I think it's strange too that he's been a member for almost two years and has only posted 20-something times. I know a lot of people mostly read, but why use one of your very few posts to start a heated thread? At least read all the replies and participate in the discussion you started...and not just write a follow-up post basically ignoring what others have said

Chris e, I am not a breeder or do I show but would have loved to at one time. I can attest to the fact that you can get a wonderful pet from a show breeder for less than you would pay at a pet store or on the internet. I did just that and got a champion and on top of that a healthy one on top of that and this 13 yr. old is sitting on my lap at this moment.

I just wonder if you just might be a former show breeder disenchanted when your dog was not winning as much as you would have liked. This is how I read it and only me I guess, you seem to have an ax to grind:confused:

Well you win some and you lose some but I think lots of members who posted
can see the entire picture with more clarity now than before so that wasn't a total loss.

chris E, to me a BYB and a hobby breeder are not the same as you referred to them. i consider myself a hobby breeder. unless I am not understanding, a BYB is one that just cranks puppies out and will sell to anyone with the money. A hobby breeder cares where the dogs go. I just got a very rude pm from a lady (fellow breeder) that I removed from my waiting list because of her EIGHT children. i had put her on it before i found out. That was my fault but I don't contact people or anything other than take names until I have puppies available then i do the weeding out and checking. I simply told her it is against my policy. she took issue with the fact that I removed her without asking her for references or anything. Frankly, once all those children came to light, I didn't need to ask her for references or anything else. Case in point, a BYB would have sold to her no matter what but i would rather have her very upset at me (she is and said some very rude things) that sell her my puppy.

The Golden Retriever would be a wonderful breed for the lady with eight children.

yes it would but i am not going to be contacting her anymore after her very rude pm. It is my choice who gets my dogs and I pick what I feel is the best home for them. i think most every breeder on this thread, show or hobby alwayss wants the very best for their babies.

I agree If some one is rude why would you even want to talk to them much less let them raise one of your sweet pets.
good for you :)

I was educated on YT not to buy a pet store/puppy mill dog. Max is one and I love him so much, but to support puppy mills is to support abuse of innocent animals. I was also educated that trusting internet ads and many (not all) "backyard breeders" is a terrible idea. You can be scammed or, worse, a dog with health problems.

I was then mentored to buy a pet quality dog from a show breeder in order to ensure that my Gracie Leigh is healthy, strong, has a good temperament, has been cared for, well fed, and many other things that show breeders do for their pups.

I was happy to pay what she cost, which was less than a lot of pet stores and backyard breeders cost, although she wasn't cheap. I have a lifetime guarantee, I know her mother, her sisters and brothers, she's healthy, came to me loved, and I can call her breeder whenever I need.

If I couldn't have afforded her, I could have saved up until I had the money.
I'm thrilled with her and feel that I not only bought a wonderful little girl, but I paid for the expertise and caring and years of breeding with integrity that her breeder has. Like the commercial says "That's priceless."

What this basically means is that you can pay $5000 for a dog or $300 for a dog, but at the end of the day the best physical looking dogs aren't always the healthiest and the worst looking dogs aren't always the unhealthiest. You have to look at this from both ends of the spectrum and not just from "my dog is healthy because its AKC registered". Regardless, if I fell in love with a $5000 dollar Yorkie or a $300 dollar Yorkie, then by all means he/she would be mine.

Previous posts do mention supply and demand and that is probably the largest factor in pricing. I would say the next largest factor is location of this Yorkie.

The OP reminds me a lot of another recent poster who was finally banned. Some people enjoy provoking others. Just my opinion.

See if you agree with me. Go to http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26568
for the one and only other thread this person has ever posted.

I'm going to unsubscribe from this thread. I have better things to do with
my time, although it was good to chat with you guys.

If she was rude I understand why you wouldn't give her on of your babies.. but what about the 8 kids that made you not sell her a pup (had a child under 7-8)? Did you ask more info on her and her financial situation to see if she had the best possible care of the pup in hand if she were to get one? I mean, Wouldn't the dog get MORE love because there was more people in the house to give him/her attention.. And if they had children less then 7-8 you could have stressed how you can wait later and talk about other ways to get one or to tell her another breed that would have been best... My Great Aunt has 9 kids (1died.. 1 triplet.. 2 sets of twins) and has 3 chihuahuas.. She has a daughter that is 9 and don't allow her to hold the pets or anything unless someone is with her... they are with someone all of the time.... Anyway, I would be upset too when someone takes me off their list and don't even try to tell me why and see what the situation is and see how things would have been.... BUT.. They are your pups and It is your decision:D . so I guess they can find another breeder....

To add to that Dee you did see that you should have asked her these questions before you put her on a waiting list. Of course it benefits you but the people waiting on a waiting list for and not get a pup because you do your checking later really isn't fair to your buyer. She must have told the kids that they would be getting a yorkie and I think I would be a bit upset too.

I understand that you want a yorkie to go to the best possible person, I would too but you have to understand why she would be a little miffed.

Well I'm going back to the ball game.

Crystalsmom and love me cody....You both bring up excellent points. I for one prescreen my potential families long before I ever do a breeding. I have a very strict criteria, but doing prescreening helps eliminate confusion.

Great! That's what I believe a true breeder does. The breeder I'm getting my dog from is screening me now. Someone backed out on buying a pup and he will see if that pup personality match mine to see if I get him at the end...

Time and effort was definitely wasted on the OP, but I think alot of us learned by this thread. The OP should go take a look at some of the yorkies on the show forum, but then I doubt if he'll ever "get it".:rolleyes:

I'm sure everyone else added their 2 cents worth in, I'll add mine.

I was thinking if I got a girl, I could breed and make a 2ond income. Mind you, I knew nothing about breeding at that time.

After getting my girl (already had a boy), I hung and read up as much as I could about breeding Yorkies in our breeding section here.

Thats when I learned if my girl was smaller than my boy, I'd have to have a C section ($3,000 if taken into emergency room) and could possibly loose my girl.

I also learned that Yorkies don't have as many pups as "dogs I grew up with". Sometimes they only have like 2-4 pups. Then you have to pay to register, play to get tails docked, dew claws removed, and have to be very careful of loosing a pup if Mom doesn't give enough milk for all. Thats every 2 or so hours, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, till it eats on its own.

And if the worst comes, you loose the Mom in childbirth cause you couldn't afford to go to emergency with her, you have to feed pups, every 2 hours 24 hours a day those first 8 or more weeks.

You have to know the exact day they bread, as you need to know the exact day she'll give birth, to avoid emergency C section.

I don't know how breeders do this.

The 2 I have keep me pretty much tied down at home. But when I want to go out of town, not hard to pay someone to take care of 2. But what if I needed to go out of town on family emergency and I had puppies I had to feed, a preg female about to give birth? Who would take care of that? I couldn't turn that over to just someone "trustworthy with keeping my babies", as giving birth isn't an easy task, and there is so much to learn.

Didn't take me long to realize, that breeding Yorkies, wasn't easy as breeding your "average dog".

Most of the expenses that come with the breeding, I decided wasn't worth me getting into. I could start out loosing money before I made a dime off pups. Loosing my girl, or a pup would kill me!

After hanging in the breeding section here, and learning "some" of the things that goes with it, I had both of mine fixed.....knowing breeding wasn't for me. Good thing I did, as my female is still smaller than my male (hence, C secion, or possibly loosing female).

I learned that breeding Yorkies was nothing like breeding your "average" larger dogs that throw off 10 puppies.

Great Post Bnot:thumbup: :thumbup: and very true:thumbup:

Wow, long thread!!! I'm just throwing my 2cents in...:D

Original poster has got some nerve going on about how people should donate to a rescue rather than paying a "high price" for a pup - when this person donated not once, but twice to the puppy mill industry. :eek: Then just to blow it of with "by-gones...", anyway...

I appreciate all the love, time, and money that breeders put forth to produce the best babies for us. They deserve sooo much more for all their work, so how could one complain about a price? If you ask me how much my pups are worth I'd tell you in a second they are priceless.

If the issue is feeling bad for those who can't afford something - well that's pretty naive. I'd love a Mercedes or an Aston Martin but I can't afford it. Do I go around complaining "why do these companies charge so much?? they need to slash the price so everyone can afford it"?? That's ridiculous.

That's all :D :D :D

That's just what Yorkies go for...they're small and they require more care...and they are VERY desired right now for MANY reasons (I think we could all name a million...:D )...are you going to go and b**** to a car salesmen (using your^ idea...sorry) about how much a BMW costs?? No. Supply and demand...that's a HUGE part of it. Plus I would honestly have to say that I have NEVER regretted ONE penny spent on my babies. They are WORTH whatever the breeder is asking...true breeders make only a tiny profit, if any, from raising Yorkies...don't buy one if you think they're too expensive! :rolleyes:

i am in korea for the summer and i went into the vet to buy my cousins some doggy treats and they sold puppies there (random eh?)
i saw 3 yorkie puppies and fell in love with one. i even named it. mozart :P (not sure if the puppy is even a girl or a boy) i know i can't buy a yorkie until i'm done school and plan on doing so when i take a year off to work in korea. i was talking to the vet, and yorkies in korea go for $300-400.
they used to be most sought out puppies, but now its not the most but its pretty up there. yorkies are considered expansive compared to other dogs of its size. malteses go for $150. i don't know why dogs are so cheap in korea. i'm still trying to figure it out.

but getting back to the original post. i do agree! i bought my mickey 10 years ago for $400 and so did most of my friends back then. and now, yorkies are going for $2grand+!!! i want another dog and refuse to pay such price. so i plan on buying a puppy when i'm back next year to teach. its hard to find informations about breeders in korea.

in no way did i mean to offend anyone, i wont buy from a pet store and i do agree that everyone should research before buying. i was just saying the at the pet stores near me yorkies go for 400-500 dollars and for some that dont know or care its tempting to buy a yorkie from the store. i do think that responsible breeders are the way to go.

I think that prices are hugely different in different parts of the country and based on what you are looking for. Females tend to be more and smaller ones tend to be more. Personally here in California if a yorkie was under $1,000 I would question it because the norm is that most are a lot more. There are dogs available for a lot less and if that's what someone wants then I think it is a good thing that you can find one anywhere from $200 to $10,000 so there are lots of options. That way everyone can have a yorkie and there are more to go around!!!!

wow! petshops in toronto charge more than breeders!
i do agree with doing research and not buying from pet stores.
i think its just matter of getting the information out to the public

I have not read every post on this thread, I do not have time but I saw this and wanted to comment on it. Pet store prices usually even the nastiest pet stores prices are usually higher than buying from a reputable breeder. They rarely offer a health guarantee and they will often sell you a sick puppy. There is nothing cheap about a pet store puppy.

It's funny you say that, my husband got my yorkie for xmas from a pet store and paid, ready for this, $2,500 for him. I thought this was alot, but then i hear of people pay anywhere from $1,000 to $2,000 for one. My guy was already neutered and microchipped, but i thouth it was alot of money.

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& when they DO offer a health guarantee is a 3-day "smoke screen" deal. Upon reading the fine print you'll realize they won't cover anything that will happen bc they have so many loopholes that benefit them. A former coworker of mine purchase a "tea cup" yorkie from a pet store for a crazy price then had to pay thousands on top of that to keep the baby alive.

I swore I wasn't going to post this, but I can't help it.

Diva has 2 boy puppies. My first litter. So far my expenses with JUST the pregnancy and litter are:

$600 stud fee ( cheap because the stud owner is a friend)
$127 first vet visit to check mom out and check out puppies
$46 to dock tails and remove dew claws at 2 days old
$75 emergency visit after my smallest of 2 literally died on me for no known reason and I had to do CPR to bring him back while my 16 year old daughter rushed us to the vet! Talk about emotional! I had just lost my yorkie Coco to a tragic accident 2 days before!
$89 for whelping supplies to have on hand in case I needed them. Thank God she delivered naturally.

The last week of her pregnancy, I was unable to leave her unattended for even one second of the day in case she delivered early. The one day I decided to go ahead and run to Walmart and leave her in the care of my teenage children.....Yep, she decided to give birth!!! I had to drive like a crazy person to get home to help because I wasn't even sure she would know what to do since this was her first litter.

Now since the baby almost died, I don't even get on this computer without asking my mother to drive to my house and baby sit while I make quick trips to town.

All this for 2 puppies that I still have to get vaccinated, wormed, and various other health checks before I can even attempt to think about selling one. That is if I manage to keep them alive long enough to sell them!!

So in a nutshell thats why they cost so much. Honestly I can't believe that they ever go for less that $1000.

oh thank you !!
 

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I wish every one that questions the price could read this - oh by the way - what is all your time worth ? You have to love it to do it - its not a get rich hobby.:thumbdown:thumbdown

I paid over 16,000 for my Chewy from a pet store... (Didn't know better at the time) he is 5 pounds at two years and so far very healthy thank God!

Sadie was 21,000 and she was from a great breeder that I would buy again from and highly recommend.

I couldn't ask for better babies... and as highly priced as they were, I wouldn't trade them for the world. Sadie has the best temperment and Chewy is my sweet boy... as nice as it would be to pay less, I would do it all over again. Of all the things to spend money on, my pets by far win hands down.

Ok please tell me that this was a miss print and you meant 1600 and 2100...If you spent 21 thousand dollars on a dog, I hope he came with one heck of a guarantee and a car to take him home in......

pet sotres???!???
 

In my area, pet stores sell yorkie pups for about $1800.00 to 2500.00 and up depending on the location of the store. I have even seen them as much as $4500.00 in an upscale area near me. These are poor quality, puppy mill yorkies who look tiny and darling at 6 weeks old, but usually turn out to be huge as adults if they live that long, and riddled with health problems for their entire miserable lives.
Sue & Cricket
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