The Law! (Religious post)
 

:confused: About the Government!


This goes for Canada too as far as I'm concerned....I just know you'll agree ;-)
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Rose...

THE LAW IS THE LAW




This is one of the better e-mails I have received in a long time!


I hope this makes its way around the USA several times over!!!!!


So Be It!


THE LAW IS THE LAW




So if the US government determines that it is against the law for the words "under God" to be on our money,then, so be it.

And if that same government decides that the "Ten Commandments" are not to be used in or on a government installation, then, so be it.

And since they already have prohibited any prayer in the schools, on which they deem their authority, then so be it.

I say, "so be it," because I would like to be a law abiding US citizen.

I say, "so be it," because I would like to think that smarter people than I are in positions to make good decisions.

I would like to think that those people have the American Publics' best interests at heart.

BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I'D LIKE?

Since we can't pray to God, can't Trust in God and cannot Post His Commandments in Government buildings, I don't believe the Government and it's employees should participate in the Easter and Christmas celebrations which honor the God that our government is eliminating from many facets of American life.

I'd like my mail delivered on Christmas,

Good Friday,

Thanksgiving & Easter.

After all, it's just another day.



I'd like the US Supreme Court to be in session on Christmas,

Good Friday,

Thanksgiving

&

Easter

as well as Sundays. After all, it's just another day.



I'd like the Senate and the House of Representatives to not have to worry about getting home for the "Christmas Break." After all ~ it's just another day.



I'm thinking that a lot of my taxpayer dollars could be saved, if all government offices & services would work on Christmas, Good Friday & Easter.



It shouldn't cost any overtime since those would be just like any other day of the week to a government that is trying to be "politically correct".



In fact....

I think that our government should work on Sundays (initially set aside for worshipping God...) because, after all, our government says that it should be just another day....



What do you all think????

If this idea gets to enough people, maybe our elected officials will stop giving in to the minority opinions and begin, once again, to represent the 'majority' of ALL of the American people.

SO BE IT...........



Please Dear Lord,

Give us the help needed to keep you in our country!



'Amen' and 'Amen'



Touche!



These are definitely things I never thought about but from now on, I will! and I will be sure to questions those, in government, who support these changes .


At the top, it says "I hope this makes its way around the USA several times over!!!!!" Let's see that it does. Keep it in your mailbox and resend it whenever someone new comes along.

I will pass this around on some emails. So very true!

I don't know what happened with this today, but why are you allowed to start it again. The other thread is gone, so obviously it is not acceptable fcr this audience. I told my opinion of this today, and If it is done, stop the posting.

If you are a christian, this is not helping our cause. Grow up

Sorry, didn't me to offend you. I didn't see the first post.

If the post was deleted, I am sure the Admin would have PM'd Rose explaining why. Maybe it was part of the rules to put (Religious) after the title? It hasn't had that many hits & maybe that's why???

Very good! I've forwarded this to my friends!

what's up with this? :confused:

I actually wouldn't mind getting rid of those religious holidays in exchange for that! :thumbup:

Christmas....it annoys me having to second-guess what everyone wants and ending up with a $5,000 visa bill, and winding up with gifts you'll never use.

Easter....always hated pastels.

Good Friday....never fully understood what that holiday was for anyway.

Thanksgiving...that's not really about God, but the Pilgrims & Indians.

I wasn't offended or trying to offend someone. The same post was put up yesterday morning and had apparently been deleted.

I think this is the sort of thing that catches the eye of the athiest's etc, and before we know it, we won't have any of those holidays either. The company I worked for just eliminated good friday as a holiday due to it's christian nature. For some reason they have left christmas. Maybe they will just call it 'winter shutdown'.

The rest of us sit back and let it happen 'SO BE IT'

You can take God out of the official political government but you can't take him out of the hearts of his people, and that's what matters most. Jesus said render unto Caesar the things that are Caesars and unto God the things that are his. I don't mix my politics and my belief because to me, the Bible tells me not to. Politics are corrupt and God is pure, be patient and practice loving God and your neighbor, He will take care of the rest!
Just my opinion.

Thanksgiving was to thank God for making it through the first winter without dying of starvation or freezing to death. Today we celebrate it as a day to 'thank God' for all the blessings in our lives - our family, our health, our friends.

Good Friday was the day Jesus was crucified for our sins. Easter was the day he rose from the dead to live with his Father in heaven.

Amen to that!

oh man.

Are we allowed to post religious things on YT? :confused:

While I usually make it a point to stay out of these type of threads, since this post is touting "the law," I find it important to clarify a few things.

The words "separation of church and state" are not in the constitution. The constitution uses the following phrase "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

What this means is that Congress cannot legislate a religion (i.e. everyone has to practice Chrisitianity) and they cannot legislate agains the practice of a religion (i.e. it is against the law to practice budhism). This means that everyone is free to practice whatever religion they choose, regardless of what it is. That means as a nation we must tolerate all religions whether we agree with them or not. The problem with this is that many of those who don't want to practice what the majority practices, also don't want to tolerate it and they claim that by permitting someone to practice their relgion (i.e. allowing a class to pray in public school) they are being infringed upon when the fact is those praying have as much constitutional right to do so as do those who chose not to. So what is the answer? I don't know, but tolerance is definately the key -- not separation of church and state, which leads to religious censure, and is not what our forefathers wanted nor what they intended by the phrase they put in the constitution. Our forefathers were fleeing from government legislated religious persecution because of thier practice of Christianity and they founded this nation solely because they wanted to be able to practice their chosen Christianity without fear of persecution. I do not think they would be pleased with the idea of separation of church and state since it often means CHristianity can no longer be practiced in public places because it may "offend someone" -- that would not have been their idea of religious freedom.

Everyone prays when a pup is sick. Isn't that religious? If not, who is everyone praying to? :confused:

The right to personally bear arms is not in the constitution either, but crazy right wing extremists and pro gun people still love to pretend it is.

In the United States, separation of church and state is governed by the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution and by legal precedents interpreting that clause.

There are a variety of views regarding the degree of separation that should exist between church and state. Some, often referred to as secularists, assert that state should be kept entirely separate from religion. Others assert that the state ought to be permitted to become involved with religion (such as by giving financial support), but ought not establish one religion as the state religion, require religious observance, or legislate dogma. Others, sometimes known as theocrats, assert that the state should be inseparable from religion, and advocate an established church. A related topic is civil religion.

That is true, the phrase "separation of church and state" doesn't appear in the Constitution. There is a problem, however, in that some people draw incorrect conclusions from this fact. The absence of this phrase does not mean that it is an invalid concept or that it cannot be used as a legal or judicial principle.

The principle of a "religious liberty" exists behind in the First Amendment, even if those words are not actually there. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."
The point of such an amendment is twofold. First, it ensures that religious beliefs - private or organized - are removed from attempted government control. This is the reason why the government cannot tell either you or your church what to believe or to teach. Second, it ensures that the government does not get involved with enforcing, mandating, or promoting particular religious doctrines. This is what happens when the government "establishes" a church - and because doing so created so many problems in Europe, the authors of the Constitution wanted to try and prevent the same from happening here.
Can anyone deny that the First Amendment guarantees the principle of religious liberty, even though those words do not appear there? Similarly, the First Amendment guarantees the principle of the separation of church and state - by implication, because separating church and state is what allows religious liberty to exist. wikipedia/about



Kids should NOT (typo before) pray in public schools in an organized manner. No one should push their religion on me and I'll glady go to work on Christmas if it means that the religious right is no longer ruling this country.

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

I am assuming these comments were in response to my post. I am pretty certain the above comments except for the last three lines were cut and pasted directly from a website. I can certainly copy a website and paste some words that would say the exact opposite of those posted above for it has been and always will be a debated subject with very good points on both sides. However, I prefer to speak my own opinion, and not those of others.

If my post was correctly read, you would see that I say I don't know for sure what the answer is. I do know however, that separation of church and state is censure. By saying that religion of any form is not tolerated in the government, you are denying those in the government their freedom to practice the religion of their choice. I think everyone should be able to practice whatever religion they choose, however, to do so you also have to tolerate the practice of every one else's religion. That is my point. I'm assuming you are an atheist, and I respect that, but you must also respect the fact that I am a Christian, and not force me to censure my beliefs because they disagree with yours.

As a 3rd year law student, I certainly know that there are several judicial principles (i.e. freedom of speech and others) that have evolved over time from the Constitution, although they are not specifically written there. However I also know that doesn't always mean they were always correct. One thing we do know is that our forefathers who drafter the Constitution were religious men, they spoke of God regularly, and drafted several of our government's defining documents with religious words in them, so to say they advocated total separation of church and state when it is plainly obvious that they intentionally incorporated religious aspects into the goverment is absurd to me.

Also, I don't know what constitution was looked at when writing the first few sentences of that post, but the constitution cleary mentions a right to bear arms in the second amendment: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Oh, and for the record, I totally disagree with this and hate guns.

Yes, I cited them as about and wikipedia. They're not necessarily in response to your comments, just the "other side". I've written many a paper about this issue and I feel pretty passionate about it, but I figured that I couldn't say it better and cite the Constitution as well as those website I cited in my above post. (especially while I'm at work)

The right to bear arms, I beleive, was taken out of context by the NRA and other such organizations. I believe that the right mention in the Constitution was given to the militia and others. Consealed weapons, in my opinion, truly do nothing but hurt society -- especially big cities like mine (murder capitol of the country). But no one will ever be proven right or wrong on this issue since the people to ask have long been deceased.

I could go on an on about the topic, but I think we can all agree that its not appropriate for a dog forum.

Honestly, religion on YorkieTalk doesn't really bother me. I don't mind when people ask for prayers, etc. It just seems that someone is trying to promote religion the way a Jehovah's Witness would at my door step a few days a week.

I don't feel that way. Obviously this person is passionate not only about her yorkies but about God also. If someone doesn't like to read about religious stuff, they don't have to go to the thread...they could just ignore it. I think that it's nice that, for now, we have the option that we can read up on it...kinda like a daily devotional. :p

LMAO!! :D :D That is really funny.

Seriously though, Kristy, I too am very passionate about the subject. In fact, I find all Constitutional law issues exciting. I do hope you were not offended by me (the lawyer in me can get a little riled up) as I was not by your post in any way. :) And I agree with you about the gun issue totally. As for the religion one, I'm sure we can agree to disagree. ;) Still YT friends? :D

Txshopper73 -- I agree. I have been enjoying reading the religious threads and have also been using them as daily devotionals. :)

tara & kimberley - yes, everyone is my friend! :D

the first post was deleted two other times and reposted each time without any warning of what was in it. a dozen of prayers and other things were posted with no warning of what they were. i opened them thinking that i was going to hear about someone's "best day ever" but instead I was reading about God and how he and Jesus are going to judge me and send me to hell. no thanks!

:confused: :eek: guess I missed those posts!

Kristy - Are you my long lost twin ;)

Yes! actually, i am ;)

You are rite religious threads where deleted, but I think admin said that she can post them as long it was indicated in the subject it was a religious post.
Im so sorry if I offended you in any way, was not my intention. Like someone said before, I agreed to disagreed.

You're right Marie. I am not offended at all. I just wanted to be sure that everyone realizes that I am not just freaking out over this one post.