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whispersmom2 · 06-25-2005, 10:08 AM

I do NOT have to allow someone I do not want to enter my home! I do NOT need a reason other than "I do not want you in my home so get off my property!" My dogs are in my home. If I owned a business I would not have that right..I would have to allow the most undesirables into my shop unless they created problems...and if they challenged MY decision NOT to sell an animal to them, then what? I honestly do not know because I do not know the law in every state in the union. OR ARE THEY ALL THE SAME? That would be a first..
You can bet there is a difference between my home and my activities and those in a business...
Hunte Corp is one of the largest puppy brokers in the nation. I have seen an expose that gave the figure of 85,000 puppies placed in one year by that corp. We cannot believe everything we hear so say even half that many is more accurate. There is big money in puppy milling and no matter what name it is called, there is not a good puppy miller in the world. Go onto most sites that look into the business of dog breeding or rescue sites and you can see for yourself and then make the decision for yourself whether you would keep YOUR OWN puppies/dogs in the exact same conditions. I, for one, would NOT!!!!!!! I would hope and pray that you would not, either. But if you honestly say "yes, I see nothing wrong with those conditions and starting this minute that is how my babies will live", could you look in a mirror every morning and see your own face and feel no guilt? Unfortunately, some would!
Thankfully, most would not!
These are the opinions of the writer and do not reflect the policies of this forum....

natalie · 06-25-2005, 11:16 AM

I'm not a supporter of any kind of Pet Store. But, I do understand the mistakes or choices of buying from Pet Stores. Sometimes, people can get attached to a dog they see at the mall and being naive of where that dog came from.. people spontaneously buy it because they had already fell in love with it. I think that could happen to any of us if we did not know about puppy mills. Wherever it's from, I just hope that s/he is a happy, healthy little dog.

I just can't fathom having puppies in cages all day long, regardless of whether it's 10 breeds and 20 dogs or just 1 breed with 5 dogs. Or regardless of if it is a chain Pet Store or a family owned Pet Store. But that's strictly me and my opinion. I would hate to know that Fred was stuffed in a cage for hours on end everyday in a show window overlooking all of these people pass him by not knowing the comfort of Mommy's lap or the feeling of being held while he was asleep but rather the coldness of the metal wires on his paws that seperated him from the dog beneath him. It would break my heart as much as it broke his.

As far as refusing the pet to someone, under the law against discrimination in public accommodations, you can refuse sell without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin. But, with disregard to the law, I think it would be a lot easier to refuse sale to someone if you are a private breeder. Imagine a store clerk refusing sale to a young couple because the store clerk thought they were not fit to own a puppy based on the fact that they are too young. The customer would probably be enraged. Who is the store clerk to tell them that they are not ready for a puppy? The store clerk does not know them and does not know their lifestyle. But, if someone were to be declined of ownership to a puppy by a reputable breeder whom has been breeding for years, I think it would be taken more lightly because they are private breeders and are more knowledgeable of who or who not to sell a puppy to. Hopefully that makes sense. I tried to do a "in a nutshell" type explanation. And it's all my opinion!

red98vett · 06-25-2005, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by MrsHollman

Sadly.. my first post here is on this topic.

I bought the most adorable loveable Yorkie 4 months ago at a local PetStore. We were not planning to buy a pet.. just took the kids out browsing for the day. When I saw him I HAD to hold him and when he licked me... I had to have him. Hubby said we should think about it. I went to the grocery store (crying) and came home and pouted for another hour. I knew I had to have him. In the middle of dinner... hubby grabbed his keys and said lets bring him home!

Chewie is the light of our families life! BUT.. I will never ever buy from a Pet store again. All we can do is draw from our own experiences. My lil Yorkie had Kennel cough for 4 months. Wasnt allowed to leave the house, go outside, take puppy classes... NOTHING! Was so sick.. we had to postpone rabies shots. I bought him for 1,000.00 and spent another 500 getting him well. Plus 300 for private in home puppy lessons. Now I am fighting with the store to get reimbursed for all the costs due to his illness.

I can not and will not speak for others.. nor will I judge others for their personal decisions. I will only say that in my opinion... for ME, I will never make that horrible mistake again. My next Yorkie will be from a reputable breeder.. I dont care how long the waiting list is.

I'm so sorry to hear about your baby...thank you for sharing this - it's why most of us want pet stores to STOP selling puppies. I hope you have all the health problems behind you - and you have a healthy baby now ...and I'd love to see a pictures,

SoCalyorkiLvr · 06-25-2005, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Kim..if I an 80 woman goes to "Just Pups" in the mall and ask to buy a Rottie. The store owner says he feels a Rottie is not a good choice for her lifestyle and refuses, do you mean to say she has no recourse under the law? He does not mention age or any reason, just not the dog for her. I think an attonery would have field day with that case. LOL

IMO, this is not legal advice and I could be wrong, the woman in your analogy has the same recourse under the law whether it is a retail store clerk or a breeder selling out of her home. She has potential recourse ether way, but if it is handled properly and you have an application and interview process that is applied to everyone equally, she would not prevail in a lawsuit. No attorneys would be having field days.

This is all civil, no criminal, so no Martha Stewarts here! LOL! No orced vacations!

Brittie123 · 06-25-2005, 03:04 PM

Oh my dear Lord, yet another legal debate. What does it matter, PET SHOPS ARE BAD!!! I dont think anyone here after becoming educated on puppymills would patron a pet shop to buy a puppy, so what you arguing about?

jesscruz · 06-25-2005, 03:10 PM

these posts are really long...kinda hard to read.

red98vett · 06-25-2005, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Brittie123

Oh my dear Lord, yet another legal debate. What does it matter, PET SHOPS ARE BAD!!! I dont think anyone here after becoming educated on puppymills would patron a pet shop to buy a puppy, so what you arguing about?

thank you - you're right

SoCalyorkiLvr · 06-25-2005, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Brittie123

Oh my dear Lord, yet another legal debate. What does it matter, PET SHOPS ARE BAD!!! I dont think anyone here after becoming educated on puppymills would patron a pet shop to buy a puppy, so what you arguing about?

It's not an "argument", it's a discussion. Everyone is curious about the law and whether the same laws apply to a breeder selling from her home and one selling from a retail location. There are several breeders onthis forum who have expressed concern over allowing people to come to their homes to purchase the puppies for fear of theft or even physical harm. There are breeders out there who own grooming businesses and use their shops to sell their puppies. These are not the retail stores you are against that get their puppies from puppy mills. These are legitimate and reputable breeders who are thinking of what is best for their dogs and their family.

We do not all share your opinion that all "PET SHOPS ARE BAD" as the member who started this thread so eloquently stated and several others have agreed with. If you are going to get so upset by these important and educational discussions, then please ignore them.

Bentley'sMom · 06-25-2005, 11:18 PM

This thread has been interesting reading.

I was very disgusted with my parents recently because despite my educating them about the dangers of pet stores and their usual association with puppy mills, they informed me two weeks ago that they bought a new yorkie puppy at their local pet shop (in South Dakota). My parents have a 7 year old yorkie already and while my dad was shopping for fish for their new pond, he spotted the yorkies they had for sale. Needless to say, they ended up buying one. They were afraid to tell me as they knew I would disapprove. Their defense was "this is the way we do things", meaning they would only buy another yorkie on impulse and not take the time to do the research and find a good breeder. The interesting thing I found was that the pet store said that the yorkies were from a breeder in Iowa and were papered and also gave them the phone number of the breeder if they had any questions. This gives me hope that it wasn't a puppy mill. One big red flag for me is the fact that Sophie (their new yorkie) was only 8 weeks old. This is rather young for a breeder to part with new puppies (and give them to a pet store). I also find it hard to believe that a breeder would give up all control on who the puppies are sold to (in my experience buying from breeders this has been very important and has involved vigurous questioning to ensure I was a suitable "parent").

This is just my opinion, but I cannot imagine using our furbabies for the sole purpose of making a profit, which is what is seems this type of "breeder" would do by selling to a pet store. To me a good breeder is one that does it to improve the breed and can't bear to part with the babies, but must do so and does it with great care. There are also those breeders who don't show, but do it for the love of yorkie puppies and they also hate to part with their puppies and do it with great care. I do not believe either of these would fathom selling their puppies to a pet store and not knowing who the puppies would end up with.

I hope no one is offended by my opinion because I know everyon'e opinion and experience is different. I usually don't get involved in controversial issues, but this has been on my mind due to my parents' recent experience. So far Sophie is doing really well and they are very happy. I can't wait to meet her next month when I go to visit! I've attached a picture of her.
Tricia

ingallsra · 06-26-2005, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

It's not an "argument", it's a discussion. Everyone is curious about the law and whether the same laws apply to a breeder selling from her home and one selling from a retail location. There are several breeders onthis forum who have expressed concern over allowing people to come to their homes to purchase the puppies for fear of theft or even physical harm. There are breeders out there who own grooming businesses and use their shops to sell their puppies. These are not the retail stores you are against that get their puppies from puppy mills. These are legitimate and reputable breeders who are thinking of what is best for their dogs and their family.

We do not all share your opinion that all "PET SHOPS ARE BAD" as the member who started this thread so eloquently stated and several others have agreed with. If you are going to get so upset by these important and educational discussions, then please ignore them.

Thank-you!! It's been my experience that tolerance/respect of a person's views isn't usually a two-way street.

red98vett · 06-26-2005, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ingallsra

Thank-you!! It's been my experience that tolerance/respect of a person's views isn't usually a two-way street.

I'm all for 2 views on a subject ....but THIS thread seems to never end. The point isn't that all PET SHOPS ARE BAD....of course there are a FEW good ones...The point is to NOT ALLOW THEM TO SELL LIVE animals. IF they were stopped from this practice then PUPPY MILLS would have NO CLIENTS.

The selling of live animals needs to be stopped so the MASS breeding will stop or slow down.........and THAT MEANS PET SHOPS both good and bad. THEY are the biggest client of mills. Period. I get sick every time I hear its ok to shop in pet stores.

HOW can any defend the conditions and breeding practices these poor animals live in ? I just now tried to stay away from this thread ....but this really sends out the wrong signals to people.

I think the person defending pet stores would change their tune after spending time with a poor puppy who just got shipped in a cage hundreds of miles only to arrive to ANOTHER cage sick and lonely...needing human contact and slowly dying from neglect and parasites. Tell me what is GOOD about this practice ? not to mention the Living conditions they were born into...I witness first hand what happens to a pet store puppy that won't sell - it was sickening.

sorry everyone....I get Passionate about this ....and seeing OVER AND OVER here that it's ok to shop Pet Stores blows me away.

red98vett · 06-26-2005, 04:00 AM

ps...I'm sure my post will get deleted but I really hope yorkietalk joins the fight against pet stores and gives defending pet stores the same attention. It's the same person who just will not give up defending them and I don't understand it at all.

diva pup · 06-26-2005, 05:15 AM

Bentleys mom//This is just my opinion, but I cannot imagine using our furbabies for the sole purpose of making a profit, which is what is seems this type of "breeder" would do by selling to a pet store. To me a good breeder is one that does it to improve the breed and can't bear to part with the babies, but must do so and does it with great care. There are also those breeders who don't show, but do it for the love of yorkie puppies and they also hate to part with their puppies and do it with great care. I do not believe either of these would fathom selling their puppies to a pet store and not knowing who the puppies would end up with.

I think you said it perfectly bentleys mom.
And Villette is right . As long as there are pet stores selling puppies the puppy millers will stay in business. That is what we should be working against.
The occasional mom and pop stores that breed puppies can just sell out of their home, like everyone else that is reputable.How hard is that?

YorkieRose · 06-26-2005, 05:51 AM

I will try to make this short as I have said enough....
Many yrs ago I was friendly with a woman who owned a pet shop in Camp Springs, MD. She was a very nice, ordered special food (ANF) for me..any product I could not find.
She wanted to sell my pups from her shop, but that did not sit right with me.

She asked me once if I would like to keep her company on a short trip to pick up some puppies from a couple breeders who supplied the shop. YOU BET!!!

The first place was just across the Maryland line in a small PA town. It was a rural area and we pulled up to a place that had three single wide mobile homes on it. The breeder was outside and openned the door of the first trailer...out came about 30 Yorkies, Pom, and Chi's so matted an dirty I barely knew what they were. Inside it was Africa hot..no AC..pens of screaming, barking pups..begging for a breath of fresh air. I could not put one foot in front of the other..I might as well have been in a concentration camp..total shock. The other 2 trailers were the same..there had to be 100 toy dogs in 3 small trailers...the owner did not even live onthe property!

The smell, the filith, the heat was awful..the urine burned my eyes so bad.
My friend crated up a couple dozen pups and we left.

The next place was worse...I had to go back to the van. She saw how upset I was..her response..."Welcome to the world of dog breeders!"
NO....I am a dog breeder, these people are uncaring, money hungry monsters.

I tried to stay friends with her, but everytime I went into that shop I started to cry.
There are times in life we must take a stand and b counted..count me Anti Pet shop.

red98vett · 06-26-2005, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Inside it was Africa hot..no AC..pens of screaming, barking pups..begging for a breath of fresh air. I could not put one foot in front of the other..I might as well have been in a concentration camp..total shock. The other 2 trailers were the same..there had to be 100 toy dogs in 3 small trailers...the owner did not even live onthe property!

The smell, the filith, the heat was awful..the urine burned my eyes so bad.
My friend crated up a couple dozen pups and we left.

The next place was worse...I had to go back to the van. She saw how upset I was..her response..."Welcome to the world of dog breeders!"
NO....I am a dog breeder, these people are uncaring, money hungry monsters.

There are times in life we must take a stand and b counted..count me Anti Pet shop.

Thank you Pat...I agree 100% and you have personally witnessed what we're talking about.... As a long time breeder - your experience is very valuable....I hope EVERYONE reads your post even if they read nothing else on this thread.

I got chills reading this and would have nightmares over seeing this for real.

06-25-2005, 10:08 AM	#46
whispersmom2 Inactive Account Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MD Posts: 2,985	I do NOT have to allow someone I do not want to enter my home! I do NOT need a reason other than "I do not want you in my home so get off my property!" My dogs are in my home. If I owned a business I would not have that right..I would have to allow the most undesirables into my shop unless they created problems...and if they challenged MY decision NOT to sell an animal to them, then what? I honestly do not know because I do not know the law in every state in the union. OR ARE THEY ALL THE SAME? That would be a first.. You can bet there is a difference between my home and my activities and those in a business... Hunte Corp is one of the largest puppy brokers in the nation. I have seen an expose that gave the figure of 85,000 puppies placed in one year by that corp. We cannot believe everything we hear so say even half that many is more accurate. There is big money in puppy milling and no matter what name it is called, there is not a good puppy miller in the world. Go onto most sites that look into the business of dog breeding or rescue sites and you can see for yourself and then make the decision for yourself whether you would keep YOUR OWN puppies/dogs in the exact same conditions. I, for one, would NOT!!!!!!! I would hope and pray that you would not, either. But if you honestly say "yes, I see nothing wrong with those conditions and starting this minute that is how my babies will live", could you look in a mirror every morning and see your own face and feel no guilt? Unfortunately, some would! Thankfully, most would not! These are the opinions of the writer and do not reflect the policies of this forum.... Last edited by whispersmom2; 06-25-2005 at 10:11 AM.

06-25-2005, 03:10 PM	#51
jesscruz YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: seaside,ca Posts: 1,763	these posts are really long...kinda hard to read. __________________ mommy's little baby coco bear

06-25-2005, 11:18 PM	#54
Bentley'sMom YT Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Redmond, WA Posts: 299	This thread has been interesting reading. I was very disgusted with my parents recently because despite my educating them about the dangers of pet stores and their usual association with puppy mills, they informed me two weeks ago that they bought a new yorkie puppy at their local pet shop (in South Dakota). My parents have a 7 year old yorkie already and while my dad was shopping for fish for their new pond, he spotted the yorkies they had for sale. Needless to say, they ended up buying one. They were afraid to tell me as they knew I would disapprove. Their defense was "this is the way we do things", meaning they would only buy another yorkie on impulse and not take the time to do the research and find a good breeder. The interesting thing I found was that the pet store said that the yorkies were from a breeder in Iowa and were papered and also gave them the phone number of the breeder if they had any questions. This gives me hope that it wasn't a puppy mill. One big red flag for me is the fact that Sophie (their new yorkie) was only 8 weeks old. This is rather young for a breeder to part with new puppies (and give them to a pet store). I also find it hard to believe that a breeder would give up all control on who the puppies are sold to (in my experience buying from breeders this has been very important and has involved vigurous questioning to ensure I was a suitable "parent"). This is just my opinion, but I cannot imagine using our furbabies for the sole purpose of making a profit, which is what is seems this type of "breeder" would do by selling to a pet store. To me a good breeder is one that does it to improve the breed and can't bear to part with the babies, but must do so and does it with great care. There are also those breeders who don't show, but do it for the love of yorkie puppies and they also hate to part with their puppies and do it with great care. I do not believe either of these would fathom selling their puppies to a pet store and not knowing who the puppies would end up with. I hope no one is offended by my opinion because I know everyon'e opinion and experience is different. I usually don't get involved in controversial issues, but this has been on my mind due to my parents' recent experience. So far Sophie is doing really well and they are very happy. I can't wait to meet her next month when I go to visit! I've attached a picture of her. Tricia Attached Thumbnails

06-26-2005, 04:00 AM	#57
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	ps...I'm sure my post will get deleted but I really hope yorkietalk joins the fight against pet stores and gives defending pet stores the same attention. It's the same person who just will not give up defending them and I don't understand it at all. __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE!

06-26-2005, 05:51 AM	#59
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	Pssss I will try to make this short as I have said enough.... Many yrs ago I was friendly with a woman who owned a pet shop in Camp Springs, MD. She was a very nice, ordered special food (ANF) for me..any product I could not find. She wanted to sell my pups from her shop, but that did not sit right with me. She asked me once if I would like to keep her company on a short trip to pick up some puppies from a couple breeders who supplied the shop. YOU BET!!! The first place was just across the Maryland line in a small PA town. It was a rural area and we pulled up to a place that had three single wide mobile homes on it. The breeder was outside and openned the door of the first trailer...out came about 30 Yorkies, Pom, and Chi's so matted an dirty I barely knew what they were. Inside it was Africa hot..no AC..pens of screaming, barking pups..begging for a breath of fresh air. I could not put one foot in front of the other..I might as well have been in a concentration camp..total shock. The other 2 trailers were the same..there had to be 100 toy dogs in 3 small trailers...the owner did not even live onthe property! The smell, the filith, the heat was awful..the urine burned my eyes so bad. My friend crated up a couple dozen pups and we left. The next place was worse...I had to go back to the van. She saw how upset I was..her response..."Welcome to the world of dog breeders!" NO....I am a dog breeder, these people are uncaring, money hungry monsters. I tried to stay friends with her, but everytime I went into that shop I started to cry. There are times in life we must take a stand and b counted..count me Anti Pet shop.

06-25-2005, 11:16 AM	#47
natalie Owned by Fred Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,352	I'm not a supporter of any kind of Pet Store. But, I do understand the mistakes or choices of buying from Pet Stores. Sometimes, people can get attached to a dog they see at the mall and being naive of where that dog came from.. people spontaneously buy it because they had already fell in love with it. I think that could happen to any of us if we did not know about puppy mills. Wherever it's from, I just hope that s/he is a happy, healthy little dog. I just can't fathom having puppies in cages all day long, regardless of whether it's 10 breeds and 20 dogs or just 1 breed with 5 dogs. Or regardless of if it is a chain Pet Store or a family owned Pet Store. But that's strictly me and my opinion. I would hate to know that Fred was stuffed in a cage for hours on end everyday in a show window overlooking all of these people pass him by not knowing the comfort of Mommy's lap or the feeling of being held while he was asleep but rather the coldness of the metal wires on his paws that seperated him from the dog beneath him. It would break my heart as much as it broke his. As far as refusing the pet to someone, under the law against discrimination in public accommodations, you can refuse sell without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin. But, with disregard to the law, I think it would be a lot easier to refuse sale to someone if you are a private breeder. Imagine a store clerk refusing sale to a young couple because the store clerk thought they were not fit to own a puppy based on the fact that they are too young. The customer would probably be enraged. Who is the store clerk to tell them that they are not ready for a puppy? The store clerk does not know them and does not know their lifestyle. But, if someone were to be declined of ownership to a puppy by a reputable breeder whom has been breeding for years, I think it would be taken more lightly because they are private breeders and are more knowledgeable of who or who not to sell a puppy to. Hopefully that makes sense. I tried to do a "in a nutshell" type explanation. And it's all my opinion!

06-25-2005, 03:04 PM	#50
Brittie123 No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 288	Oh my dear Lord, yet another legal debate. What does it matter, PET SHOPS ARE BAD!!! I dont think anyone here after becoming educated on puppymills would patron a pet shop to buy a puppy, so what you arguing about?

06-26-2005, 05:15 AM	#58
diva pup BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,139	Bentleys mom//This is just my opinion, but I cannot imagine using our furbabies for the sole purpose of making a profit, which is what is seems this type of "breeder" would do by selling to a pet store. To me a good breeder is one that does it to improve the breed and can't bear to part with the babies, but must do so and does it with great care. There are also those breeders who don't show, but do it for the love of yorkie puppies and they also hate to part with their puppies and do it with great care. I do not believe either of these would fathom selling their puppies to a pet store and not knowing who the puppies would end up with. I think you said it perfectly bentleys mom. And Villette is right . As long as there are pet stores selling puppies the puppy millers will stay in business. That is what we should be working against. The occasional mom and pop stores that breed puppies can just sell out of their home, like everyone else that is reputable.How hard is that?