Yeah it does here too. Just not usually on the bigger things that have strong public opinion. I guess it just depends on what constitutes strong opinion for each state to determine how much the government can get away with.

IndianaGirl sorry for going OT.:)
Off Topic works for me :)

bchgirl 10-07-2008 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by BubblPopElectrc (Post 2272056)
I was kidding.. I think you got his last name wrong (it's Robertson, right?).

I also hear he has full on conversations with God (in which God tells him all kinds of interesting things). Wasn't he the one who said Ellen hosting the Emmys was the cause of Katrina? :p
I knew you were kidding and yes...how digusting... I spelled his name wrong. LOL.


Yeah God tells Pat a lotta things...the rest of us are on a need to know basis I guess.

Btw, I don't think it was Ellen's sexuality that caused Katrina...may have been her performance though. Wasn't that one considered a real flop?

bchgirl 10-07-2008 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by IndianaGirl (Post 2272078)
Off Topic works for me :)
I'll apologize for bringing up religion in your...political thread. ;)

BubblPopElectrc 10-07-2008 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2272102)
I knew you were kidding and yes...how digusting... I spelled his name wrong. LOL.


Yeah God tells Pat a lotta things...the rest of us are on a need to know basis I guess.

Btw, I don't think it was Ellen's sexuality that caused Katrina...may have been her performance though. Wasn't that one considered a real flop?
LOL, that's a possibility. :p

MindieRose 10-07-2008 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by IndianaGirl (Post 2271945)
There are ways around it and I think thats the best thing to do it. You can virtually give anyone power of attorney and that solves it :)
Yes, its not like there are no options.

We have no proposals I dont believe as of yet concerning gay marriage this election. We had it last election and it did not pass. I voted against it last time and I will continue to. I don't believe CA "un-doing it" it would be a step backwards, I think allowing it is, IMO.
We have prop 1 and 2 as far as I have read. I know these are individual to each state :rolleyes: I thought someone had said from another state that theirs was the same as CAs, so I was just commenting on it. We have medicinal marajuana and embryonic stem cell research. We usually have a lot more, so I am wondering if I am just not seeing something?


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