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IndianaGirl 10-06-2008 03:20 PM
California Proposition 2 has me so upset & sad
 
I just saw the commercial. How can they show something so graphic and disturbing like that. I wish I had never seen it, but now I realize by showing what they did, people will be upset like me and vote for this. UGH, I only wish I could get that image out of my head :(
Has anyone else seen this? I hope you vote yes on it!!!! This upcoming election is more than just picking a new president, its challenging us to fix problems that get swept under the rug..Prop 8 is another big decision on the right to have gay marriage or not. Is California the only state contemplating this law?

MindieRose 10-06-2008 06:03 PM
In MI Prop 2 is the stem cell debate. I had to look up CA prop 2. I didnt see the whole proposal, but I do believe animals should be allowed to move around and not stay so confined. From the summery that I read on it, I would vote yes as well. My prop 2 however, will be getting a big fat no.

Nikki+2 10-07-2008 06:49 AM
We're not gettting the commercials here in FL of course but I know the HSUS is doing a donation drive to raise $200,000 to air a prop 2 commercial during Desperate Housewives. Here is a cute commercial for yes on prop 2 YES! on Prop 2 | Uncaged.

MindieRose 10-07-2008 07:02 AM
So does everyone have the same Prop 2 except me?

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikki+2 (Post 2271878)
We're not gettting the commercials here in FL of course but I know the HSUS is doing a donation drive to raise $200,000 to air a prop 2 commercial during Desperate Housewives. Here is a cute commercial for yes on prop 2 YES! on Prop 2 | Uncaged.
That was so funny! Thanks for sharing that :) They should show that one instead of the one I saw, I would still vote yes ;)

Nikki+2 10-07-2008 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by IndianaGirl (Post 2270919)
Prop 8 is another big decision on the right to have gay marriage or not. Is California the only state contemplating this law?
I sort of hate to open this can of worms but since you asked...:p
Florida's prop 2 is actually sort of concerning that. It is basically proposing that marriage be defined as a legal union between 1 man and 1 woman and no other unions be recognized or protected. It's written to be very confusing (surprise!:rolleyes:) because what it also does is eliminates protections and benefits for all unmarried partners, gay or straight. It also takes away family protections, health care insurance, hospital visitation and authority to make medical decisions for all unmarried couples. It permanently bans civil unions and domestic partner benefits. It is a bad bill regarless of your sexual orientation or beliefs regarding gay marriage. I'll be voting a big NO on our prop 2.

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 2271887)
So does everyone have the same Prop 2 except me?
I think its different in every state :confused:
I was wondering if any other states are debating over gay marriage? That is a big one here!

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikki+2 (Post 2271899)
I sort of hate to open this can of worms but since you asked...:p
Florida's prop 2 is actually sort of concerning that. It is basically proposing that marriage be defined as a legal union between 1 man and 1 woman and no other unions be recognized or protected. It's written to be very confusing (surprise!:rolleyes:) because what it also does is eliminates protections and benefits for all unmarried partners, gay or straight. It also takes away family protections, health care insurance, hospital visitation and authority to make medical decisions for all unmarried couples. It permanently bans civil unions and domestic partner benefits. It is a bad bill regarless of your sexual orientation or beliefs regarding gay marriage. I'll be voting a big NO on our prop 2.
Im wondering if all the things you said apply to this prop here in California. I have been looking into it and for California, churches, priests, etc are being forced to marry same sex couples and if they dont comply, they are being fined. I will look into it more, but for me Im voting YES on this prop 8. But Im glad you told me about the benefits etc, that is something to look into and consider :)

Nikki+2 10-07-2008 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MindieRose (Post 2271887)
So does everyone have the same Prop 2 except me?
No these would be amendments to your state constitution.

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Originally Posted by IndianaGirl (Post 2271890)
That was so funny! Thanks for sharing that :) They should show that one instead of the one I saw, I would still vote yes ;)
I haven't seen the one that you saw but I think it's also on the link I posted. I'm not going to watch it. I know how awful factory farming conditions are so I'm not going to torture myself. If anyone doesn't know, then I you might want to check it out.

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikki+2 (Post 2271910)
No these would be amendments to your state constitution.



I haven't seen the one that you saw but I think it's also on the link I posted. I'm not going to watch it. I know how awful factory farming conditions are so I'm not going to torture myself. If anyone doesn't know, then I you might want to check it out.
I cant watch anything like that either, Im a wreck for at least a week. This commercial I was so surprised they showed, it wasn't made for family TV. My hubby's birthday is November 4, which is voting day! He says he can't wait to get this all behind us, we are being bombarded with so much political stuff!

Nikki+2 10-07-2008 07:21 AM
I haven't studied CA's prop 8 (since I can't vote on it anyway:p) but my understanding of it is it's eliminating the state's constitutional right for same sex marriage. Same sex couples would have no legal rights for themselves or their families. Sounds like a step backward. I would vote no if I could but I know it's pretty controversial and personal issue.

eta- oops, sorry Indanagirl I meant to quote you. This was to your post a few up.

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Nikki+2 (Post 2271925)
I haven't studied CA's prop 8 (since I can't vote on it anyway:p) but my understanding of it is it's eliminating the state's constitutional right for same sex marriage. Same sex couples would have no legal rights for themselves or their families. Sounds like a step backward. I would vote no if I could but I know it's pretty controversial and personal issue.

eta- oops, sorry Indanagirl I meant to quote you. This was to your post a few up.
No worries on the quote :)
The thing that is so hard with some of these props is could hurt both sides. The prop 2 is a no brainer for me. There is no hurting a farmer or industry to be more humane to their livestock. But prop 8 has two sides that are being effected and its something I will give more thought too.

bchgirl 10-07-2008 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by IndianaGirl (Post 2271904)
I think its different in every state :confused:
I was wondering if any other states are debating over gay marriage? That is a big one here!

Here in Va it's already been decided...no on same sex marriages.

Were I gay....I would give my partner durable power of attorney which
would eliminate any issue over any medical care decision or legal issue that may arise.

I am not saying I'm against it...I'm just explaining a way around the roadblocks.

IndianaGirl 10-07-2008 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 2271940)
Here in Va it's already been decided...no on same sex marriages.

Were I gay....I would give my partner durable power of attorney which
would eliminate any issue over any medical care decision or legal issue that may arise.

I am not saying I'm against it...I'm just explaining a way around the roadblocks.
There are ways around it and I think thats the best thing to do it. You can virtually give anyone power of attorney and that solves it :)

bchgirl 10-07-2008 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by IndianaGirl (Post 2271945)
There are ways around it and I think thats the best thing to do it. You can virtually give anyone power of attorney and that solves it :)

Ours was never put to public vote. The bill was introduced and passed directly.


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